MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[Deleted member 39678]

So far, all of the eye witness accounts that I have read leave me wondering if they are either lying or mistaken in what they saw. I don't usually give eye witness testimony (direct evidence) much weight in cases and this is another one.

Circumstantial evidence is much better IMO. I want to see the first autopsy report with the gun residue results from the deceased body and his clothes. Ballistic evidence and toxicology. Radio calls from dispatch. Cell phone evidence. Crime scene forensics. Hospital records of officer Wilson's alleged injuries.

All of that good circumstantial evidence that can show us what really happened. I don't think we will get that from eye witness accounts in this case. JMO.

 

[Lovejac]

So far, all of the eye witness accounts that I have read leave me wondering if they are either lying or mistaken in what they saw. I don't usually give eye witness testimony (direct evidence) much weight in cases and this is another one.

Circumstantial evidence is much better IMO. I want to see the first autopsy report with the gun residue results from the deceased body and his clothes. Ballistic evidence and toxicology. Radio calls from dispatch. Cell phone evidence. Crime scene forensics. Hospital records of officer Wilson's alleged injuries.

All of that good circumstantial evidence that can show us what really happened. I don't think we will get that from eye witness accounts in this case. JMO.

I agree Ranch. Those eyewitness accounts are all over the place.

 

[tlcya]

"Shoring" of entrance wounds can occur when firm material is pressed against the skin, such as when a victim is shot through a wooden, glass, or metal door while pressing against it to prevent entry of an assailant. A study by Dixon (1980) showed that such wounds have a greater wound diameter and demonstrate greater marginal abrasion than control wounds produced by the same weapons. The features were directly proportional to the KE of the projectile and the rigidity of the shoring material. Stellate radiating lacerations of some shored wounds could lead to misinterpretation of distant range of fire as a contact wound. (Denton et al, 2006)

SNIP

If the exit wound is "shored" or abutted by a firm support such as clothing, furniture, or building materials, then the exit wound may take on appearances of an entrance wound, such as a circular defect with an abraded margin. This can occur with contact, close range, or distant shots. 92% of shored exit wounds in one study had a round or ovoid defect, and all had some degree of abrasion. The degree of shoring abrasion increased directly with the KE of the projectile and the rigidity of the shoring material. (Dixon, 1981)

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNINJ.html

No way of knowing if this is a shoring wound that we are discussing on the hand or if it is an entry of exit one if it is shoring injury but either way if it is a shoring wound it does not line up with Baden's report that all shots were fired from a distance.

If it was a shoring wound it would be understandable because it would have occurred in the struggle at/in the car and the car door or frame may have been the hard object that caused it. In addition it would substantiate the several witnesses who stated MB was bleeding after the car "tussle".

I wish we knew if there were bullets holes in the door or frame of the vehicle.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

[h=1]Texas police chief killed during traffic stop[/h]
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/nati...ce-chief-killed-during-traffic-stop/14515849/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-critical-in-coma-after-california-gunfight/

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - A San Bernardino policeman remained in a medically induced coma Saturday after he was shot in the head by a man who was then killed by another officer in a shootout, police said.
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Garcia and his partner - a trainee on the job for just two months - stopped to talk to a group of people standing outside a home on a cul de sac when one of them pulled a gun and immediately opened fire, Burguan said earlier.

 

[bettybaby00]

I have no problem with a witness trying to remember the incident step by step. This reporter didn't ask him to do that. The reporter told the witness what happened, step by step, and then asked if that was correct. That's just not right IMO.

By the end the anchor recounted Tiffany's version of events, including hands in the air, and OW kept shooting. He then asked, "is that what you saw?"
Brady: I didn't see his hands in the air."
Anchor: well you used some different words, but I'd say you described the same thing"

All I could do was ask, "WTF?"

 

[bettybaby00]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-critical-in-coma-after-california-gunfight/

This is the type of risk they take countless times a day.

 

[liloleme]

This is killing me.. because.. Parks knows exactly what happened:

GRACE: ... let me hear what you`re saying. You`re saying that the gunshot wound to his right hand is at close range, although the autopsy is saying no shots at close range.

D. PARKS: Well, let me explain it like this. It`s a big gash.

GRACE: What?

