MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[Linda7NJ]

Falling is equivalent to advancing on an officer? <modsnip>

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Please do not misconstrue what I've said here repeatedly.


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[krimekat]

My post was ignored yet again. :sigh:

It gets kind of frustrating when certain points are harped on over and over again and the posts that are trying to answer those 'harps' get ignored.

Maybe the real laws and facts of this case aren't interesting enough. :dunno:

man, I want to see that post! Please bump it!!!!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

StL isn't Philly & walking in the middle of a thoroughfare into an apt complex on Saturday Noon is not wise! Especially when there is not only a sidewalk but a bike/jogger track . . . total lack of respect for LE IMHO -- kids need to be taught to respect authority! Question it, but respect it - I feel for MB & all the other MBs who are struggling today

It's up to YOU to get out of the madness - and strangling a little shop clerk ain't the way! Even for cigars . . .

He was not strangled.. He was shoved.
What we do know is that walking in the street was not so important to DW or there was nothing that happened in that first interaction that caused any concern for DW to stop and address it. So it had to be innocuous. I think that DJ made more of that to make it look like DW was aggressive from the beginning but that does not fit with even his account of DW moving on.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I posted this to you yesterday and once again I will post the same:

Could you kindly provide a link to the distance between Officer Wilson and Mike during the actual shooting?

Have you read the links on the law regarding what LE can do to a fleeing felon who is a danger to LE or the public?

Have you read the actual laws wrt assault on a police officer and what they are allowed or required to legally do?

Bump...


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[DebinGA]

Dorian Johnson made that statement (perhaps he has gone to prep school?). Watch the video of his statement, he also states MB was being polite to Officer Wilson and then the officer shot him 7 times in the head.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/13/dorian-johnson-michael-brown-eyewitness/13986845/

I settled down to watch this. First the reporterette very gravely says that DJ will be "telling his story to the Feds tomorrow but we'll be hearing it tonight" ... then DJ appears and the first thing out of his mouth? "It was around 1:30 or 2 o'clock." Uh, no it wasn't.

 

[liloleme]

JMO There is always the possibility that MB tried to deflect the weapon by pushing it away..........dunno.....we need forensics.........but that could explain the "gash" or "graze" wound in his right hand....again, forensics, please. JMO

Doesn't matter. Can't touch an officer's gun. That's grounds for being shot. Rightfully so. If you are going for an officer's gun and you are pushing it away or whatever, there's NO WAY for the officer to no WHAT your intentions are- to grab it, to whatever. The presumption would be that you have no good intentions (this would be a logical presumption). You will be shot. And you should be.

*IF* MB felt threatened (unlikely), his course should not have been to push the gun away. His course should have been to comply. Period. End of story.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I settled down to watch this. First the reporterette very gravely says that DJ will be "telling his story to the Feds tomorrow but we'll be hearing it tonight" ... then DJ appears and the first thing out of his mouth? "It was around 1:30 or 2 o'clock." Uh, no it wasn't.

I think DJ was scared witless.
I think DJ and the gospel truth are complete strangers.
He seems to be embellishing to please those around him...
IMO those around him are vultures without HIS best interest or safety in mind.

All IMO


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[krimekat]

Does that mean we cannot disagree or have a viewpoint different from the majority of posters? That does not seem fair.


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please disagree but prove what you're opining & don't get upset when you are disproved; I love when my mind is set on something & then BAM! I see the light

but facts are facts -- we'll see all of them soon

 

[cady]

Forensics has lead to the CSI Effect and seems to have replaced good old common sense.

Understanding what forensics can and can't do...and it's limitations ....would require the reintroduction of logic and common sense...

All IMO


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CSI is fiction. Personally I do not watch or red fiction. But I agree with you. Forensics analysis requires EXPERTS without agendas. Science, logic, common sense. Agree

 

[jmcgladr]

I posted this to you yesterday and once again I will post the same:

Could you kindly provide a link to the distance between Officer Wilson and Mike during the actual shooting?

Have you read the links on the law regarding what LE can do to a fleeing felon who is a danger to LE or the public?

Have you read the actual laws wrt assault on a police officer and what they are allowed or required to legally do?

OK fine, there are no links that I have seen that show the exact distance between MB and OW. Maybe they exist, but I don't have all day to look. It was not at point blank range. Autopsy and crime scene pictures seem to indicate that. MB was not in the process of disarming OW when he was shot. He was not close enough to do so when the fatal shots were made. Those are the points that matter to me. Actual laws can be misguided and wrong. They can also be misinterpreted. They can also be ignored.


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[Sonya610]

*IF* MB felt threatened (unlikely), his course should not have been to push the gun away. His course should have been to comply. Period. End of story.

If the officer's gun was a threat, i.e. drawn, there wouldn't have been a struggle.

 

[al66pine]

From ~12 hrs ago:

Originally Posted by al66pine Hey, Snoop,
Ppl who own cars, trucks, motor vehicles are on StLCo 'personal property tax rolls'
so would be a larger component/percentage of StLCo pop, than ppl who own real est.
IIRC, since St.L Co uses personal property tax rolls and other lists/sources for jury selection,
it is more 'inclusive' than jurisdictions using only real property (land ownership) rolls.
Therefore, jury pool would include more candidates, than if using only real est owners, imo.
JMO IMO MOO

So people who don't own a home or car can't serve on a jury in St.L Co?
What about all of the people who rent and use public transportation?

