MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[LambChop]

LambChop, I noticed that you snipped the link from K_Z's post re: lawsuit to obtain MB's juvie record. (citing something about a donation site?)

I clicked on her link and it was the actual court docs that were filed. I didn't see anything about donations. Am I blind? Trust me, it's possible. :giggle:

When you clicked the arrow for more it comes up as asking for a donation. If the court document could be found on another site that would be okay.

 

[TheDuchess]

I have a hard time believing the "charging" story too, but it is the only way OW can explain shooting him through the top of the head. From all eyewitnesses on the scene, he was crumbling and falling forward for the last few shots.
As soon as the tox screen came out, so did the crazy charging bull story. Except *everyone knows* pot has the opposite effect, so they are grasping at straws trying to make the victim of this shooting acting like a maniac.

So are you saying that you honestly believe that this police officer, with not one single complaint ever filed against him, decided to shoot an unarmed teenager dead while he was surrendering with his hands in the air begging for mercy? Not judging. I just want to make sure that I've got your side of it correct.

 

[oh_gal]

Spike Lee was there? I wonder if he's going to do a movie.

And did I miss some info? It doesn't say who said it but I read something about MB spreading the word of Jesus Christ the day he was killed

(above, bbm)
If true, he must have been terribly conflicted in life.

 

[CoolJ]

But what do you mean, "advancing" football-style from 35 feet away? Football tackle is when two people are right next to each other! To put your head down to "charge," lineman/football style, means that your intended target is close to you. At least to me. I've never heard of someone putting their head down, then running 35 ft, then tackling a guy. Usually, you run, and then you put your head down when you're almost to your target.

JMO.

To put his head down to "charge," would mean that OW ran up close to him after MB had retreated. That makes no sense. Why would OW run towards the danger?

I agree, MB was shot in the top of the head, this means he was shot as he was falling down, unless it is found this bullet entered at a distance of a few feet.

 

[oh_gal]

I have a hard time believing the "charging" story too, but it is the only way OW can explain shooting him through the top of the head. From all eyewitnesses on the scene, he was crumbling and falling forward for the last few shots.
As soon as the tox screen came out, so did the crazy charging bull story. Except *everyone knows* pot has the opposite effect, so they are grasping at straws trying to make the victim of this shooting acting like a maniac.

After seeing the way the store clerk was tossed around like a chew toy, I have absolutely no problem entertaining the "charging" theory.

 

[gngr~snap]

Before I go... Foxfire, gngr, or any others who've been analyzing the car locations...

I'm still curious about the movement of the suv as seen at the beginning of the Brady video.

Was it Wilson's, and how does it influence our cones, measurements, etc.?

Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems important....?

I need a link to the Brady video.
Video was taken from both sides of the street. Several police SUVs are parked on both ends. I think that this video is where OW vehicle is. Still not sure.
All I do know is it's not a vehicle on the end where MB's feet are pointing.

Mike Brown EyeWitness Crime Scene Video Ferguson,…: http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM

I am not sure if this vehicle was moved or if it was another one. I do know some were parked to run the police tape across the street...

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[CHERIE.T]

It would seriously dissuade anyone from wanting to become a police officer. I think the police should pull out of Ferguson and let the residents there see how well that works.

I wholeheartedly agree.
Remove all LE and see what happens in that town.

 

[JLSChook]

When you clicked the arrow for more it comes up as asking for a donation. If the court document could be found on another site that would be okay.

Oh, I see thanks. I didn't click the 'read more' thingy. I just scrolled down and read the court docs. The actual site is a hosting site for documents and such I think.

I would download it and upload it elsewhere but I don't know how to do that from there.

 

[Truthy]

Please provide us a link that MB was shot in the back.

There are two graze wounds - on the hand, and on his inner arm- that the 2nd autopsy results said were impossible to tell the direction of the body was in when shot. This was in CNN, NYT, everywhere after the press conference.
Further, the inner arm was said to be either a graze wound from behind if his arms were arms down, but more likely from the front if his hands were raised. You have to look at it and think about it the motion of the arms for it to make sense, but it totally does. I can find you a link, but I don't think you'll have trouble finding it? Let me know and I will post one, but I saw it here too a week ago!

What I was saying about the shots also is- it's as the witnesses on the ground reported it- shooting, a pause with turn around, more shooting.
It pretty much fits their story that shooting occurred while he was running away, as well as after he turned around. I know I saw a lot of scuttlebutt trying to claim there was no shooting from behind, but it looks like there's a lot of evidence there was. JMHO.

 

[Peliman]

What are they protesting now?

The sun came up.

 

[CoolJ]

I think it supports the Mike Brady account that MB was hit in the arm as he ran & he turned around clutching his are to face OW & was shot again. Brady says MB took a couple of steps forward.

