MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[CoolJ]

A pause in the firing would tell me that Wilson paused to see if Brown was stopping his advance towards Wilson or if Brown was continuing to advance towards Wilson. If Brown had stopped, the firing would not have continued. However, since it did continue, then the threat was not over and Wilson was still being charged at.

MOO

This is one explanation, sure. However there could be many other explanations.

 

[Linda7NJ]

My problem with this is that you are assuming all the second hand information about what happened is true. We don't have DW statement about what happened at the car. We don't know.

I have the admissions from Parks, I have Wilson's "friend" and I have a statement from the chief or whoever the guy was that released the robbery video.

That's enough for me. I am comfortable connecting dots.

It's ludicrous IMO to think Wilson grabbed Brown by the throat and attempted to pull him in the car. In the words of Mark Fuhrman ...that's just stupid. That ridiculousness is further backed up by the FACT there is not a mark on Brown's neck.

And the admission from all sides the weapon discharged in the SUV.





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[TheDuchess]

Piaget Crenshaw's. She did an interview where she talks about OW being stunned or bewildered after the shooting and her video is shown in background.

Anyone have a link? Not asking because I doubt anyone. Just because I don't remember seeing that interview. TIA.

 

[TorisMom003]

BBM

We all grieve differently. This I understand.

However, if my child was shot and killed by a LEO; (or anyone else for that matter); I can assure you that I would be unable to speak at all. I would be heavily medicated, or in a psychiatric hospital/facility in a comatose state... you get the idea.

I also understand that we need to tread carefully in speaking of the family; they are grieving for certain. I respect that. Unfortunately, my respect for the mother/family does have a limit as to what is acceptable regarding public statements that have been made. Irresponsibly is the kindest adjective I can think of at the moment, as to their conduct and what they have stated thus far.

However, I firmly believe that the mother/family's behavior did indeed add "fuel to the fire" in the aftermath of MB's death. Additionally; Al Sharpton et al were permitted to stand side by side with the family. The portion that I have bolded in your post is positively inexcusable; as I firmly believe this was not a race case until the family and their cohorts started to speak publicly. The italicized portion of my previous sentence indicates choice.

This case is about choices. The choice to strong arm, bully and rob a shopkeeper. The choice to not comply with LEO's commands. The choice to dangerously engage a LEO. It's sad really, this could have turned out differently if MB hadn't made fatal choices.

I agree with you. I bit my tongue (so to speak) when it came to discussing the funeral. There was more than one instance of the family and their "spokesperson" (for lack of a better word) once again trying to inflame people and the situation. Then to have Brown's father ask for peace for THAT night?!? Really? NOW you are asking for peace? Why? Because now the town in which you buy your items from is being burned? Where was the asking of peace beforehand? No. I don't agree with the family and their people at all. If they want the truth to come out then they needed to say so to everyone instead of spouting over and over things that they did not know to be true and some things that they knew were lies. I do feel sorry for them, that their son died. However they need to take some personal responsibility for that themselves, something they appear to have failed to teach their son.

MOO

 

[Phoebeb]

If the audio of the shooting is authenticated and true, I believe all the shots heard could have occurred as MB and OW approached each other. Mike Brady said the officer was taking long steps and had his gun drawn. The witnesses could have perceived that as OW shooting as MB was running away, when it was really OW telling him to freeze as he ran after MB telling him to stop.
I don't think the 3 second pause is a long enough time for MB to stop his large self in his tracks from a fast run, then pivot, then get his hands up, then say "don't shoot" all within those 3 seconds.
To me it makes more sense that OW followed with his gun drawn and began shooting after MB turned around and approached OW, the 3 second pause imo was to reassess the threat of 300 pounds racing towards him. The witness on Black Canseco's video said he thought the officer kept missing him as he was running back toward the car (or did he say toward the "cop"?)
All JMO...

 

[CoolJ]

I am unsure as to how this determination has been brought about. It definitely does matter what was going on in Brown's head at the time. It matters if Brown decided that he was NOT going to be arrested now that he was an adult and he tried to take Wilson's gun. It matters if Brown decided that he was going to attack Wilson, both in the SUV and outside of the SUV. It matters a lot as to what was going on in Brown's head.

MOO

I disagree, the only thing that matters with regards to MB are his actions. What was going on in his head is completely irrelevant. IMO

 

[al66pine]

I think the reason this was so out of control from the beginning is because of the way it was handled by the police. They left MB out there for 4 hours and he was uncovered way too long. They would not comment on anything and hid the identity of the officer. They did not come forth with good information from the start.
If this was handled better, I don't believe we would have seen half the mayhem we did.

. BBM

1 min uncovered may be too long; 4 hrs uncovered may not be not too long. IDK.
How long - in minutes or hours - was he uncovered?

Within past week, I posted re this, and linked to MSM, quoting a named official (not just a 'source close to investigation')
saying he was uncovered - ~10-20min (IIRC)
Sorry no link handy, and cannot seem to search my own posts to locate source & time. Maybe someone else can, pls?

If you can pls, MSM link, naming a name and quoting length of time in min or hrs. Thx in adv.

 

[LambChop]

Who is Officer Wilson:


In February 2014, Wilson received a commendation for "extraordinary effort in the line of duty" from the City of Ferguson.[34][35] The citation was related to an incident in which he struggled with and detained for arrest a driver that police said was preparing a large amount of marijuana for sale.[36] According to the Washington Post, Wilson subdued a man during the middle of a drug transaction. A family member said she was relieved her relative was not badly injured

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown

http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti..._on_police_force_disbanded_amid_racial_tensi/

 

[Linda7NJ]

Or maybe this scenario just doesn't happen very often.