Sorry for late answer to this post. Short answer:
No. StLCo residents who are non-car-owners & non-real property/land owners can be called for juries,
if they are registered voters or one of the other of the several sources StLCo uses for jury pool.

Long answer:
IIUC, StLCo uses voter rolls & other sources, including personal property tax rolls
(ppl are on pers prop tax rolls, bc they own a car, truck, motor vehicles, etc.)
My post copied above was originally was to answer question about who w/be on pers prop rolls.
Do we all remember or remember reading in history books about years back,
when some states only allowed real property/land owners to vote & serve on juries -
--meaning ppl of color and/or 'poor ppl' could not vote or serve on juries?

My point: when jury pool lists include multiple sources, including pers prop tax rolls,
we end up w more diverse juries than in 'olden days' w jury pool lists included only real property/land owners only.

 

[Trident]

What about being hit on the top of the head while falling? It's a perfectly logical explanation. I am not a forensic examiner, but the pattern of gun shots, to me, matches the pattern that someone falling while being shot at repeatedly would have.


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And how many patterns of that have you seen close up and personal?

 

[liloleme]

Right. He was being pursued because he assaulted an officer and they struggled over a gun, with a shot fired.

If it is shown that the gun went off in the car, and there is blood from MB in the car, then what?

Parks has admitted that the gun went off in the car- August 18th on Nancy Grace:

"PARKS: But also, for example, one of the other injuries you don`t pick up quite so much on anatomical, is just a cut mark on his arm as well.

The reason the first autopsy becomes kind of important, is once you take all of the evidence into perspective, that cut mark plus the other injuries

to Michael`s hand plus whatever injuries to the officer, then you can start explaining what may have happened in the car. For example, we don`t know,

when the gun went off inside the car, did it hit Michael or not, where it landed, where it ended up. "



http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/ng.01.html

No more, "if it went off in the car". It did. He just doesn't know at what POINT that it did and if it hit MB or where it landed.

 

[krimekat]

If it makes you feel any better most of the folks showing an out pour of support including financial support for Officer Wilson aren't police officers.

but they are out in full force South City StL -- black, white & brown!

Supporting LE & what they deal with every single day

 

[jmcgladr]

And how many patterns of that have you seen close up and personal?

None. You? Didn't think that was necessary in order to post here.


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[JLSChook]

OK fine, there are no links that I have seen that show the exact distance between MB and OW. Maybe they exist, but I don't have all day to look. It was not at point blank range. Autopsy and crime scene pictures seem to indicate that. MB was not in the process of disarming OW when he was shot. He was not close enough to do so when the fatal shots were made. Those are the points that matter to me. Actual laws can be misguided and wrong. They can also be misinterpreted. They can also be ignored.


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Oh wow, okay thanks. Can't say I didn't try.

:seeya:

 

[gngr~snap]

Oh gee.
In TX a supposedly mentally ill guy just shot and killed a police chief.
Being mentally ill doesn't make someone harmless, it's the opposite.

https://m.facebook.com/trueblueleonews?_rdr

After spending a little time reading recent accounts of officer involved shootings I am shocked. No wonder LE don't play!!!
One of the officers in Adairsville GA, just north of me, committed suicide in his unmarked cruiser Friday. Left two boys, a toddler and a baby, and his wife behind.
Turns out there were 6 officer suicides last week in the US.
Scary imo

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[krimekat]

From ~12 hrs ago:

Originally Posted by al66pine Hey, Snoop,
Ppl who own cars, trucks, motor vehicles are on StLCo 'personal property tax rolls'
so would be a larger component/percentage of StLCo pop, than ppl who own real est.
IIRC, since St.L Co uses personal property tax rolls and other lists/sources for jury selection,
it is more 'inclusive' than jurisdictions using only real property (land ownership) rolls.
Therefore, jury pool would include more candidates, than if using only real est owners, imo.
JMO IMO MOO



Sorry for late answer to this post. Short answer:
No. StLCo residents who are non-car-owners & non-real property/land owners can be called for juries,
if they are registered voters or one of the other of the several sources StLCo uses for jury pool.

Long answer:
IIUC, StLCo uses voter rolls & other sources, including personal property tax rolls
(ppl are on pers prop tax rolls, bc they own a car, truck, motor vehicles, etc.)
My post copied above was originally was to answer question about who w/be on pers prop rolls.
Do we all remember or remember reading in history books about years back,
when some states only allowed real property/land owners to vote & serve on juries -
--meaning ppl of color and/or 'poor ppl' could not vote or serve on juries?

My point: when jury pool lists include multiple sources, including pers prop tax rolls,
we end up w more diverse juries than in 'olden days' w jury pool lists included only real property/land owners only.

yeah, 'cause we all try to "skirt" property taxes in MO LOL

I lived in the County & had a vehicle registered in IL (my father's farm) & still was called for jury duty in the County (not GJ) -- I totally registered to vote & got a library card in Chesterfield, MO though! Awesome suburb in the County!

 

[JLSChook]

KrimeKat:

I read that there was supposed to be another rally to support Officer Wilson today. I think they will have another presser at 3PM (CST?). Have you heard anything about it?

ETA--I guess MSM can't be bothered with these rallies because they aren't violent or provocative enough. :facepalm: