MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

[cady]

JMO I like DNA testing. I hope that they have reliable sources. If in particular, for me MB's DNA was found on DW's FACE, that will be a game-changer for me. Teetering................ JMO

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I have to be very careful with certain comments I want to make.
I was a teen in the late 60s early 70s.
I saw and was even involved in some peace marches....

I saw with my own eyes what some NOT ALL some Black Panthers did and how they conducted themselves at marches>>>>>

It wasn't peaceful. NO link so Ill add IMHOO.

I don't know if I can link Southern Poverty Law Center, but they describe him as

Although he's sometimes identified in the mainstream media as a mere "legal adviser" or "community organizer," Malik Shabazz is a racist black nationalist with a long, well-documented history of violently anti-Semitic remarks and accusations about the inherent evil of white people. He is also particularly skilled at orchestrating provocative protests. Ousted from the Nation of Islam after he became an embarrassment even to that hard-line group

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/malik-zulu-shabazz

 

[TheDuchess]

JMO I want to see incontrovertible proof that Wilson started on his way and then returned to MB and DJ with the intention of effecting an arrest on suspicion of MB having minutes earlier strong-arm robbed a store nearby. I know that there are no links to this, because it is one of the many unknowns that are repeatedly asserted as FACT. JMO

You may want that, but that certainly isn't how our justice system works. In order to charge him, the state must be able to provide incontrovertible proof that OW shot MB without being in fear of harm to himself or others. No one, including OW, owes you or me or anyone incontrovertible proof of innocence. It is the other way around.

 

[aa9511]

Ok, but we're talking about foolishness, and who in the past, or within the last 1/2 hour or so prior to the shooting exhibited foolish behavior.

Even if we bring state of mind into the discussion, I'd still make the same argument. There has been no, zero, zilch allegations that OW had ever acted in his professional capacity with a "state of mind" that you just described. I will go back to the diligent attempts by Parks & company to dig up dirt on OW and they've come up empty handed. Given that, am I supposed to believe that a cop who would pull his gun on 2 young guys and threaten to shoot them simply b/c they said, "hey man why you hassling me?" Wouldn't have a "smidgen of corruption" attached to his name? if OWs state of mind were such that this was how he conducted himself wouldn't there be complaints? If not in the past, then where are all his alleged victims of harassment now? Ever since the events of that afternoon unfolded, anyone past or present who had a legitimate incident to report regarding his behavior would have been knocking on Parks door ASAP.

There were two people involved here, and thus far, one acted a fool, and one didn't.
JMO

I understand. The only thing I would say is that, like someone (I think you) mentioned earlier, there might have been bad language and stuff used before, but no one reported it.

Let's say he sometimes used bad language and generally bad behavior with Black people. First of all, I'm betting that no Black person in Ferguson who might have encountered this behavior is gonna want to walk to the police station to file a damaging report on a police officer. Do you? I think that only happens in middle-class and upper-class White people world, to tell you the honest truth.

So we have the issue of non-reporting.


One way to find out the truth would be to interview OW's fellow police officers and those who worked closely with him in areas like Ferguson. But then we come across the issue of loyalty.I highly doubt any Ferguson police officer is going to EVER admit to anything like about OW.

So we have two issues - non-reporting and loyalty.

So then, do any of us really know what the truth is?

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I think DJ will be relocating as well if this is true... I almost think he should be in the witness protection program if all that was said turns out to be true... I'm serious, I worry for his safety if he takes some deal or testifies to anything that supports OW's version. He will not be safe, imo

Every time I hear of a dead body found, I think of him...

 

[Phoebeb]

No, this was a facebook post from the radio station that we had discussed awhile ago. They claim to have a source close to LE and were right about the autopsy before the report by Dr. B was released. That's why I tried to stress it was not confirmed and a rumor, and why I didn't link the page. Hope that's okay to discuss here

Was this from an MSM article?

 

[gngr~snap]

I think DJ will be relocating as well if this is true... I almost think he should be in the witness protection program if all that was said turns out to be true... I'm serious, I worry for his safety if he takes some deal or testifies to anything that supports OW's version. He will not be safe, imo

I am surprised he hasn't relocated. If it is proven he didn't tell the truth and colluded with others to tell the same story, he just may have both sides mad at him as well as LE for causing a of the hullabaloo to begin with.

All posts are MOO

 

[bettybaby00]

I don't usually go the "what if" route, especially in this case where the more I read, the less I know, but here goes my observations on the initial contact between Brown, Johnson and Wilson.

The act of walking down the middle of the street is of itself rude and provocative. It signals, "I own this, what you going to do?"

If and of course that might be a pretty big if, we believe Johnson, the young men elected not to walk on the sidewalk, but instead countered that they were "almost home". I realize Johnson and Brown don't represent the entire populace, but these two young men weren't acting as though they were fearful of an oppressive and racist police force. IMO, they were acting more like they were used to a police force that maintained a low profile in areas where the residents were either fearful of or aligned with gangs and unlikely to be cooperative with LE.

