MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[Lovejac]

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Eli Rosenberg ‏@EliKMBC 2m
"Let us in!" Eight protesters let into the federal courthouse in downtown #STL. #Ferguson #MikeBrown
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:waitasec: Let them in for what?

Do they have a court case?

 

[DebinGA]

St Louis County PD Chief Jon Belmar's press conference the day after the shooting:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...olice-news-conference-michael-brown/13860601/

"The entire scene is about 35' " [around 6:20ish in vid]

 

[aa9511]

If it is found out that Wilson killed MB because MB was "mocking" him (as said by anonymous radio show caller, which is being taken as a credible source here lol), then Wilson is going to jail.
IMO, MOO, JMO

bbm

I think that so far OW is doing the smartest thing possible for him, which is staying quiet and making everyone around him stay quiet. I would bet that this is the advice the union lawyers or whoever lawyers are advising him are telling him.

We, as the general public, can't be sure of anything at this point because we're missing his whole side of the story or even bits of his side of the story. And IMO, that favors him and I think he will stay quiet until he has to step into a courtroom, should that day come.

 

[reedus23]

:waitasec: Let them in for what?

Do they have a court case?

Don't know for what. You don't need to have a court case to enter the federal court building though.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Federal investigators continue probe into Brown shooting[/h]
To build a case, the Justice Department would need to establish that officer Darren Wilson not only acted with excessive force but also willfully violated Brown’s constitutional rights – a standard experts say is difficult to meet and is complicated by the fact that officers are given latitude in their use of force.

http://www.ktrs.com/federal-investigators-continue-probe-into-brown-shooting/

 

[Kimster]

Members: please alert posts that you feel are against WS rules. We'll take care of it behind the scenes. You guys discuss the case and not each other. :tyou:

Friendly reminder.

 

[Peliman]

We don't know how far away he was. That's the point. If you don't know how far away he was then you can't ASSUME MB was in some linebacker mode... Because if MB was 35 feet away, or 30 feet, or 20 feet or 10 feet even... It doesn't make sense that he would be making like a linebacker. In fact it doesn't make sense that he would charge officer Wilson AT ALL unless he was suicidal... I have seen nothing yet to show us he was at all suicidal.

I wouldn't say he was suicidal but what does the bullet to the top of his head tell you?

 

[TheDuchess]

Yes, and if you read much outside of here, I am one of many thousands who thinks it is very possible. Things like this have happened before.

I grew up with cops, and many were fine, but.......some people are hot headed, and can't handle the job. I have a cousin that had the worst temprement for it- loved to intimidate people for kicks, bad temper. Got in a lot of "scapes" but never was written up once.

The adrenaline that shoots through you after firing a weapon can make you absolutely manic. My brother was a union delegate for almost 30 years and saw both sides of this, many cops were accused of things they did not do, but quite a few abused their power too. Too many drank and appeared to abuse cocaine or steroids. It would take quite a bit of questionable behavior before any cop lost the benefit of the doubt from their fellow officers. It's just how they do, protecting their own.

But OW had no complaints filed against him in the past. I would imagine if he fit the "type" that you mention here, there would be several, particularly if he was a hot-headed, roided up drug addict as what you describe. We don't know that, and a safe assumption based upon past history of the officer, no complaints and at least one commendation that we know of, we would give him the benefit of the doubt and what is described in the original story of shooting an unarmed man begging for mercy - as it just wouldn't seem to fit with what little we know of OW. However, we have a video of just 10 minutes prior to the altercation of a young man using physical violence to rob a store, and the main eyewitness as his companion during that robbery as the one who began the narrative of "hands up don't shoot."

To me, an open-minded and non-biased individual would tend to side with the officer, unless additional evidence proved otherwise. I think ANYONE who is objectively looking at this case so far, should agree that the idea that OW literally shooting this man begging for mercy is a long-shot, at best and highly unlikely.

And yes - trust me - I read outside of here, but find that level-headed people tend to find their way here and find this to be a great place for lots of information backed up with links and insight by some amazingly intelligent posters.

 

[aa9511]

I wouldn't say he was suicidal but what does the bullet to the top of his head tell you?

We don't know (what bullet to top of head means), that's why we're discussing it.

 

[jmcgladr]

If it is found out that Wilson killed MB because MB was "mocking" him (as said by anonymous radio show caller, which is being taken as a credible source here lol), then Wilson is going to jail.
IMO, MOO, JMO

Agreed! Someone feeling "disrespected" is not adequate cause to shoot someone to death, even if that person feeling "disrespected" is a police officer.

 

[jmcgladr]

To me, it has always indicated that MB was falling, probably because of multiple gunshot wounds including another one to the head which was likely fatal.