D. PARKS: It`s a big gash, so as you hear more about it, it`s a big gash on his hand.

GRACE: So it`s not -- are you telling me it`s not a gunshot?

D. PARKS: Now, how that`s -- no, it is a gunshot wound caused by the gun, but a bullet, but it`s a rather large gash in his hand.

GRACE: Well, why do you say it`s at close range?

D. PARKS: Secondly -- well, it`s pretty big and it`s pretty open.

GRACE: That doesn`t mean close range.

D. PARKS: Now, how and when it happened, I`ll leave that to the experts.

Next week we'll find out where the bullet hole is in the car and then he'll say, "well, just because they were fighting over the gun, doesn't mean he should be EXECUTED. MB walked away after they fought for the gun. He learned his lesson. He was willing to call a truce. He was UNARMED. He was walking away."

I am so baffled that they are actually even considering charges on OW. That is just pure insanity.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/ng.01.html

 

[SStarr33]

Time MB remained exposed to public view? Disrespect?

DJ said MB remained on the street for 3 to 4 hours, that it was disrespectful to him, fam, & community.
Ditto some MSM articles and comments. Ditto, some here.

This article is first time I've seen the times of cover & screening.
Examination of MB by paramedic on the street was around 12:10
".... [paramedic's] supervisor, Chris Cebollero, the chief of emergency medical services at Christian Hospital. He estimated that it had been around 12:15 when a sheet was retrieved from an ambulance and used to cover Mr. Brown...."
"... A white sheet was draped over Mr. Brown’s body, but his feet remained exposed and blood could still be seen. The police later shielded the body with a low, six-panel orange partition typically used for car crashes...."

"....For about four hours, in the unrelenting summer sun, his body remained where he fell."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...NextInCollection&region=Footer&pgtype=article


If LE covers body w sheet, or puts up dividers/screens, they are hiding something, planting something, removing something.
Ditto if deceased is removed immediately.
If LE does not cover & screen, they are disrespectful.
DIT Do; DIT Don't.

Thanks for posting this. Crazy they had to stop their work because of gunfire.

 

[Frydaddy]

So, Brady, from inside his apartment can hear high pitched voices during the tussle, but Tiffany Mitchell hears nothing standing right by them? Again, not sure any of these witnesses saw the shooting. I question whether there were any cars on that street, but if there were, they had to be occupied, meaning there are witnesses who saw the event. If the cars were parked in the street, unoccupied, where did they go?

 

[popsicle]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 23s
#Ferguson group of protesters gathered at Red's BBQ attracting police attention chanting "Unite, convict, send those killer cops to jail"

 

[Deleted member 39678]

"Shoring" of entrance wounds can occur when firm material is pressed against the skin, such as when a victim is shot through a wooden, glass, or metal door while pressing against it to prevent entry of an assailant. A study by Dixon (1980) showed that such wounds have a greater wound diameter and demonstrate greater marginal abrasion than control wounds produced by the same weapons. The features were directly proportional to the KE of the projectile and the rigidity of the shoring material. Stellate radiating lacerations of some shored wounds could lead to misinterpretation of distant range of fire as a contact wound. (Denton et al, 2006)

SNIP

If the exit wound is "shored" or abutted by a firm support such as clothing, furniture, or building materials, then the exit wound may take on appearances of an entrance wound, such as a circular defect with an abraded margin. This can occur with contact, close range, or distant shots. 92% of shored exit wounds in one study had a round or ovoid defect, and all had some degree of abrasion. The degree of shoring abrasion increased directly with the KE of the projectile and the rigidity of the shoring material. (Dixon, 1981)

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNINJ.html

No way of knowing if this is a shoring wound that we are discussing on the hand or if it is an entry of exit one if it is shoring injury but either way if it is a shoring wound it does not line up with Baden's report that all shots were fired from a distance.

If it was a shoring wound it would be understandable because it would have occurred in the struggle at/in the car and the car door or frame may have been the hard object that caused it. In addition it would substantiate the several witnesses who stated MB was bleeding after the car "tussle".

I wish we knew if there were bullets holes in the door or frame of the vehicle.

I would like to know what kind of gun officer Wilson used and it's ammunition. A 9mm Luger doesn't have the same "stopping" power as a .40 S&W or a .45 ACP. Did this play a role in this case? What kind of bullets does the Ferguson PD use in their ammunition? Hollow points or more frangible bullets?

