MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

[DebinGA]

I think OW either did not see where DJ went or was not trying to arrest DJ or didn't find him a threat b/c DJ was not involved in the "tussle" in the car.

Not sticking up for DJ but DJ already put the stuff back on the counter. Seems like he was not trying to get caught up in that, I doubt he would get caught up in a "tussle" with a police officer.

Watching DJ's passivity during the store robbery makes me doubt he was the one who responded at all to Ofc. Wilson's order to get onto the sidewalk, much less using his Eddie Haskell voice. I think DJ was silent, waiting for MB to do/say something, and MB just kept walking.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/wolf.01.html

Don Lemon: At this point, though, what will it take to end the violent protests? I want to bring in someone who says he is ready to call and -- to ask, I should say, that's more like it for you, moratorium on protesting. And that is Malik Shabazz, the National President of the Black Lawyers for Justice which was formerly the New Black Panther Party. So, what are you -- what are you asking for? You said you're not calling, you're asking. For what?*

MALIK SHABAZZ, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, BLACK LAWYERS FOR JUSTICE: Well, first of all, due to those results and the people's demands for justice in this case, that they do have to march. But what we're asking for, and they're going to march tonight, and we're going to help them. But what we're going to make sure is that after sundown, that there -- that everything ends peacefully. And that the cause is respected. And that agents and people that are here to mess up the good will of these demonstrators are not allowed to take over this

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Thank you!!!! I knew I heard him say that.

 

[TheDuchess]

I think OW either did not see where DJ went or was not trying to arrest DJ or didn't find him a threat b/c DJ was not involved in the "tussle" in the car.

Not sticking up for DJ but DJ already put the stuff back on the counter. Seems like he was not trying to get caught up in that, I doubt he would get caught up in a "tussle" with a police officer.

Random thoughts here but here goes....DJ has a record...he knows it...he's trying to stay on the straight and narrow, but still hanging out with the his buddies that aren't necessarily on the straight and narrow....(kind of like MB having friends that are gang members doesn't make him a gang member, just makes him "cool" because he can be friends with anyone.) Now....in some communities, DJ may well be perceived as being, let's say, less than heroic. When his buddy was in trouble, what did he do? He ran. He hid. I can imagine that he may well have been questioned as to why he didn't help out his friend, or may have well thought he may be asked that question. Well...trying to stay clean probably wasn't going to get him out of being called a coward, he had to embellish his story just a little bit....the officer was crazy...he went psycho on us and just started shooting...I knew I was next, so I ran and I hid. There was no way I could have helped Big Mike because that cop would have shot me too, had I not run and hid. But the truth of the matter is that DJ was never in any danger, because DJ was doing everything he could to AVOID being involved inn the situation. He put back the cigars. He walked out of the store. When engaged by the officer to get out of the street, he likely was as polite as possible (love the Eddie Hakell analogy.) OK sir...we are almost to our destination.

And then...when his buddy got into a tussle with the officer, DJ (rightfully I might add) ran away as fast as he could....he wanted out of there....not because OW was going to shoot him....but because he didn't want any trouble to begin with. But that story isn't going to work in his hood, with his buddies. He abandoned his friend and didn't back him up.

I think our little Eddie Haskell just wanted to look tough and the story of him abandoning his buddy wasn't going to work, he came up with the hands up don't shoot storyline that justified his choice to run away. JMO

 

[popsicle]

Armed has a specific meaning- carrying a weapon. If you want to ignore that- you are ignoring the law of the land, IMHO. Why is ignoring that law okay with you? Not understanding that at all.

1. “Police shouldn’t shoot an unarmed teenager.”
No gun doesn’t mean no threat. FBI murder statistics consistently show that more people are beaten to death with hands and feet each year than are killed by assault rifles. Of the 465 weapons used to commit murder in Missouri in 2012, more than one in four were not firearms. A person’s size doesn’t mean that they are aggressive, but one’s stature is clearly a factor in a fight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...erguson-debate-ignores-these-three-key-facts/

 

[JLSChook]

The context of the discussion is when it is okay to use "deadly force", and the threat must be real and current.

If the first volley of those shots were fired as he was running away- as every single direct witness we have heard from claims- that is very troublesome, because there was not current threat.