(ETA, meant to hit "reply with quote" - that was in response to post #1107, about why there was a shot to the top of MB's head).

 

[Lovejac]

Yes, an orange barrier was erected. I posted a video on the media thread. Let me know if you can't find it.

Is that the one where you can hear people in the background complaining that they put the barrier up?

 

[Elley Mae]

But their proceedings will not be open to the public. And that doesn’t please Brown’s family.

“It’s about transparency,” family attorney Benjamin Crump said.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/26/whats-next-in-the-michael-brown-case/

What part of Grand Juries meet in secret does this Lawyer not get? Seriously I wish someone would "call him out" when he says this chit and the person talking/questioning him doesn't. Like their afraid to tell him he is ignorant to the fact. IDK Maybe I don't know. jmo idk

 

[TheDuchess]

Yes, the article gives good advice on how to live if you run into a bad cop. It touched on it briefly, but the brunt of the article didn't address how to rid our community of bad cops. Or at least limit their presence. Nor what changes can be made to hold them more accountable when they do decide to cross the line.

Well - it kind of does, as he references that there is a time and place to lodge formal complaints and a grievance process that exists. If the grievance process is unhelpful, well, that is a bigger fish to fry, I suppose. But I think the main point of the article, is that trying to fix the overall process when actually being confronted by a LEO is probably NOT the best idea if you don't want to get hurt.

 

[gngr~snap]

We don't know how far away he was. That's the point. If you don't know how far away he was then you can't ASSUME MB was in some linebacker mode... Because if MB was 35 feet away, or 30 feet, or 20 feet or 10 feet even... It doesn't make sense that he would be making like a linebacker. In fact it doesn't make sense that he would charge officer Wilson AT ALL unless he was suicidal... I have seen nothing yet to show us he was at all suicidal.

I think OW was in pursuit of MB. It's reported that MB was 35 ft from the vehicle. OW may have been 30 ft from it when the last shot rang out.
We have never heard from "eye witnesses" how close OW was to MB when he took the head shot. Not one reporter has asked either. If they did I missed it.
OW could have still been at the SUV. I don't know...

All posts are MOO

 

[K_Z]

Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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While reading that petition, I could just hear Nancy Grace saying 'Bombshell'.

I'm interested in seeing what happens. Thanks for posting it.

the juvenile record of Michael Brown.

Does this imply that there is a record that has not been released because it is sealed for juvi

Do lawyers file for a release if they do not know if one exists, or do they file cause they know there is a sealed one?

Like just to find out if there is one - or KNOW there is one and file to open it up?

LambChop, I noticed that you snipped the link from K_Z's post re: lawsuit to obtain MB's juvie record. (citing something about a donation site?)

I clicked on her link and it was the actual court docs that were filed. I didn't see anything about donations. Am I blind? Trust me, it's possible. :giggle:

I just want to say that I was completely unaware that the Scribd site I linked had a donation link on it, so I went back to look at it again. There was a button for "more" (meaning the intro was shortened) that I had not clicked on, which THEN shows a donation link. So I just want to be clear that I was not trying to link a donation site-- I was trying to post the actual filed court document. I downloaded the court document as a pdf file, but can't figure out how to post it using the tools in the post box. I emailed imamaze and attached the pdf document, and asked if she could help me figure out how to post it.

If anyone else knows how I can post ths pdf (13 pages), please let me know!

 

[Peliman]

We don't know (what bullet to top of head means), that's why we're discussing it.

I took it to mean one bullet struck him on the top of his head. What we don't know is if he put his head down or was charging the officer. What else can it be?

 

[CoolJ]

Can you provide me with the link to to what the anonymous caller is saying?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/

 

[reedus23]

To me, an open-minded and non-biased individual would tend to side with the officer, unless additional evidence proved otherwise. I think ANYONE who is objectively looking at this case so far, should agree that the idea that OW literally shooting this man begging for mercy is a long-shot, at best and highly unlikely.

RSBM - In fairness, an open-minded and non-biased person isn't going to tend to side with either side until all the facts are known. I mean, saying one is non-biased and saying they are already siding with the officer kind of conflict.

 

[popsicle]

But their proceedings will not be open to the public. And that doesn’t please Brown’s family.

“It’s about transparency,” family attorney Benjamin Crump said.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/26/whats-next-in-the-michael-brown-case/

What part of Grand Juries meet in secret does this Lawyer not get? Seriously I wish someone would "call him out" when he says this chit and the person talking/questioning him doesn't. Like their afraid to tell him he is ignorant to the fact. IDK Maybe I don't know. jmo idk

I just had my rx refilled... here's a :chillpill: