MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[jmcgladr]

Sure, why not? We don't even know his grades or what his academic talents were. Also, while it's a fine course of study, it's not a Master's degree in particle physics or something. It's designed for recent high school graduates. So assuming he graduated with good standing, I don't see why he couldn't have done it. You sure don't know that he couldn't, for a fact!

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[popsicle]

Robert Cohen ‏@kodacohen 7m
March on Ferguson through Canfield Green apartments. #Ferguson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwUtLVbCMAA_dsS.jpg

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sorry, what part was unclear? He had finished high school (big accomplishment in some poorer U.S. neighborhoods) and he was enrolled in a vocational college program (even bigger accomplishment, given the circumstances). I was allowed to live at home and "just" be a student at age 18. Not that uncommon for someone to focus on their studies at that age.

I would need verification he was even enrolled ....

"Focused on his studies"... Seems highly unlikely to me based on his criminal behavior.

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[katydid23]

You cannot convince me that the American public wants peace. Not with all the constant wars, not with the militarized police, not with all the citizens that are armed to the teeth. That's not the kind of "peace" I want! Also, other countries have laws too. And police officers. Even prisons. What we don't have is nearly as many police killings or citizen killings.

wow. really?

 

[DebinGA]

Sure, why not? We don't even know his grades or what his academic talents were. Also, while it's a fine course of study, it's not a Master's degree in particle physics or something. It's designed for recent high school graduates. So assuming he graduated with good standing, I don't see why he couldn't have done it. You sure don't know that he couldn't, for a fact!

(ETA: Response to post 1079)

I seem to have upset you. I would like to think Normandy HS wasn't the hell-hole described by the many articles explaining what led to their losing their accreditation. That's the worst thing that can happen to any high school imo. It means most colleges won't accept credits from that school. It signifies something almost criminally irresponsible has occurred imo. I don't "fault" MB for spending his last two yrs. there. I fault his parents for failing to convince him to avail himself of the all-expenses paid option available to any NHS student who wanted to transfer to a much better school when NHS lost its seal of approval.

 

[Lovejac]

Robert Cohen ‏@kodacohen 7m
March on Ferguson through Canfield Green apartments. #Ferguson

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwUtLVbCMAA_dsS.jpg

I can't tell from that picture, but I wonder if the roses and candles are still lining the street.

 

[gngr~snap]

Alternative schools are a godsend for teachers who've had to deal with disruptive, incorrigible students and finally get to teach in peace when they're gone. Alternatives schools are also a blessing for students incapable of following the rules in a normal school situation, offering a second chance for any student willing to accept it. That MB changed high schools 4 times is very relevant to me when assessing his degree of impulse control and emotional stability imo.

In a period of one week MB graduated, robbed a store, refused to comply with an officers commands and ended up dead.
One - week! (well, 8 days)
What was his frame of mind?

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[CoolJ]

I would need verification he was even enrolled ....

"Focused on his studies"... Seems highly unlikely to me based on his criminal behavior.

IMO


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You can judge someone's scholastic focus from the events of one day in their life? None of which have been proven to be criminal?

 

[jmcgladr]

wow. really?

I was being a bit sarcastic, but in my defense, I was responding to a "In the USA we have laws" type statement. So yeah. OT but funny, and I think we could all use a humour break:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/perky-canada-has-own-government-laws,19927/?ref=auto

 

[CHERIE.T]

And the take away should be?

Because the message I am hearing....it's perfectly okay to commit a strong armed robbery, disobey an officer of the law and it's acceptable to assault a police officer.

Mike Brown should have been permitted to continue skipping down the street ....
Mike Brown was no saint, no innocent cherub. He's not the one to be held out as some sacrificial lamb that was slaughtered in the street.

No! The take away should be ....STOP committing violent crimes. When caught, surrender, don't flee, don't attack officers, don't reach for their guns. It's dangerous and by doing so ....death is a very real possibility.

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Said or implied here every single day.
imo

 

[Tawny]

Fight or flight response perhaps? My natural response would most certainly be to flee from an officer whom I had just had an altercation with, in which a shot was fired. Not that I'd likely get into such a situation, but if I did I wouldn't be sticking around and surrendering, I would be scared for my life!

Plenty (I'd almost go so far as to say most) people who get into a physical altercation with police and subsequently surrender do not end up dead. Fighting a cop isn't a death sentence, which is why I still feel there is likely so much more to the situation than a fight and a peaceful surrender.

 

[TheDuchess]

My son said something interesting last night. [He works for Homeland security, wears gun and vest doing security on Naval Bases. They are usually looking for terrorist but also rogue soldiers. ]

He said that if someone blindsided him in his patrol vehicle, punched him and struggled over the gun, then ran off, he would assume the perp was either 'out of his mind' and/or wanted for a serious crime. So in either case he would be considered 'dangerous' to the community and he would probably shoot to prevent him from getting away as he would be dangerous to others as well. He might hijack a car or hold hostages if he wanted to get away badly enough.

Very interesting you say that, because it really echoes what the so-called friend of his girlfriend's told the radio show.

 

[gngr~snap]

"Michael Brown officially graduated Aug. 1, later than some and months after the photo was taken. He still had credits to earn then. He was in an alternative learning program, a way to help the students facing the longest academic odds."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4d65e6-2257-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

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[UdbCrzy2]

#Ferguson captain tells protesters to move back. Instead they move closer. pic.twitter.com/zogICLmpxv

https://twitter.com/kodacohen/status/505862517332377600/photo/1

 

[Tawny]

This is quasi-off topic but bear with me, your honor, I have a point...

After the shooting of Trayvon Martin, did Zimmerman make any public statements or did he go radio silent? I didn't follow it as closely as this, so I am unsure what his actions in the days following the shooting were.

 

[Linda7NJ]

#Ferguson captain tells protesters to move back. Instead they move closer. pic.twitter.com/zogICLmpxv

https://twitter.com/kodacohen/status/505862517332377600/photo/1

What a mess


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[jmcgladr]

"Michael Brown officially graduated Aug. 1, later than some and months after the photo was taken. He still had credits to earn then. He was in an alternative learning program, a way to help the students facing the longest academic odds."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4d65e6-2257-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

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And good for him, right? We should be congratulating him posthumously, not picking on him, IMO. I'm a teacher, I can't help it - I love it when students succeed, esp. those with long odds!

 

[Truthy]

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/who-i...ing-about-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

There is absolutely nothing in that report about him waiting to answer questions before being transported to the hospital or anything at all specific about the the "facial injuries"? Was that the wrong link?

 

[popsicle]

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Robert Cohen ‏@kodacohen 12m
In the rain, a march on #Ferguson




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Robert Cohen ‏@kodacohen 16m
#Ferguson captain tells protesters to move back. Instead they move closer.

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[popsicle]

I can't tell from that picture, but I wonder if the roses and candles are still lining the street.

Everything is still there. There was a tweet with a close-up pic and I just stared at it b/c after 3 weeks I can't figure out why they still have all that stuff in the road. I don't know if the roses still trail down the road tho.