Please look up Tennessee vs. Garner.

 

[Truthy]

This officer was attacked by the suspect. In MO no gun is needed if you are attacked. Are the laws in NYC different that MO? Stand your ground is a law to protect private citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

The use of force by LE for MO has been posted here numerous times. If a poster has that handy maybe they can post it again if anyone is unclear on what is considered a threat.

In NYC, the standard was if the danger is current and real. Once he fled unarmed, the threat stopped. The protocol would be to call for backup if needed and pursue, not to shoot. Perhaps because the city is so densely populated and the chance of hitting bystanders so great, the PD took this very seriously even when no civiians were hit. I went over this a hundred times over the years with my brother. And a few hundred times with human rights advocates in Britain and Northern Ireland, where rules are much the same. The danger is always something to be reassesd as the situation changes, and fleeing or surrendering certainly changes things. Otherwise there'd be a lot of perps murdered because the cops were vengeful.


all MHO.

 

[bettybaby00]

http://thepolicenews.net/default.as...ry=News+1-2&newsletterid=47254&menugroup=Home

ETA: Title of the piece: "Can unarmed individuals kill police officers?"

"The answer is absolutely YES. And here's how: 511 law enforcement officers in the past decade have been murdered on duty. And 53 of them have been executed by their own guns by the UNARMED harmless innocent people.?!




Media MUST stop repeating every minute that an unarmed innocent person was murdered by the police. And fuel and cause the riots we have seen every night in Ferguson....."

Thanks for posting article....informative ain't it?

 

[popsicle]

This officer was attacked by the suspect. In MO no gun is needed if you are attacked. Are the laws in NYC different that MO? Stand your ground is a law to protect private citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

The use of force by LE for MO has been posted here numerous times. If a poster has that handy maybe they can post it again if anyone is unclear on what is considered a threat.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

 

[bwt42]

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/wolf.01.html

Don Lemon: At this point, though, what will it take to end the violent protests? I want to bring in someone who says he is ready to call and -- to ask, I should say, that's more like it for you, moratorium on protesting. And that is Malik Shabazz, the National President of the Black Lawyers for Justice which was formerly the New Black Panther Party. So, what are you -- what are you asking for? You said you're not calling, you're asking. For what?*

MALIK SHABAZZ, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, BLACK LAWYERS FOR JUSTICE: Well, first of all, due to those results and the people's demands for justice in this case, that they do have to march. But what we're asking for, and they're going to march tonight, and we're going to help them. But what we're going to make sure is that after sundown, that there -- that everything ends peacefully. And that the cause is respected. And that agents and people that are here to mess up the good will of these demonstrators are not allowed to take over this

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New Black Panther Party is still in existence.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Only 1-1/2 weeks earlier and 2 miles away white police officers shot and killed an AA male threatening them with a knife. It hasn't had the news coverage that MB did. The Chief of Police for the City of St. Louis, Dotson said this about the officers taking the action they did.

Officers have a reasonable expectation to go home at the end of their shift

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_85d27316-a17a-5e0a-b1d6-8a6753e2fcb2.html

 

[cady]

I know something serious happened between MB & OW at the car. A gun going off would have to be reported IMO. My guess is that if MB surrendered (if he had the chance) before he ran he would have been charged with assualt & resisting arrest. Not saying it would be right, only that is what would happen. Anyone disagree?

JMO If he surrendered before he ran, he wouldn't have been resisting arrest. Yes, some altercation happened through the window of the SUV. Somehow DW's l or r? side of face was injured. We do not know if he was punched or if the door slammed on his face. We know that he had an authorized weapon. We know that the weapon was unholstered at some point, in the SUV. If DW unholstered the weapon, then it was under his control and his finger was on the trigger. We do NOT know if there was a struggle for control of the weapon, but we do know that there was some kind of struggle.....it could have been for possession of the weapon or it could have been MB pushing the weapon away from himself. We know that the weapon fired and that MB ran and DW, still in possession of the weapon, exited the SUV and pursued MB. Whether or not DW was punched by MB, or had to wrestle for the weapon did not matter because if MB slammed the door on him, then MB had just committed an assault on a police officer. JMO

 

[Irish_Eyes]

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

Just want to mention to y'all also that there was a very informative post a few days ago about MO statute specifically on Volokh Conspiracy blog (which is part of Washington Post). The bloggers are lawyers and law professors, etc. so it's definitely worth a look. I'd link it but I'm just too tired.....

