MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[reedus23]

He didnt fill out his incident report but that is routine in a shooting incident which might be problematic. He would be advised to speak to an attorney before making any statements about what happened.

He has spoken to the investigators already and they have his story on videotape.

I agree. In fact, don't be surprised if his attorney or an attorney for the department showed up to the crime scene. i don't know who is representing him, but I do know that it is not unusual in other municipalities for the attorney to respond to officer involved shootings along with everyone else.

 

[CoolJ]

If reports are true, he showed violence, attacking an officer. OW now has a duty to protect innocent civilians who may happen upon MB's path.

Well those reports are only coming from 2nd or 3rd hand information, so they may not necessarily be how things went down. Also, the point here is that it may be considered better to NOT Shoot for the very reason you mention... To protect innocent civilians.

 

[katydid23]

Do people normally bother to file such complaints, especially in a largely African American neighborhood with a largely white police force where negative interactions with police and distrust of police would be commonplace and just considered a way of life?

I bet they do. I would bet there are complaints filed agains some of those officers. jmo

 

[jmcgladr]

Can I have a link for the bolded parts please.

It's my OPINION. I don't have a link for my opinion. Most everyone here is giving their opinion, but I don't see you asking them for links. He wanted cigars, he stole them, he was near his destination. No reason to think he had any other intent but to go to his destination and smoke the cigars.


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[bettybaby00]

So. Let them go because they "just" stole cigars? ETA: Nobody had any way of knowing he was done and "wanted to go home." For all anyone knew, he could have continued on a robbery spree or something. No evidence of that, but it's just as much an assumption as saying he had gotten what he wanted and was skipping along on home all peaceful like. JMO

IKR?

Someone brazen enough to get into a physical altercation with a cop and then try and take his weapon IS A THREAT TO EVERONE.

Caps for emphasis

 

[JLSChook]

That's what I am thinking, that, whoever is investigating this shooting needs to consider whether or not he should have shot at all, regardless of what happened in the car.

So, it's okay for some huge man to assault a police officer and try to steal his weapon, and the police officer should have done what after that? Let him go? Tickle him? Seriously?

It's kind of hard to arrest someone that is beating on your face and trying to steal your gun. Lol

Like I said before, it's so easy for people to sit in their comfy homes saying what Officer Wilson should or should not have done. He was saving his own life like any NORMAL human being would be forced to do under the same circumstances.

 

[katydid23]

Whether DJ was telling the truth or lying through his teeth does not justify the shooting.

But it does place his version of events into question, imo. :cow:

 

[reedus23]

You know what? I totally and respectfully disagree. The chatter turned his audio over to the FBI, which is great and fantastic. There was absolutely NO NEED for him, through is attorney, to turn it over to CNN.

Curious as to your thoughts of the FPD releasing the robbery info/video?

 

[Apollo]

No good excuse to attack anyone let alone a cop. But there is no evidence yet that he did attack Wilson. What if Wilson attacked him first? What if Wilson stuck a gun in his face because he didn't like being disobeyed and MB grabbed that gun.... I think I would do the same... I think it would be human instinct.

If an officer stuck a gun in my face, my first instinct would be to do whatever he said. I can't even imagine grabbing his gun.

 

[krimekat]

Whether DJ was telling the truth or lying through his teeth does not justify the shooting.

MB assaulting an officer (medical records are with GJ as per Fergsuon PD) & "going for his weapon" sure does

Anyway, DJ will never be taken seriously & soon he'll be doing time in Cole County jail (maybe prison)

 

[DeDee]

Uh, because MB ended up being shot at 10 or 11 times and ended up with 6 bullets including one to the head and also ended up dead.

Something caused either MB or OW to react to something.

And I don't think that something was "Young men, would you please move over to the sidewalk?"

And I don't think MB would respond to the ^^^ polite request by starting to attack a police officer of all people, for God's sake.

Let's try to keep the facts straight because I become confused easily.

"Baden told the Times that one of the bullets struck the top of Brown's skull, suggesting that the 18-year-old's head was bent forward when he was shot. The doctor added that four of the six shots struck Brown in the right arm, and all the bullets entered from the teen's front. Only three of the bullets were recovered from Brown's body."

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/18/autopsy-michael-brown-shows-6-wounds-bullets-entered-front

"The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front, the people said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

That equals 6 wounds with 3 recovered bullets from MBs body.