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Does it? I remember someone saying that before, but I wasn't sure if it was true. Additionally, why on earth would Baden leave that out? I mean, wouldn't he want as many bullet holes as possible in MB? (No disrespect intended, but.. he's not what I would call an impartial third-party!)

I agree. Maybe his defense attorney wife's attitude/conclusions have rubbed off on him.

 

[SStarr33]

So, Brady, from inside his apartment can hear high pitched voices during the tussle, but Tiffany Mitchell hears standing right by them? Again, not sure any of these witnesses saw the shooting. I question whether there were any cars on that street, but if there were, they had to be occupied, meaning there are witnesses who saw the event. If the cars were parked in the street, unoccupied, where did they go?

Brady can hear high pitched voices, but cannot hear a gunshot. Weird

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 23s
#Ferguson group of protesters gathered at Red's BBQ attracting police attention chanting "Unite, convict, send those killer cops to jail"

Sounds like they want vigilante justice.

 

[bettybaby00]

Don't forget judge Jeannine on again @ 12EST

 

[bettybaby00]

This is killing me.. because.. Parks knows exactly what happened:

GRACE: ... let me hear what you`re saying. You`re saying that the gunshot wound to his right hand is at close range, although the autopsy is saying no shots at close range.

D. PARKS: Well, let me explain it like this. It`s a big gash.

GRACE: What?

D. PARKS: It`s a big gash, so as you hear more about it, it`s a big gash on his hand.

GRACE: So it`s not -- are you telling me it`s not a gunshot?

D. PARKS: Now, how that`s -- no, it is a gunshot wound caused by the gun, but a bullet, but it`s a rather large gash in his hand.

GRACE: Well, why do you say it`s at close range?

D. PARKS: Secondly -- well, it`s pretty big and it`s pretty open.

GRACE: That doesn`t mean close range.

D. PARKS: Now, how and when it happened, I`ll leave that to the experts.

Next week we'll find out where the bullet hole is in the car and then he'll say, "well, just because they were fighting over the gun, doesn't mean he should be EXECUTED. MB walked away after they fought for the gun. He learned his lesson. He was willing to call a truce. He was UNARMED. He was walking away."

I am so baffled that they are actually even considering charges on OW. That is just pure insanity.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/ng.01.html

It seems that rumor about DJ changing his story may be true.

They know what he officially told LEO, and I'm beginning to believe it's pretty different that what he was saying to all the media outlets.

 

[Lovejac]

Sounds like they want vigilante justice.

Bingo

 

[popsicle]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 2m
#Ferguson group of protesters moved up the street police watching them closely, one lane traffic NB W Florissant blocked by cops

 

[liloleme]

Ahh, it all makes sense now. You know, when that autopsy report came out, I kept wondering why that hand wound looked so odd- that was a really long wound for the hand, but you know, bullets can do weird things and all so I dismissed it.

Do y'all notice how they kept our attention away from the hand, continually? They kept speaking of the arm ONLY. They started a debate about the "possibility" of the "first shot" in the arm being from behind. They knew it wasn't from behind- they wanted to detract from speaking about the hand. Let's forget about the scuffle at the car for a minute... wouldn't the FIRST SHOT have been the hand according to the pattern of shots on the autopsy??? They are claiming the first shot was in the forearm, which made MB jump and turn around. So, OW shot him from behind, made MB jump, MB turned around and at what point did OW shoot his hand? Before or after he started shooting back up the body? DID NOT HAPPEN. DID NOT HAPPEN!!

They threw us off from what really happened. They told us the first shot was the forearm. That was true in the context of the series of shots after the struggle at the car. BUT, the first true shot happened at close range, inside the car, when MB was fighting for OW's gun.

They didn't speak of the hand wound because they knew it wasn't consistent with any of the other wounds and they couldn't explain why it was at such close range when all of the others weren't, including the ones to the head.

WTG. Bravo. Well done. I mean it. Fantastic job at throwing us off and stopping us from asking the questions we really should have been asking. :clap:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Don't forget judge Jeannine on again @ 12EST

Is it the same one?
I'm 15 minutes in...


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