MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[Phoebeb]

Indeed...if I have to try and put a nice spin on the witnesses, I would say they all gave accounts in an effort to support Mike's mother. I don't think Tiffany or Piaget saw a thing, I question how much of Dorian's account is true. I question if he didn't flee around a building once the altercation started. Not once have I seen an episode of any police reality TV where one dude stood there like a wallflower when action starts. Perhaps there were occupied cars in that street, perhaps Dorian saw the whole thing, I don't know for a fact either way. I know I'd love to interview him myself.

IIRC, on Black Canseco's video, one of the witnesses overheard said something about the guy with the dreads , he saw him running through here earlier, back where I stay. Something to that effect- Maybe DJ crouched for a minute then ran his butt off to his apartment, came back, not knowing whether to admit he was there- he had to make some quick decisions in just a few minutes.
Probably weighed whether it was better to act like he wasn't with MB at all and just ran up to the scene like so many other neighbors, or whether to construct a story quickly of what happened. He did remove his black tee and slung it over his shoulder- wonder if that was so he wasn't recognized by OW... all jmo

 

[Spellbound]

Or it mysteriously broke/fell off on it's own.

At first it looked like a bullet casing, but it's too "gold" imo.
I just noticed the blood. It's not photo shopped out in this picture like it is in most photos.
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Has this been confirmed to be a bracelet? It looks like a whistle to me. JMO, tho

 

[Oceans]

Thanks everyone for checking out the video with the "blood" on the police car. I agree, it's probably just the orange cone shining through from the other side.

I looked at the video several times and compared vehicles and the position of the one in question (with the "blood" on). The cones are on the other side of that vehicle. There is as well MB's cap. And I believe, his flip flops (seen in the video at 33). I believe that is were some "action" took place.

I look forward when some official statements are made by LE/FBI if and where any blood was.

 

[Frydaddy]

I think people do a lot more than what is presented widely in the media. So people aren't aware, and assume.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off

Can you give me the dates of the meetings, explain to me what plan of action came from the meetings, etc? I ask because Stewart didn't mention any results. It's a results oriented business, six decades and $6T thrown at a problem that doesn't appear much better now than it was then. Not to mention I don't consider Sharpton or Jackson to be leaders, as they have no real power to induce change. They pander just as hard as politicians. Summits, marches, protests, what results are accomplished from them?

 

[cady]

Has this been confirmed to be a bracelet? It looks like a whistle to me. JMO, tho

To me, it looks identical to the bracelet or watch on DJ in the robbery video. It was not on his wrist, but around his hand (but not thumb). In both pics, there is a small round black circular spot in the middle, which is why I think it could also be a watch. JMO

 

[katydid23]

In the last pic, it clearly shows that the shopowner was trying to block MB from leaving the store. He was trying to hold the door shut so MB could not open it. That is why MB shoved him out of the way. A lot of posters continuously say that MB was walking out, and then he just turned around just for the heck of it and just because he felt like it, and shoved the shopowner. And then this is used to explain why they think MB did the exact same thing to OW.

As you can see from the pic and the videotape, MB pushes the shopowner as a result of the shopowner trying to block him from leaving the store. MB then pushes the shopowner out of the way.

I am just stating this because I feel that many posters are distorting what the videotape shows. Again, it is usually made to sound like the shopowner was just standing there, and MB suddenly just turns around and decides to assault him.

The shopowner was trying to use his body to keep MB from leaving the store.

I feel very bad for what the shopowner went through. But let's look at this objectively, folks. If a group of young men come in to rob my store, I am not, as the shopowner, going to put my body in front of the door they are using to get out of the store. That is just asking to get shoved out of the way at best, and at worst to get shot and killed. If he was trying to keep the door shut so MB could not leave, what did he think was going to happen? He was a small guy and he was trying to take on 3 men all by himself.

I imagine this will get responses such as "oh so now you're blaming the shopowner?"

But I am not falling for that. Any person with common sense knows what to expect if they try to use their body to keep a thief from leaving the building. I feel sympathy for the shopowner, however I am also looking at this objectively, and I am not distorting the facts to make fit it into my narrative that MB is a monster. He had just stolen something, and then the shopowner himself decided to jump in front of him and hold the door closed so he couldn't get out. Was this a wise move?

It was NOT that MB was going out, and then just decided to for the fun of it turn around and shove the man.

JMO.

Have you viewed the entire tape? Because AFTER Mb first grabs the clerk by the neck and shoves him, THEN he comes back at him another time, and the clerk was NOT blocking his way then. :no:

 

[branwynbreeze]

Found this re-enactment vid based on eye witness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEh4LqMW2Jk

 

[Bernina]

Wow. I would have thought they wouldn't want to kill a person even if they are a suspect or whatever. I'd think they would want to eliminate the threat by disabling them, at least if they're "unarmed". I can see that being the case if they are armed, for sure. Interesting.

That was the response to a "lethal threat".
When I went through CCW, you did NOT shoot to disable, you shot to KILL. Pulling a weapon and NOT firing could be considering "brandishing/threatening" and the law back then in Az was "retreat" and "de-escalation". Currently, it is "Stand your ground" and "Castle".
LE's "when to fire" policies are State by State, and jurisdictional.

 

[Tawny]

That was the response to a "lethal threat".
When I went through CCW, you did NOT shoot to disable, you shot to KILL. Pulling a weapon and NOT firing could be considering "brandishing/threatening" and the law back then in Az was "retreat" and "de-escalation". Currently, it is "Stand your ground" and "Castle".
LE's "when to fire" policies are State by State, and jurisdictional.

I know there's a difference between LE/Military training and civilian CCW training. I've gone through military small arms fire training as well as civilian CCW training. It makes sense now that you cleared up the answer was in regards to "lethal threat" Thanks

ETA: All other info aside, would an "unarmed" man, even as an aggressor, be considered a "lethal threat"?

 

[Minette]

:tinfoil: alert!

So it has always seemed strange to me how this thing blew up so fast, got ugly so fast, despite a lot of evidence that would have been plainly visible such as the fact that he had NOT been shot in the back as dozens of people had ample time to observe as his body was exposed for so long. Yet 'he was on the ground and the officer stood over him shooting him' story got legs and pretty much became accepted fact.

And then I thought, so a White House staffer went to high school with MB's mom, and there was already an activist on the ground. Did the story get a little high level 'push' in a certain direction? Does green shirt guy live there, or why was he there? Things that make you go hmmmmm.

All wild speculation!

 

[SStarr33]

Nope, same video as post #134. You are right, relooking at it, you can see from the front passenger wheel and silouette of undercarriage, there is no running board.

But the window is up, and the door shut, none of which makes sense, IMHO - if it is even the correct car. Really hoping the crime scene is not compromised!

Why wouldn't the window be up? He drove away before he realized that MB was the liquor store thief.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Another re-enactment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFSNynnWW04

 

[Amber29]

Nope, same video as post #134. You are right, relooking at it, you can see from the front passenger wheel and silouette of undercarriage, there is no running board.

But the window is up, and the door shut, none of which makes sense, IMHO - if it is even the correct car. Really hoping the crime scene is not compromised!

In the close up picture that's been linked showing the "bracelet", there is clearly a running board on the SUV. So I don't know which one is supposed to be ODWs or why some would have them and others not.

Personally I don't know what to think about the blood possibly being seen but I do think there are running boards on the SUVs.

 

[Trident]

Care to elaborate? That's a pretty broad statement.

This entire post.

In the last pic, it clearly shows that the shopowner was trying to block MB from leaving the store. He was trying to hold the door shut so MB could not open it. That is why MB shoved him out of the way. A lot of posters continuously say that MB was walking out, and then he just turned around just for the heck of it and just because he felt like it, and shoved the shopowner. And then this is used to explain why they think MB did the exact same thing to OW.

As you can see from the pic and the videotape, MB pushes the shopowner as a result of the shopowner trying to block him from leaving the store. MB then pushes the shopowner out of the way.

I am just stating this because I feel that many posters are distorting what the videotape shows. Again, it is usually made to sound like the shopowner was just standing there, and MB suddenly just turns around and decides to assault him.

The shopowner was trying to use his body to keep MB from leaving the store.