It is my posture that OW shot ten or eleven bullets of a capacity of thirteen that his gun could hold, including the one in the chamber. It is possible OW emptied his gun of thirteen bullets while attempting to stop MB. One witness said, on Foxs News last night, that her building was struck by one shot and a bullet was removed [by forensics] from the exterior of her building the same afternoon. I do hope all of the bullets were recovered and accounted for.

I am of the opinion that the grazing wound on MBs hand and one of the wounds on the upper arm and near the nipple were from the same bullet. Furthermore, I believe those two wounds occurred during the "tussle" over the gun.

If my assumptions are incorrect, maybe someone will direct me to more accurate data.

moo and all that jazz

 

[jmcgladr]

MB assaulting an officer (medical records are with GJ as per Fergsuon PD) & "going for his weapon" sure does

Anyway, DJ will never be taken seriously & soon he'll be doing time in Cole County jail (maybe prison)

Doing time for WHAT? Being a witness to a police shooting and robbery?


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[CoolJ]

That's a whole lot of "ifs". I'd rather stick with what I know. If "if" were a fifth....we would all be drunk.

The if's simply represent the fact that there are many possibilities of what happened. Nobody is saying it happened that way, just that it could have. Many people are stating opinions and assumptions as though they are already proven... I am simply showing how none of this has been proven. We know very little.

 

[reedus23]

BBM

That is not what was being said on HLN by Omara and Hoskins, attorney on the panel. They said that the prosecutor DOES bring forth exculpatory evidence and mitigating factors in defense of the suspect. And in a Grand Jury, the prosecutor is not solely a prosecutor, but a finder of fact. His job is to bring forth all relevant forensics and witness testimony, and allow the GJ to decide whether to bring it to trial or not. He may guide them but it is not his decision.

In my opinion, if there is enough evidence to show that it was a justified shooting, even then, this prosecutor could not make that decision on his own. The entire town would implode and go up in smoke. He needs to take it to the grand jury so there is some buffer and some justification for the decision. And those findings can be eventually released to explain the process.

Thanks for that. I'm gonna take it as something I just have to accept and move on. Still not comfortable with it and still doesn't make sense to me, but will accept it and move on.

 

[krimekat]

Doing time for WHAT? Being a witness to a police shooting and robbery?


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for theft & lying to LE in Jefferson City MO

oh, and then potential armed robbery & lying to LE in StL County MO

 

[CHERIE.T]

No, not let him go, but maybe don't gun him down. He's got a description, he can come find him later... Just don't open fire in the middle of the street in the middle of the day.

THEN M shouldn't have ignored the cops request to get outta the road and he sure as hell shouldn't have punched OW. links to this in media thread.

 

[CoolJ]

So, it's okay for some huge man to assault a police officer and try to steal his weapon, and the police officer should have done what after that? Let him go? Tickle him? Seriously?

It's kind of hard to arrest someone that is beating on your face and trying to steal your gun. Lol

Like I said before, it's so easy for people to sit in their comfy homes saying what Officer Wilson should or should not have done. He was saving his own life like any NORMAL human being would be forced to do under the same circumstances.

First of all, we don't know anyone was beating on anyone's face trying to steal their gun... There are many other ways this could have gone down. And of course it wouldn't be ok, but is the only option to gun a person like that down?? Really? That's the only option? In residential area where anyone could have caught a stray bullet? If that's really how it is maybe the problem here is that policing in North America needs to change at a fundamental level.

 

[reedus23]

Is it just me... Or does the audio mean very little?

I can see how both sides would like to spin it...but in reality it proves nothing...IMO


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I agree and disagree. Again, I think it's important because it tells me that whatever happened beforehand is almost irrelevant. It's not important because it doesn't tell us, after the pause, if MB was surrendering himself to arrest or if he was charging the cop.

 

[JLSChook]

Never mind. :facepalm:

It's kinda hard to have a factual conversation when the facts (LAWS) are being ignored and/or misrepresented.

 

[CoolJ]

THEN M shouldn't have ignored the cops request to get outta the road and he sure as hell shouldn't have punched OW. links to this in media thread.

Well of course, IF he did do that ( and there are no links PROVING he did) then it was wrong.. Of course nobody is disputing that. Not that I have seen anyway.