MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[jmcgladr]

First of all, we don't know anyone was beating on anyone's face trying to steal their gun... There are many other ways this could have gone down. And of course it wouldn't be ok, but is the only option to gun a person like that down?? Really? That's the only option? In residential area where anyone could have caught a stray bullet? If that's really how it is maybe the problem here is that policing in North America needs to change at a fundamental level.

AMEN! In fact, I'd go so far as to say policing in America most assuredly DOES need changing at a fundamental level. In some areas more than others, granted.


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[CoolJ]

I agree and disagree. Again, I think it's important because it tells me that whatever happened beforehand is almost irrelevant. It's not important because it doesn't tell us, after the pause, if MB was surrendering himself to arrest or if he was charging the cop.

There are very few facts, that is the problem here.

 

[CHERIE.T]

First of all, we don't know anyone was beating on anyone's face trying to steal their gun... There are many other ways this could have gone down. And of course it wouldn't be ok, but is the only option to gun a person like that down?? Really? That's the only option? In residential area where anyone could have caught a stray bullet? If that's really how it is maybe the problem here is that policing in North America needs to change at a fundamental level.

witnesses came forward and said there was AN ALTERCATION between OW and M, links in media thread.

 

[krimekat]

I'd go so far as to say parenting in America needs to change at a fundamental level. Respect for yourself & others starts at home . . .

 

[jmcgladr]

I'd go so far as to say parenting in America needs changing at a fundamental level. Respect for yourself & others starts at home . . .

Does every parent in America parent the same way? LOL


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[reedus23]

Do people normally bother to file such complaints, especially in a largely African American neighborhood with a largely white police force where negative interactions with police and distrust of police would be commonplace and just considered a way of life?

Not a chance.

 

[reedus23]

There are bad apples in every profession, I would imagine. I don't agree, for one minute, with the way the LEO caught on tape acted, pointing his gun at people; on the other hand, I don't agree with the snotty way a lot of journalists were acting -- as if they were trying to incite police to get a story, "Oh!!! The bad policeman is threatening me! Help me!" I am, though, willing to make some allowances for the fact that none of us here knows the level of stress those police officers were under during the rioting/looting/protesting, whatever you want to call it.

The media just happened to know their constitutional rights. I'd hardly call that inciting anyone, unless it's a video I haven't seen yet.

 

[Foxfire]

Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
Or maybe DW/OW instantly did know that MB and DJ were the likely suspects in the strong armed robbery and was buying time for backup, using a deflection of the jaywalking admonition to prevent them from running, or to protect other citizens in vehicles happening up on the scene.. Or a combination of the three
strategies.. Imo, DW/OW would have heard the police dispatcher broadcasting the detailed description of the robbery suspect/s on his handi talkie, and would have likely affirmed his location and his intention of responding, to the dispatcher.. jmo

Protect them from what, exactly? A robbery suspect armed with stolen cigars? There would be no reason for MB to hurt the civilians around him. He had already gotten what he wanted. He wanted to go home, he didn't want to attack the folks around him. And he was unarmed.

<BBM for Focus>

Guess, you didn't view the same security cam video that the rest of America has witnessed, of MB assaulting the convenience store clerk, jmcgladr...

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

The if's simply represent the fact that there are many possibilities of what happened. Nobody is saying it happened that way, just that it could have. Many people are stating opinions and assumptions as though they are already proven... I am simply showing how none of this has been proven. We know very little.

It's one thing to have an opinion based on what's already been presented in the media. Just to make up endless possibilities that have no basis whatsoever is confusing. jmo

 

[reedus23]

Or maybe DW/OW instantly did know that MB and DJ were the likely suspects in the strong armed robbery and was buying time for backup, using a deflection of the jaywalking admonition to prevent them from running, or to protect other citizens in vehicles happening up on the scene.. Or a combination of the three
strategies.. Imo, DW/OW would have heard the police dispatcher broadcasting the detailed description of the robbery suspect/s on his handi talkie, and would have likely affirmed his location and his intention of responding, to the dispatcher.. jmo

2 problems with that. It contradicts what FPD stated about the first contact. Second, the FPD records say as of 7:00 that night, they still haven't seen anyone that matches the description in the robbery. 7 hours after the shooting. Until I hear a reasonable explanation for why that is in their own records, I will remain of the belief that they didn't piece together that robbery suspect = MB until much later and probably not until the next day.

 

[Truthy]

I have gone to federal buildings to lobby and protest, I felt it was my civic duty. No use learning about government if you're not going to participate in it, IMHO.

 

[jmcgladr]

<BBM for Focus>

Guess, you didn't view the same security cam video that the rest of America has witnessed, of MB assaulting the convenience store clerk, jmcgladr...

I've watched it 5 or more times. Yes, a clerk got in his way and he pushed him aside. That doesn't mean he was planning to assault anyone on the street.

 

[popsicle]

David Carson &#8207;@PDPJ 7m
#Ferguson I'm back on W Florissant tonight, quiet, police blocking road for planned march of people, scanner reports about 20 people total

 

[bettybaby00]

I'll say it again

ad·mis·sion
&#601;d&#712;miSH&#601;n/
noun
1. a statement acknowledging the truth of something.
"an admission of guilt"

synonyms: confession, acknowledgment, mea culpa, acceptance, concession, disclosure, divulgence
"a written admission of guilt"

When the family's lawyer goes on national TV and makes the following admission...