I don't know exactly what followed the initial contact, but the idea that OW is the person who provoked what followed just doesn't make sense to me. All my conjectures and MOO.

Great points

 

[LambChop]

Social Networks

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Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

 

[Muffet]

Adding the link for those who may need it... https://www.facebook.com/1007TheViper

And http://viperrocks.com

Wiki:
(it) serves the St. Louis Metropolitan area. The station is currently owned by Westplex Broadcasting, LLC.[1]
6,000 Watt station. It's probably mainstream media for locals.

I don't know where we draw the line here, so, just FYI.

 

[Truthy]

JMO I like DNA testing. I hope that they have reliable sources. If in particular, for me MB's DNA was found on DW's FACE, that will be a game-changer for me. Teetering................ JMO

Yes, I hope to see DNA, gun residue as well as finger prints clear enough to tell the real story. *crosses fingers*

 

[Lovejac]

Is there a link to any FINAL autopsy reports? I thought there were only preliminary from Baden and references made to another preliminary.
Thanks!

Just the 2nd autopsy that Baden did at the request of the Brown family, which clearly shows no gunshot in MB's back. It's in the media thread.
We haven't seen the 1st one done by Dr. Case but I doubt that she found a gunshot in MB's back either.

 

[TheDuchess]

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[*Then click Save Changes]moo

I love the iggy feature...however...I wish I could figure out a way where I don't see their posts in other people's responses to them. So hard to skip and scroll...

 

[EvilSoup]

First time I viewed that video (it's in the media thread now, BTW), I was horrified that there is a young girl of about 10 years old moving into the front line, chanting the death threats, and holding a sign. What kind of a negligent, idiotic parent allows or encourages THAT? JMO, but I think her parent/s or guardians should be under CPS supervision for allowing that. Allowing that is child endangerment and parental negligence, IMO, that is serious enough to remove custody emergently, and refer to family court. I can't believe the adults in the crowd allowed her to be there, either. Shameful, sickening, disgusting, and criminal behavior, on so many levels, IMO. What were they thinking? A little training exercise for kiddies? Orientation to rioting 101?

I know! It gives me chills to think parents would endanger their children by bringing them to the center of a sheetstorm! I won't even have the TV on when my kiddo is in the room because I don't want her to see anything disturbing. She already worries about the problems of the world WAY to much for a child.

Even if they don't get physically hurt, they are likely to see and hear some emotionally damaging things.

I always wonder if, in the past, children who witnessed public executions, or mob lynchings suffered any kind of PTSD even if it didn't have a name then. I mean people didn't think twice about bringing the whole dadgum family down for the big event! Seems so WTH to us now.

 

[al66pine]

CLARIFICATION PLS re school districts

Originally Posted by CherBearSTL I believe they chose Francis Howell so most students wouldn't leave. They knew they couldn't afford the tuition. If they chose a closer district to provide transportation to, everyone would have left the schools.

LAMB CHOP posted:
That is a very strong statement. Do you have a link to back this up or is this just an opinion? Thanks
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Who are "they" - MB's parents? Ferguson-FlorissantSchDist? Normandy Schools Collaborative (NSC)? MO Dept of Ed?

Can the above sentence be written substituting [name]for 'they'? Thx in adv.

Weren't some F-FSD students given choices of specified other schools to attend?
Or was Francis Howell in St Chas the only option,so far away?
Did all F-FSD students transfer to Francis Howell SD?
Weren't there some geographically closer options for some students?
Is there a CliffNotes for St L City, St L Co, F-F and the multitude of other school districts
involved in de-seg litigation and certification- decertification litigation that have been going on since ... 1960's(?).
Maybe just a side issue, sorry if O/T.

 

[cady]

You may want that, but that certainly isn't how our justice system works. In order to charge him, the state must be able to provide incontrovertible proof that OW shot MB without being in fear of harm to himself or others. No one, including OW, owes you or me or anyone incontrovertible proof of innocence. It is the other way around.

WHaaaah? I was talking about proof that DW, at the time of returning to MB and DJ LINKED the robbery to them, as the majority here have asserted as fact. Nobody owes ME anything, I'm a dispassionate observer. But I think that if someone asserts something as FACT, they should be able to prove that it is. <modsnip> JMO

 

[LambChop]

Please provide a link regarding facts when you are asked by a MOD. If it speculation, please make that clear in your post. If it is based on Facebook, also state so in your post. If is information you are getting from someone else, please provide a link to back up what you are presenting as factual.

Thanks, Lambchop

 

[TheDuchess]

Oh I can easily imagine the scenario I mentioned. I don't think it would take (IMO) the exxageration of a psycho cop itching to kill a black kid. The mistake I think both of the sides are taking is each side is going to the extreme. I think that neither MB was perfect at the beginning of this situation and neither was OW. I think that they both provoked each other.

If you look at what DJ said, and although people constantly bring up his credibility, but I think he was telling the truth that OW said "get the fu** off the sidewalk." That set the tone right there. Notice that, at this point, DJ appears to scratch out the real verbal response that DJ and MB gave OW. He said that thing about, we just said we were but a minute away from our destination. No, I think they probably said it in a lot ruder way than that. But he knew their response (the talking back I mentioned in my scenario), was not going to look good for them. It never looks good to say you talked back to a cop. So he conveniently scratched that part out. IMO, that does NOT mean that OW didn't really say what he said.

In the end, I believe the true story will come out to be something like what I said - that both sides did foolish and stupid things. The reason this has come to so much attention, obviously, is that one of them (the Black unarmed) kid is dead. That doesn't mean that MB behaved perfectly nor does it mean that OW behaved perfectly. And it's up to the justice system to figure out if someone is criminally liable for MB's death.

JMO.

I believe Officer Darren Wilson behaved PERFECTLY, as I have not seen one shred of proof that he did not. Perfectly clean record. Zero complaints. Commendation. Was assaulted by a 300 lb 6'4" man that just strongarmed a convenience store not more than 15 minutes prior. <modsnip> and others have it backwards. And you use DJ's statement for your reasoning? That is might be half-true? Sorry...but half-truths, in the legal system (and in life) are simply called LIES. When someone is a LIAR you cannot believe ANYTHING they say.

Officer Wilson owes you, me, the family, the community, NOTHING. He is innocent until proven guilty, particularly when he hasn't even been charged with any crime yet. This man was simply doing his job, like we expect him to do. And until I see proof otherwise, Officer Wilson is the VICTIM here - not the strong armed bully walking down the middle of the road police officer assaulting 6 ft 4in 300 lb MAN who was high as a kite. And certainly not Mr. "I am not just a witness I am a victim Eddie Haskel warrant out for his arrest lying to authorities accessory to a felon LIAR that he is.

Links to everything I have stated have been posted ad nauseum throughout these treads, so please don't ask for one, because at the end of the day, OW is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and until then he has my 100% support.

 

[LambChop]

And http://viperrocks.com

Wiki:
(it) serves the St. Louis Metropolitan area. The station is currently owned by Westplex Broadcasting, LLC.[1]
6,000 Watt station. It's probably mainstream media for locals.

I don't know where we draw the line here, so, just FYI.

It is okay. Also long as you paraphrase what is written on the Facebook page you can post with a link.

 

[Oceans]

CNN NEWSROOM

Emergency U.N. Meeting on Ukraine "Invasion"; Meeting at White House on How to Confront ISIS; Samantha Powers Speaks at Security Council; Hillary Clinton Comments on Michael Brown Shooting; New Development in Alleged Audio of Brown Shooting.

Aired August 28, 2014 - 14:30 ET

BALDWIN: Now, a new development today on that piece of audio.

Don Lemon is back from Ferguson, joining me on that development.

I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on Hillary Clinton. But let's get to the news. What have you learned about the audio?

DON LEMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have learned that the video messaging service, called Glide, they have authenticated the time stamp of that message. Initially, we weren't able to independently verify it. Now, this company, Glide, has authenticated it. The time they have said is 12:02:14, central on that Saturday, which is August 9th. CNN has been reporting it happened shortly after noon, around 12:01, 12:02. That is in line with the time the shooting occurred. The messaging service authenticating the time stamp, which leads more validity that the audio of this shooting is possibly the audio of Michael Brown being shot. The man who has spoken to the FBI lives very close to where the shooting occurred. All of this information going forward now leads to the validity of this audio tape that we first put on the air on CNN tonight on Monday night when we got it.

BALDWIN: So you have that layer coming out, sort of further authenticating the audio. But then, you just had Hillary Clinton talking. You hear her talking. And a lot of people say --

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: - it is not a matter of if but when she runs.

Yeah, go ahead.

LEMON: Brooke, I will get to Hillary Clinton, but I also want to say -- just so if you can also -- Glide is also now responding to this. They have put some information up on their website. They are saying -- you may have seen it on CNN and other news programs -- "The Glide Mobile app is being mentioned in the current news cycle surrounding Michael Brown with the video message created having surfaced as critical evidence. While the tragedy is never good news, our heart goes out to the family."

But they are saying that this, indeed, was their technology. They are glad the gentleman turned it over. They said the man lives nearby. So, again, they are reconfirming on their website, 12:02 p.m. central on Saturday, August 9th. They say, "We commend this Glide user for turning their Glide video message over to the FBI messengers as possible evidence in the ongoing investigation."

BALDWIN: OK. I'm up against a break. I want to talk more about the Hillary Clinton comments on what happened in Ferguson --

LEMON: Yeah.

BALDWIN: -- a couple of weeks ago. We will do that later in the show.

Don Lemon, thanks so much for the latest bit of news on the shooting.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/28/cnr.06.html