MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[jmcgladr]

Ugh, why are we even discussing whatever the video chatter was saying? It's completely irrelevant to the case.

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Also, that hole is not a bullet hole. Bullet holes are tiny.

Agree with the part about the video chatter. But don't bullet holes vary in size in relation to the gun and ammo used, and the substance hit, and distance, and velocity, and possibly other factors? I am no gun expert, but I don't think we can rule that out as a bullet hole. And I don't know why the apartment resident would lie and say it is, if it is not.

 

[CARIIS]

OR... we may find out he had gotten caught often if thee is any juvi record . But at some level does not seem to smart to strong arm and stroll down the street with your merch in view - just seems rather defiant IMO Just think if they walked on the sidewalk chances are none of this would have happened imo

Translation: He robbed stores, but was never caught.

 

[oh_gal]

I would have to watch the video again, because that is not my recollection of events. IIRC, MB had not actually left the store when the store clerk attempted to stop him, at which point he pushed the clerk away. Which seems like a natural reaction a thief would have, if someone was trying to prevent him from leaving the store after a robbery. Especially if the clerk was half his size, is unarmed, and he thought he could easily overpower him.

Not saying the stealing was right, nor the assault, but pushing away the store clerk seems logical under the circumstances. Running towards a hail of bullets directed at you does not. I believe military service members need to be trained to overcome the natural flight response when under fire.

(ETA: I just went back and re-watched the surveillance video, and MB did not leave the store and come back in to assault the clerk.)

Could there be more than one video (perhaps one was edited/shortened)? Because I clearly recall him reentering the store from the video I saw.

 

[Frydaddy]

Yup. You amazing GS

ETA, if that is OWs truck, then that angle would indicate there was quite a struggle for the gun.

It is not Wilson's truck...second responders truck.

 

[jmcgladr]

IDK -- just my opinion but I would think a parent might look for boyscouts, a teacher, a religous leader, a big brother , group therapy etc to mentor a child IMO

I dont know :


Lesley McSpadden, Mr. Brown’s mother, says she relied on family and friends, including a retired juvenile officer, to help mentor her son. Credit Richard Perry/The New York Times I am just relaying what the NY Times reports

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...ast-weeks-grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html


A PS here : posted a few back It is legal for mom to say he did have a criminal record if the records are sealed. so it was interesting that in this article it was stated as

he did not have a criminal record as an adult.

as an adult is an intersting qualifier to add to the sentence IMO (Similiar to going to "college") IMO

is that a strange way to word it - as opposed he had no criminal record. Legally (statues posted a few back ) legally if juvo i records are sealed it is legal to say no criminal record on job applications etc



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...ast-weeks-grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html

Why? What's wrong with a retired juvenile officer who is also a friend being a mentor?

 

[SStarr33]

Just watched the video. He stated the public has not heard OW's account with his own voice, simply a third party account. He did so in response to specific questions about whether he had heard anything about OW's account of events that day.

JMO but I don't need to stretch that far to find ways to impeach this man's credibility.

Bringing the video forward. At around 5 minutes he said "we never heard his voice".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbyGwbcyOWs

 

[CARIIS]

Me too do we know how many went in? like was it a protest thing!

Goodness that is kinda scary ie if justice is not served.........................

I really wish one of these reporters would ask them why they went into the court house.

What purpose did it serve? What did they do when they got in there? Why did they want to go in there?

 

[oh_gal]

Because to deny the humor, would be illogical.... (sorry...don't hate me...it was there and I just had to!)

If the gunshots are on the up and up (and this isn't some doctored up thing), I kind of feel sorry for the video chatter...I mean, here he is, minding his own business, talking (rather sweetly, at that), to this love interest of his....and now his love life is lying open, for all to see...

 

[Oceans]

These logs?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/08...-in-Michael-Brown-shooting-provides-new-video

All posts are MOO

It seems that shot could not have gone into that window frame while ODW was shooting at MB. It's a completely different angle. JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

I just deleted it did not mean for it to sound that way !

Why? What's wrong with a retired juvenile officer who is also a friend being a mentor?

 

[Lovejac]

KMOX St. Louis News ‏@kmoxnews 2m
Protestors gather downtown to call for a civilian review board of police after 'overly aggressive' #Ferguson response http://cbsloc.al/1sxbck2

Well, now we know :facepalm:

 

[SStarr33]

Can we get a quick recap *flowers*

Check post 1227

 

[SStarr33]

It is not Wilson's truck...second responders truck.

Actually, now that I think about it seems to be a crazy angle either way.

 

[jmcgladr]

Could there be more than one video (perhaps one was edited/shortened)? Because I clearly recall him reentering the store from the video I saw.

There may be, but I would assume they would all show the same thing because he either stepped out of the store or he didn't. I watched the video in the media thread. It seemed identical to videos of the event I had seen before.

ETA: I just watched it one more time, from a different source. He pushes the door open after the assault on the store clerk, but does not step out of the store, then he turns back and intimidates (does not re-assault) the store clerk. Then he leaves.

 

[CoolJ]

There is none, because he wasn't shot in the back

There has been numerous eye witness statements saying he was shot in the back. Do we really have to keep re posting them? Not only that but, and I will explain this again.... The fact that the ME said he was shot in the front of his body does not rule out the fact that he could have been shot from behind. The ME was speaking in terms of the anatomical position... Which, when it comes to the arms, face BEHIND a person. Please don't give me another time out for stating this, I just want to have a discussion, I respect everyone's opinion, but please consider what I am saying here... I am not saying officer Wilson is guilty of anything because I do not know, I am just saying the ME's report needs can be interpreted in a number of ways.

 

[TheDuchess]

If the gunshots are on the up and up (and this isn't some doctored up thing), I kind of feel sorry for the video chatter...I mean, here he is, minding his own business, talking (rather sweetly, at that), to this love interest of his....and now his love life is lying open, for all to see...

You know what? I totally and respectfully disagree. The chatter turned his audio over to the FBI, which is great and fantastic. There was absolutely NO NEED for him, through is attorney, to turn it over to CNN.

 

[CoolJ]

Thanks for agreeing with me, but why would you think he was falling from the wound or wounds to his arm rather than being shot while bent over per the Mike Brady statement?

I don't necessarily think this, just stating that it is a possibility.

 

[Oceans]

This picture right here drives home the fact that anyone, including a toddler playing in their front lawn, could have caught one of these bullets. Does the environment you are in not play a role in whether to discharge your weapon?

What if MB caused the gun to get off while he was struggling to grab it from ODW?

 

[tlcya]

Bringing the video forward. At around 5 minutes he said "we never heard his voice".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbyGwbcyOWs

Yes, I heard him say that. And further I heard him say it in response to a question about whether he had heard what OW's alleged account of events was.

He was not speaking to the day of the shooting and the interactions between he, MB and OW. He was very clearly speaking about how we have heard third party accounts (Josie/Jill and police officials) of what OW says went down. But "we" (as in the world, the public, etc) have heard nothing from OW himself "in his voice" as to what happened that day.

You can choose to believe what you want. But it is very clear to me that the young man was not saying he and MB never heard OW speak on the day of the shooting. There is plenty wrong with this young man's story. THIS is not one of them. THIS isn't even part of his story about that day.

CAPS for emphasis.

 

[William N]

Translation: He robbed stores, but was never caught.

IMO MB could rob convenience stores frequently without being arrested in a town like Ferguson.