I agree. I think this new evidence does not rule out and may even rule in the fact that MB was shot while running away. MB then turned to see why the hell he was being shot at and then ate a few more bullets, the last two to his head as he was falling. IMO, JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Did they say what took him so long to come forward with this so-called bombshell?

Last night the lawyer said they called investigators 2 days after shooting (Monday ) they had to keep calling to get someone to come talk to them.
No idea what took the FBI so long to take the statement and video.

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[SStarr33]

I need a link to the Brady video.
Video was taken from both sides of the street. Several police SUVs are parked on both ends. I think that this video is where OW vehicle is. Still not sure.
All I do know is it's not a vehicle on the end where MB's feet are pointing.

Mike Brown EyeWitness Crime Scene Video Ferguson,…: http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM

I am not sure if this vehicle was moved or if it was another one. I do know some were parked to run the police tape across the street...

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I put all of the witness video on the media thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...el-Brown-*Media-Timelines-Maps*-No-Discussion

 

[branwynbreeze]

Re:shots
Even if we speculate OW emptied his clip the fact remains that only 6 hit their target with kill shot last. MB was a large target yet none where in his back, all front shots. So, was OW a really bad shot, attempting to wound or was he incapacitated due to injury?

 

[CARIIS]

He did. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...el-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

Yes, I agree.

 

[Truthy]

I wholeheartedly agree.
Remove all LE and see what happens in that town.

They'll go broke. They get more than 2/3 of their income from fines and court penalties!
I can provide a link for that later, if you'd like?

 

[Dana]

But what do you mean, "advancing" football-style from 35 feet away? Football tackle is when two people are right next to each other! To put your head down to "charge," lineman/football style, means that your intended target is close to you. At least to me. I've never heard of someone putting their head down, then running 35 ft, then tackling a guy. Usually, you run, and then you put your head down when you're almost to your target.

JMO.

To put his head down to "charge," would mean that OW ran up close to him after MB had retreated. That makes no sense. Why would OW run towards the danger?

I've seen this opinion in a few posts from different posters, so forgive me aa9951 for jumping off your post......

BBM
How did we all arrive at MB's body at 35 feet away? Did I miss something? 35 feet away from what? Where was OW while this shooting was taking place? Was OW in his car shooting? Was OW just standing there shooting? Was OW pursuing MB? Exactly how close/far was OW from MB while the shots are being fired? I honestly can't conclude where OW was in relation to MB's body on the ground. I could probably, with a bit of math, figure out where the car was but not OW.

-all MOO and stuff

 

[TheDuchess]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/

I just ran across this very insightful article. I personally feel that every person in America needs to read it. While YES - we all have rights, but when confronting an (armed) officer of the law, it is always wise to refrain from being confrontational.

From the article: (I'm a Cop - If you Don't Want to Get Hurt Don't Challenge Me)

"Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me."

 

[DebinGA]

He did. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...el-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

12:01 p.m. – The officer encounters Michael Brown and a friend as they walk down a street. Brown is shot to death as a result of the encounter.

Talk about leaving out some vital info, USA Today ....

 

[aa9511]

I have a hard time believing the "charging" story too, but it is the only way OW can explain shooting him through the top of the head. From all eyewitnesses on the scene, he was crumbling and falling forward for the last few shots.
As soon as the tox screen came out, so did the crazy charging bull story. Except *everyone knows* pot has the opposite effect, so they are grasping at straws trying to make the victim of this shooting acting like a maniac.

Yes, I agree.

The charging story does not make sense because:

1. We know that OW fired about 6 shots, then pause, then 4 shots. The shot to the head would have been in the end set of shots, because it would have IMO immediately incapacitated MB. So that means that at least 2 shots were already in MB by the time he got to his end resting place. So with 2 shots already in your body and well aware that the police officer is shooting at you, it makes no sense to turn around and go back towards the person who has shot you. I agree about the pot inferences being brought up in order to explain this very irrational behavior. And I believe this behavior also goes against the very human instinct to fight or flight, which MB had already chosen flight.

2. We do not know what OW's movements were. Did he come closer to MB? Or did he stay in his orginal position once he got out of the car, and shot from there? To be in a "charge" stance, it would mean the target (OW) was close to MB, so that he would get in "charge" position, football-style. So either this means that MB did not really charge, or it means that OW got close to him, so close that MB got into "charge" position. Never mind that MB IMO wouldn't charge in the first place, knowing OW was shooting bullets at him. Anyway, but point is that for "charging," there has to be 2 peole close to each other. If OW came up close to him (for MB to "charge"), that means that OW was pursuing MB as MB was running away from him. IMO, this could cause major problems for OW.

JMO.