"Nancy, without question, there was some level of interaction, strong interaction, between the officer and Michael at the car. We don`t deny that,” Daryl Parks, attorney for Brown’s family said Monday night.

“I think as evidence comes out, you'll see and hear more of that. But that`s not what killed him.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/08/1...opsy-fight-car

On Megyn Kelly :

(Megan asks his theory on why this officer, with a good history would have just opened fire on what we're told is an innocent teenager.)

Parks (Brown Family attorney) answers: "In all due fairness, at the very beginning, at the car, there was a very serious situation between Michael and the officer, without question, in which there may have been blo...they had an altercation.

And at some point, the officer's gun may have come out and a shot's fired."

(He follows by saying that's not the real issue.)

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-ke.../3739124713001

I think it's safe to say, they're telling us that MB got physical with him, and they struggled over the gun.

He doesn't say, the officer pulled his gun and threatened them, and then MB tried to protect himself. Why not? Dorian was right there, correct?

DJ gave an official statement, and it's not at all similar to what he told TV reporters every time they stuck a microphone in his face.

That's why they try and diminish what happened at the car. Parks asserts, "but that's not what killed him." The truth is, it's exactly what killed him.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

So, it's okay for some huge man to assault a police officer and try to steal his weapon, and the police officer should have done what after that? Let him go? Tickle him? Seriously?

It's kind of hard to arrest someone that is beating on your face and trying to steal your gun. Lol

Like I said before, it's so easy for people to sit in their comfy homes saying what Officer Wilson should or should not have done. He was saving his own life like any NORMAL human being would be forced to do under the same circumstances.

I agree. It seems that people forget that he is a HUMAN being. Not a robot or a cyberwarrior. Someone blindsides him and shoves him back into his car and starts punching him in the face, IT's ON. He is going to use as much force as he feels necessary because he has been trained to defend HIS LIFE. Sadly, LOTS of cops are killed just like that in routine stops.

 

[CoolJ]

If eyewitness versions matched up step for step, I'd have a much bigger concern. Frankly, I think if you piece them all together, along with what we think we know of the cop's version, I don't know if there is a whole lot of differences.

*Cop approached them about being in the street (DJ, FPD and cop's wife's friend all say this)
*There is some question to if the cop moved on and came back or not, but I'd suggest there's not a lot of meaning either way. (DJ and cop's wife's friend say this)
*There was a confrontation at the car. I think most either say this or don't say either way. The nature and extent of that is unknown at this point, though we've heard descriptions from both sides.
*There was a shot fired from within the car. DJ and PD agree.
*MB disengaged the officer, moving himself at least 35 feet from the car. I think everyone agrees with this.
*The officer exited his vehicle and fired as MB was disengaging/fleeing but no bullets struck him in the back
*MB stopped fleeing at some point and turned back to the officer.
*MB was shot several more times.

I'm sure I'm missing something but those basic facts, don't they all pretty much agree on? Obviously the big facts where there will be disagreement is what was MB doing after he turned around.

What is PP if I can show my stupidity again? And what tough questions do you want me to ask? I'd be more than happy to discuss.

Reedus, very good synopsis, the only thing I would change would be that you stated MB was not shot in the back. Which is true if you are refering to back as in, "posterior torso" (what most of us refer to as our backs, however it has not been ruled out that he was shot "from behind". Those arm wounds, while being "front of the body" as the ME described are actually the portion if the arm that face back while walking or running.

 

[Foxfire]

2 problems with that. It contradicts what FPD stated about the first contact. Second, the FPD records say as of 7:00 that night, they still haven't seen anyone that matches the description in the robbery. 7 hours after the shooting. Until I hear a reasonable explanation for why that is in their own records, I will remain of the belief that they didn't piece together that robbery suspect = MB until much later and probably not until the next day.

<BBM for Focus>

The Ferguson police Chief later corrected the statement about the first contact with MB by OW. Do you have a link for the FPD records that state that as of 7:00 PM that night, they still haven't seen anyone that matches the description in the robbery, reedus23?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...en-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source
By Hollie McKayPublished August 20, 2014FoxNews.com

 

[TheDuchess]

Curious as to your thoughts of the FPD releasing the robbery info/video?

If I recall correctly, it was said to have been released as a FOIA request.

That said - I have no problem with either the video or the audio being released. I'm glad we have it. I've listened to it at least 20 times. That said, my point is that you seem concerned with the chatter's privacy being violated, but he was the one who decided to release it to CNN, so I am sure he took that into consideration when doing so. His choice. I am sure if he simply released it to the FBI, we'd never hear about it again. That's all. So it would have satisfied the fact that it would have been in the hands of the proper authorities, he didn't need to release it. And since he did, I am happy that he did, but don't feel bad about giggling about his conversation with his lady friend. That's all.

 

[CoolJ]

witnesses came forward and said there was AN ALTERCATION between OW and M, links in media thread.

I agree, that is not really in dispute. But altercation does not equal one party assaulting another and trying to steal their gun, which is the assumption that is being made throughout this entire thread.

 

[Dana]

My goodness, we went from 'gentle giant' to 'young man' to 'teen' to 'little boy' and now.........'baby'

"That baby was executed..." per Crump >JUST WOW :facepalm:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri