MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

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This will end up with the Officer involved losing his job and Michael Brown's family getting a civil settlement.
I totally agree with that outcome if it happens.
IMO too much police force on Michael Brown.
And please-leave his juvenile record out of this all.
How many amongst us have a child with a juvie record? And how many of our children have been used by thugs to be the fall guy/girl by way of size, beauty, naivety....
Jmo

nah...they've got nothing on this guy. When this all ends, the record will show so clearly that OW acted perfectly in the entire situation and he will have a very good shot at a plethora of legal settlements against a LOT of these organizations with deep pockets - it will backfire. Go after the Al Sharptons, the NAACP, CNN, et al of all those people who said, or allowed to be said, that he executed this man in cold blood. There will show a LOT of libel and slander against his good name.
 
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Truthy....sorry to have assumed you were younger but what you were posting reminded me of my college kids chatter after they've taken a Criminology class & I don't mean that disrespectfully to you in any way. The Innocence Project is something that comes up a lot with the college kids I know.
It is refreshing to see your take on things.
I'm probably much more jaded at this point.
You know, the old if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck thing.

Probably many here wish they could be proven wrong about a suspect's guilt after they've surmised and studied case after case. And yet, so much is predictable.

No worries- I am still "young at heart" in that I beleive there is always room for improvement. But for that to happen you do have to take off your blinders and stop pretending things are perfect. I'm not so at liberty to speak about details, but my brother was NYPD for more than 30 years, and he was changes in their approach over the years that deeply disturbed him. For that reason I do believe that removing any profit motive and also political pressure is essential to allow local PDs to do the best job possible. There's always room for improvement!
 
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Then go over to The Conservative Treehouse site which has maps/visuals galore. For instance:

https://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/wilson-vehicle-3.jpg
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There's DW's cruiser in the middle, to the left of the 2 orange cones. MB's ball cap is at the right cone, but the left cone is either a brass shell casing OR possibly DJ's bracelet lost during the car altercation. I think some there saw that DJ was wearing a bracelet in the store video, but not wearing it in videos right after MB died. Good sleuthing going on there to ID that object and the third item at the orange cone at the right side curb.
I saw that.
He had it and then it was gone.
I am ticked because some MSM blurred it out of those robbery video.
Seriously? I don't trust the media at all.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-arrest-warrant-theft-busted-lying-cops.html
http://www.wptv.com/web/wptv/news/n...nity-outraged-after-police-fatally-shoot-teen

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  • #1,324
Anyone here have OAN Network? It's new by us. Well they just had an African American man on here that spoke some serious truth about all of this. Here is his website. What a breath of fresh air!!!

http://bondinfo.org/
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson

Now THIS is a real man! God bless him!
 
  • #1,325
Honestly, as I have no intention of shooting at arriving officers, I don't see the different in them driving up dressed as Officer Friendly in a Crown Vic, or in a Hummer with body armor. OFFENSIVE weapons, yeah, we need to be careful about that, but DEFENSIVE weapons should only be a concern to those wishing to override the defenses, right?

....and wouldn't you agree that there's a fine line between what can be viewed as defensive and offensive? The lines between the two can blur so very quickly. Listen, I am a supporter of LE but can tell you that the investment in military products (given from our military to our police; local and national forces) is something we all should keep our eye on. It is a lot more involved than what the police are wearing or what type of vehicle they drive. Down the road, "defensively" they could patrol your backyard with drones or blast the air with the ear-piercing sound whenever there's a criminal on the loose. That's just a few examples and maybe that's nothing to some but it is something of concern for me....big brother and all that stuff, iykwim.
 
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What were MB's and DW's mood after the cigarello deal? What would make two guy's who roughed up a store owner, well maybe only one of those two..., what were their moods? In fifteen minutes, would they be back to normal? Robbed the guy who cares? leveled out? No worries? An officer approaches them. One already when the incident was reported to be patrolling the area with no luck. Did they ditch behind houses? Cars beforehand. Beforehand meaning before DW happened upon them?

Of course I'll never know some or most of those answers.
 
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nah...they've got nothing on this guy. When this all ends, the record will show so clearly that OW acted perfectly in the entire situation and he will have a very good shot at a plethora of legal settlements against a LOT of these organizations with deep pockets - it will backfire. Go after the Al Sharptons, the NAACP, CNN, et al of all those people who said, or allowed to be said, that he executed this man in cold blood. There will show a LOT of libel and slander against his good name.

Pretty sure people have a first amendment right to speak out against what they feel may be police brutality. I guess we'll see.

ETA: Also, Al Sharpton was pretty careful - he spoke in generalities, not specifics in the funeral speech. I don't think general statements can be considered libel or slander.
 
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Can I ask what kinds of "high powered" weapons you are speaking of?

I have no idea what they are- but they look like what they used to call machine guns? Big long black ones with shoulder straps. I commute right past the WTC, where it is common, but other big commuter hubs have them too. We have so many different forces, NY , NJ, and Port Authority, as well as a mix of military these days. I actually think it's the PA that carry the big guns most frequently. I think- but I try not to stare at them!
 
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I saw that.
He had it and then it was gone.
I am ticked because some MSM blurred it out of those robbery video.
Seriously? I don't trust the media at all.

995910fd5ccd644ce802c0b79c4a0480.jpg


7eb98120cca9e75253882591a1e25850.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-arrest-warrant-theft-busted-lying-cops.html
http://www.wptv.com/web/wptv/news/n...nity-outraged-after-police-fatally-shoot-teen

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Thanks for those pics. And the bracelet is clearly there at [:47 sec.] when DJ reaches out to accept the box of cigars from MB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMAUgRfzJDU
 
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This will end up with the Officer involved losing his job and Michael Brown's family getting a civil settlement.
I totally agree with that outcome if it happens.
IMO too much police force on Michael Brown.
And please-leave his juvenile record out of this all.
How many amongst us have a child with a juvie record? And how many of our children have been used by thugs to be the fall guy/girl by way of size, beauty, naivety....
Jmo

BBM

Starry, I would hope that everyone here hasn't had a child or children with a juvenile record.

We raised 5 children. Not one of them has a juvenile record of any kind. They don't have any adult records either.

They were never even called to the office when they were in school. We always taught them to respect and abide by the law and they all do to this day and are now grown with law abiding children of their own.

If MB had lived and had been arrested for a Class A & B Felony his juvenile record would be entered in court. I think I remember seeing them in other court cases. Isn't that the purpose of keeping a juvenile record sealed? So if they don't go on to commit any adult crimes it doesn't hurt them? But I was under the impression once they do adult crimes their juvenile record is no longer sealed.

As far as MBs juvenile record being revealed I do think it is relevant if the record is recent when he was 16 or 17. If it shows a pattern of violence I think it should be revealed. We already know the day this happened MB was very aggressive so if he had a pattern of being aggressive/violent I think that should be known.

IMO
 
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We are on a message board though and not in a court of law. UIPG is a judicial standard that only jurors have to abide by when they sit down before the evidence begins. They are to presume the defendant is innocent until evidence proves otherwise.

But I do agree with you in a way. From day one of this nightmarish case OWs constitutional rights have been totally ignored by the many angry protestors, political talking heads/AA leaders, reporters, and lawyers connected to this case. The Black Panther party have called for OWs death. All of these people have already found OW guilty even without a GJ indictment much less a trial. And not only have they presumed he is guilty they have made terroristic threats as well.

But here at WSs it is a different guideline. We can have our own personal opinions one way or the other as long as we do it without violating TOS. So some will make MB into the innocent one and some will think this case is looking like a justifiable homicide and will be more supportive toward OW. We also can change our opinions at anytime if further evidence leads us one way or the other.

As of now I do support OW. In his 6 years as a law enforcement officer he has never had one complaint of wrongdoing. All the media outlets have tried their best to find any dirt on him and they have found nothing. So for him to just blatantly mow someone down for the hell of it doesn't match the character of OW that has been released. He not only had no complaints but he had recently received a commendation.

Imo, MB was a felon who was fleeing in order to escape being arrested. It is hard for me to just ignore the big elephant in the room. He not only had committed a strong armed robbery, assaulted, and bullied a small store clerk that day which made him a felony suspect but IMO within 15 minutes he also assaulted OW.