Protocols are in place for a reason.

To allow him to flee isn't protocol.
The sworn duty is to PREVENT dangerous suspects from obtaining a weapon or taking hostages. Law enforcement isn't going to just "let him go"
The situation could have escalated into something far far worse.
Thanks to officer Wilson, that didn't happen.

All IMO


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[TorisMom003]

I disagree, the only thing that matters with regards to MB are his actions. What was going on in his head is completely irrelevant. IMO

Agree to disagree. However I will say this one final thing on the subject. A persons thoughts tend to dictate what their actions will be. Considering that Brown's actions were to assault a police officer and try to take his gun, then his thoughts are definitely a big part of it and completely relevant.

MOO

 

[Phoebeb]

Anyone have a link? Not asking because I doubt anyone. Just because I don't remember seeing that interview. TIA.

Here it is around 1:30 you see OW talking to another officer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F-ba5KwP_A

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Protocols are in place for a reason.

To allow him to flee isn't protocol.
The sworn duty is to PREVENT dangerous suspects from obtaining a weapon or taking hostages. Law enforcement isn't going to just "let him go"
The situation could have escalated into something far far worse.
Thanks to officer Wilson, that didn't happen.

All IMO


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Actually to shoot someone who is fleeing is not protocol either unless it is a particular circumstance that warrants it. He is not just allowed to shoot after a cigar thief.

I still think there is a lot more to this story that we have not heard yet.

 

[jmcgladr]

Protocols are in place for a reason.

To allow him to flee isn't protocol.
The sworn duty is to PREVENT dangerous suspects from obtaining a weapon or taking hostages. Law enforcement isn't going to just "let him go"
The situation could have escalated into something far far worse.
Thanks to officer Wilson, that didn't happen.

All IMO


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bbm

The situation could also quite possibly have been de-escalated, into something far far better (i.e. Brown survived and OW didn't have to live with having shot someone to death).

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Agree to disagree. However I will say this one final thing on the subject. A persons thoughts tend to dictate what their actions will be. Considering that Brown's actions were to assault a police officer and try to take his gun, then his thoughts are definitely a big part of it and completely relevant.

MOO

Allegedly. I think people are taking that as fact and we just don't have that fact yet.

 

[Truthy]

I have been away much of the week from this thread/case. Hase Baden now stated something other than what he originally stated which I took to mean:

a) I am limited somewhat by the lack of certain evidence and the fact that a previous autopsy has been performed.

b) MB was shot in his front but it is possible one of those wounds came to his inner forearm while running away we just don't know

c) All of his wounds were non fatal saving the last shot which entered the top of his skull

He reiterated B, rgarding the graze wound. Wonder why anyone thinks this is new info? Sure isn't news to me.
There is a link a page back.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Actually to shoot someone who is fleeing is not protocol either unless it is a particular circumstance that warrants it. He is not just allowed to shoot after a cigar thief.

I still think there is a lot more to this story that we have not heard yet.

Maybe you haven't heard it yet?

I have never once claimed he was shot because he was a cigar thief,


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[CoolJ]

The laws aren't "fuzzy" at all. Tennesse vs. Garner. (again)

I think I'll put that in my siggy line.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/opinion/omara-use-of-force-brown-case/index.html

 

[Oceans]

And officials were contending with what they described as “sheer chaos” on Canfield Drive, where bystanders, including at least one of Mr. Brown’s relatives, frequently stepped inside the yellow tape, hindering investigators. Gunshots were heard at the scene, further disrupting the officers’ work.
“Usually they go straight to their jobs,” Officer Brian Schellman, a county police spokesman, said of the detectives who process crime scenes for evidence. “They couldn’t do that right away because there weren’t enough police there to quiet the situation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...meline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html?_r=0

re a question posed earlier by Oceans. No time given for when crime scene tape went up

BBM. Thanks for checking the article for the crime scene tape.

I just watched the video of Piaget Crenshaw again, where she claims she started videotaping the event 30 seconds after the actual shooting. In her video, however, the crime scene tape can already been seen. Which makes me skeptical about her statement. JMO.

In that video, a second police officer can be seen, standing beside ODW. Is it known who that officer is? IMO, could be one of the first police officers arriving at the scene as a backup and he might have been the one to secure the scene by putting up the police tape. However, I'm just guessing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

bbm

The situation could also quite possibly have been de-escalated, into something far far better (i.e. Brown survived and OW didn't have to live with having shot someone to death).

I'm sure that's a very easy statement to make tucked safely at home...

I don't doubt for an instant that Wilson feared Brown. He had every reason to. I can certainly empathize with that.

IMO




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[CoolJ]

If Brown was trying to attack Wilson, yet again, and began running towards him then yes it is a justified shooting. However, there are "witnesses" that claim that Brown had his hands in the air trying to surrender when he was shot. That was the point in my post. That is why the protestors were saying Hands up! Don't shoot! That has been the narrative for a while now from the Brown supporters. However, I do not believe that Brown had his hands in the air trying to surrender. I also don't believe that Wilson's telling of what happened while include that either.

MOO

The point I.am trying to make here is that it doesn't matter what the brown supporters are saying, if they are right or wrong. What matters is what happened on that street on that day.