 

[gngr~snap]

@Linda7NJ found it.
VIDEO AT LINK

"Gary Tuchman visited the violence confrontation lab and even took part in one of the simulations."

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/28/preparing-police-for-confrontation/
Lol. It was at UCLA, the first officer on the clip was from Spokane duh... Knew I heard Washinhton.
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[popsicle]

[h=1]The political negligence of black leadership[/h]


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My view is the circumstances that created the events that resulted in tragedy of Michael Brown's much too early death can be placed squarely at the feet of black leadership, or I should have said at the failure of black leadership to fulfill the only moral imperative of leadership – protecting and advancing the interest of the people you lead.

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/col...cle_8c5e4a26-2364-11e4-8fbd-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[UdbCrzy2]

New Black Panther Party is still in existence.

They have been involved in what's been going on in Ferguson.

It was reported early in the MB rioting by a local news channel that the FBI sent out an alert to police.
around the 2:45 mark
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/13/fbi-warns-new-black-panther-leader-in-ferguson-inciting-violence/


They even took over the Chief of Police press conference here at the 4:00 mark
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/video-protesters-take-over-ferguson-police-chiefs-news-conference/


Pastors: Man claiming to be peacekeeper actually escalating things in Ferguson
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...per-actually-escalating-things-271915931.html

 

[aa9511]

I apologize if this has already been brought forth, but these are pertinent questions IMO.

Isn't every white cop with a room temperature IQ or certifiably sane aware that if he shoots and kills a black who is no threat he faces full-scale assault in the media? And it may go national? That he will lose his job and pension along with likely criminal charges by a politically ambitious prosecutor? Also, a civil suit that he can't afford by surviving family members" To say nothing of federal charges?

Does a cop (who has no prior record of misbehavior) risk this to shoot a black kid walking in the middle of the street?

I think the point is that sometimes anger can cause a person to not think clearly. In the flash of few seconds, they can make a mistake which costs them their career to even worse, their life.

In either case (MB "guilty" or OW "guilty"), someone did something incredily foolish and without thinking of the consequences.

 

[Linda7NJ]

@Linda7NJ found it.
VIDEO AT LINK

"Gary Tuchman visited the violence confrontation lab and even took part in one of the simulations."

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/28/preparing-police-for-confrontation/
Lol. It was at UCLA, the first officer on the clip was from Spokane duh... Knew I heard Washinhton.
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Thank you !!!!!


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[Lovejac]

Thanks cady, I understand
But......

I'm still curious as to why this audio tape was so HUGE that the Brown attorneys were all over it like it was the answer to their prayers? As if this audio was going to prove OW's guilt. I watched them on tv when this breaking news came out on CNN and they were almost foaming at the mouth with excitement. THEN, all of a sudden a complete 180??

Why aren't the Brown attorneys still happy about this audio tape? I watched, I think it was Parks? and DJ, on a talk show stating that they think that this audio doesn't mean much. CNN stating it might be a hoax.

I dunno, I think it's really really strange.

I find it odd as well. Makes me wonder if Officer Wilson's voice could be heard on it.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Just want to mention to y'all also that there was a very informative post a few days ago about MO statute specifically on Volokh Conspiracy blog (which is part of Washington Post). The bloggers are lawyers and law professors, etc. so it's definitely worth a look. I'd link it but I'm just too tired.....

Was it about MB being a victim? If so I found it here http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...08/22/is-michael-brown-the-victim-of-a-crime/

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Thanks cady, I understand
But......

I'm still curious as to why this audio tape was so HUGE that the Brown attorneys were all over it like it was the answer to their prayers? As if this audio was going to prove OW's guilt. I watched them on tv when this breaking news came out on CNN and they were almost foaming at the mouth with excitement. THEN, all of a sudden a complete 180??

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BBM & snipped

I had to laugh at that. That's exactly what I think each time I see them on the air.