But as I said, if any information comes out against OW I will change my opinion if real evidence proves to me this shooting wasn't a justifiable homicide.

IMO

BBM, no link needed

Do you have a link to support that it is a fact MB was fleeing a crime scene? Thanks!

Getting the hang of this link thing!
 
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Now, a friend going by “Jodie” claims to be friends with Officer Wilson, the man who killed Michael Brown. She called in to “The Dana Show” program to offer what she sees as Mr. Wilson’s side. She claims that the officer did approach Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson telling them to get out the street. She says that according to Darren, the boys started cursing and then he noticed the cigars. As the officer tried to get out of his vehicle, Mr. Brown allegedly shoved the door violently on him. Wilson tried again to get out but allegedly Michael Brown rushed him, shoved him back in the car, and punched him in the face. “Jodie” goes on to say that there was a struggle for the gun, which includes it pointing at the officer’s hip, before he managed to “shove it away” and the gun went off.

She then says the two boys took off running and taunted the officer verbally, when suddenly, Brown started rushing towards the officer so Mr. Wilson shot him. “Jodie”seems to imply that Darren Wilson believed Michael was “on something”. She claims:

“He really thinks he was on something because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable.” (Jodie)

She says that the final shot was in the forehead about two to three feet away from Mr. Wilson. She also believes that evidence will show Michael Brown was not shot in the back, as some have alleged.


http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/...lling-of-michael-brown-as-told-by-his-friend/

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Do you have a link or are you paraphrasing?
 
  • #1,334
The question is, if MB did have a juvenile record he would have known what to do when an officer places you under arrest. That would be important information in OW's defense, would it not?

It would also show the extend of brutality MB was capable of, IMO.
 
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BBM

Starry, I would hope that everyone here hasn't had a child or children with a juvenile record.

We raised 5 children. Not one of them has a juvenile record of any kind. They don't have any adult records either.

They were never even called to the office when they were in school. We always taught them to respect and abide by the law and they all do to this day and are now grown with law abiding children of their own.

If MB had lived and had been arrested for a Class A & B Felony his juvenile record would be entered in court. I think I remember seeing them in other court cases. Isn't that the purpose of keeping a juvenile record sealed? So if they don't go on to commit any adult crimes it doesn't hurt them? But I was under the impression once they do adult crimes their juvenile record is no longer sealed.

As far as MBs juvenile record being revealed I do think it is relevant if the record is recent when he was 16 or 17. If it shows a pattern of violence I think it should be revealed. We already know the day this happened MB was very aggressive so if he had a pattern of being aggressive/violent I think that should be known.

IMO

Ditto...


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Oceanblueyes..with all due respect-some persons here do have offspring with records. It may show a criminal pattern for Michael but it is hardly fodder for public scrutiny. Just my opinion-I am endeared towards young peeps in trouble Nd especially their reputations.

This whole case makes me sad sad sad.

Thank you for posting-you are one of my heroes here on Websleuths.
 
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Geesh! You're lightening fast! I added it:)


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Fast fingers. LOL Now that is different from what I have seen posted here where they said Josie reported that OW backed up his vehicle after leaving. Have to check on this one because it's reported in a political paper.
 
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....and wouldn't you agree that there's a fine line between what can be viewed as defensive and offensive? The lines between the two can blur so very quickly. Listen, I am a supporter of LE but can tell you that the investment in military products (given from our military to our police; local and national forces) is something we all should keep our eye on. It is a lot more involved than what the police are wearing or what type of vehicle they drive. Down the road, "defensively" they could patrol your backyard with drones or blast the air with the ear-piercing sound whenever there's a criminal on the loose. That's just a few examples and maybe that's nothing to some but it is something of concern for me....big brother and all that stuff, iykwim.

I don't think the line IS that thin. Defensive PROTECTS you from stuff coming AT you, offensive throws stuff AT other people.
 
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Fast fingers. LOL Now that is different from what I have seen posted here where they said Josie reported that OW backed up his vehicle after leaving.

I'm looking for the original transcript...
Or actual audio to compare..


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