I feel very bad for what the shopowner went through. But let's look at this objectively, folks. If a group of young men come in to rob my store, I am not, as the shopowner, going to put my body in front of the door they are using to get out of the store. That is just asking to get shoved out of the way at best, and at worst to get shot and killed. If he was trying to keep the door shut so MB could not leave, what did he think was going to happen? He was a small guy and he was trying to take on 3 men all by himself.

I imagine this will get responses such as "oh so now you're blaming the shopowner?"

But I am not falling for that. Any person with common sense knows what to expect if they try to use their body to keep a thief from leaving the building. I feel sympathy for the shopowner, however I am also looking at this objectively, and I am not distorting the facts to make fit it into my narrative that MB is a monster. He had just stolen something, and then the shopowner himself decided to jump in front of him and hold the door closed so he couldn't get out. Was this a wise move?

It was NOT that MB was going out, and then just decided to for the fun of it turn around and shove the man.

JMO.

Others may think it fine, A-OK to blame a strong-arming on the little shopkeeper, even though there was a disclaimer given to ward off criticism. Well, I don't. I can't even believe anyone would try to blame the shopkeeper, who was just robbed, disclaimer or no, for his own manhandling.

:cow:

 

[Bernina]

I know there's a difference between LE/Military training and civilian CCW training. I've gone through military small arms fire training as well as civilian CCW training. It makes sense now that you cleared up the answer was in regards to "lethal threat" Thanks

ETA: All other info aside, would an "unarmed" man, even as an aggressor, be considered a "lethal threat"?

I'm born and raised Arizonan, so my view on firearms is going to be incredibly different than those from other states. Arizona doesn't require a Az CCW anymore for a concealed weapon, and we were always able to "carry" if the firearm was in plain site. Arizona has one of the most lenient set of laws regarding firearms.

"Unarmed" but "aggressor"....... that definitely would be a case by case situation. Here it's probably considered "suicide by cop" and the aggressor has a weapon of some sort.
I just don't comprehend someone rushing LE unless they had a death wish.

 

[cady]

Is there a good photo of OW's SUV anywhere? Sheesh, you'd think that some reporter's camera person would have gotten one. All those people gathered with cell phones and cameras and no one wants a good shot of the SUV???? grrrr. JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

IDK it kind of looks like a shell casing to me. From what I saw from the Jodi trial, when they were showing the shell casing. Also, where do you see the blood, can you point it out to me please? TIA.

Could be a crack in the road. I can't clean it up enough to tell.

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[Spellbound]

Hope this works:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/mic...uson-shooting/

If not, it is in Ocean's post at 134 from 11:29 am today. At 1:57 you need to freeze it.
Does it look like it's on the ground by the passenger side, or on a running board to you? Thanks!

WOW! This video shows what I believe is blood on the police car! It's at 1:57

The bracelet was photographed at the scene on the ground next to OW police car.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

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From the above linked video , the closest I can pause with a police car is at 1:51. I don't see blood on the car , but something underneath on the passenger side (on the ground ). I took a few screen shots from the video http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

 

[bettybaby00]

:tinfoil: alert!

So it has always seemed strange to me how this thing blew up so fast, got ugly so fast, despite a lot of evidence that would have been plainly visible such as the fact that he had NOT been shot in the back as dozens of people had ample time to observe as his body was exposed for so long. Yet 'he was on the ground and the officer stood over him shooting him' story got legs and pretty much became accepted fact.

And then I thought, so a White House staffer went to high school with MB's mom, and there was already an activist on the ground. Did the story get a little high level 'push' in a certain direction? Does green shirt guy live there, or why was he there? Things that make you go hmmmmm.

All wild speculation!

:lol: tinfoil alert :lol:

I get what you're saying. IMO the line has been blurred in this case, and although I can understand the empathy shown, I'm not sure it's being handled the right way. The cases they are choosing to show such empathy can certainly be questioned, and it's being done in this case before knowing all the facts.

Completely my opinion.

 

[Amber29]

From the above linked video , the closest I can pause with a police car is at 1:51. I don't see blood on the car , but something underneath on the passenger side (on the ground ). I took a few screen shots from the video http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

Yeh I think that's the SUV being discussed, great shot and clearly a cone on the ground behind it also not ODWs SUV.