MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[Trident]

In the last pic, it clearly shows that the shopowner was trying to block MB from leaving the store. He was trying to hold the door shut so MB could not open it. That is why MB shoved him out of the way. A lot of posters continuously say that MB was walking out, and then he just turned around just for the heck of it and just because he felt like it, and shoved the shopowner. And then this is used to explain why they think MB did the exact same thing to OW.

As you can see from the pic and the videotape, MB pushes the shopowner as a result of the shopowner trying to block him from leaving the store. MB then pushes the shopowner out of the way.

I am just stating this because I feel that many posters are distorting what the videotape shows. Again, it is usually made to sound like the shopowner was just standing there, and MB suddenly just turns around and decides to assault him.

The shopowner was trying to use his body to keep MB from leaving the store.

I feel very bad for what the shopowner went through. But let's look at this objectively, folks. If a group of young men come in to rob my store, I am not, as the shopowner, going to put my body in front of the door they are using to get out of the store. That is just asking to get shoved out of the way at best, and at worst to get shot and killed. If he was trying to keep the door shut so MB could not leave, what did he think was going to happen? He was a small guy and he was trying to take on 3 men all by himself.

I imagine this will get responses such as "oh so now you're blaming the shopowner?"

But I am not falling for that. Any person with common sense knows what to expect if they try to use their body to keep a thief from leaving the building. I feel sympathy for the shopowner, however I am also looking at this objectively, and I am not distorting the facts to make fit it into my narrative that MB is a monster. He had just stolen something, and then the shopowner himself decided to jump in front of him and hold the door closed so he couldn't get out. Was this a wise move?

It was NOT that MB was going out, and then just decided to for the fun of it turn around and shove the man.

JMO.

Wow. I can't believe what I just read.

 

[gngr~snap]

WOW! This video shows what I believe is blood on the police car! It's at 1:57

I think it's the base of an orange cones on the other side of the vehicle. Moo

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[Lovejac]

High possibility. I wonder why DJ never mentioned it?

DJ mentioned seeing the muscles straining in Officer Wilson's arm as he was 'choking' MB

DJ mentioned seeing the flash come out of Office Wilson's gun.

You'd think he would be sure to make -up, err, I mean mention that Officer Wilson ripped his gold bracelet off during the struggle

 

[Frydaddy]

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A bracelet goes around the wrist. My interpretation of the area in the circle is that his wrist is at the upper left of the arc at the top of the circle, so the bracelet, if that's what that is, is wrapped around his fingers. Is there a better photo or video, I honestly don't see a bracelet.

 

[gngr~snap]

I noticed what appears to be blood on the inside visor of the cap quite a while ago and have pondered ever since. Guess I'll have to accept, for now, that that is where the cap came off, but in the earliest video taken by Piaget, there appears to be (what I thought was the cap) about 3 to 5 feet from MB's corpse, on the yellow line in the road. I saw that before CNN blurred out his corpse, but they also blurred out whatever it was I saw ahead of him. For a while I assumed it was the cap but then I saw the photos of the cap near the SUV, marked by orange cones. ?????Maybe I was just mistaken. If not, the cap (critical evidence) was moved. I find the whole crime scene disturbing. Police are stomping all over it, when there could well be blood spots, blood trail, bullet casings, bullets, etc. The gold bracelet (or watch?) is curious. Why hasn't the OW camp alleged anything about DJ? And how could he have lost the bracelet? I have no answers, just questions. JMO

I saw something too. I got a screen shot.

This is from the guy that lived in the apartment sand was tweeting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Ferguson-police-character-assassination.html
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[DebinGA]

A bracelet goes around the wrist. My interpretation of the area in the circle is that his wrist is at the upper left of the arc at the top of the circle, so the bracelet, if that's what that is, is wrapped around his fingers. Is there a better photo or video, I honestly don't see a bracelet.

In the robbery video DJ's bracelet is shown as he reaches to accept the box of cigarillos from MB ... which he later leaves on the counter.

 

[cady]

Weren't MB and DJ apparently hit by the police cruiser's door? Could the bracelet being knocked off have happened then?

Maybe. Also, in the blown up image of DJ from the robbery video, it looks to me as though the bracelet or watch is not on his wrist, but around his hand, if that's the case, it could have fallen off easily, without much force, just about anywhere in his travels. JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Who is the guy in the green? He is in all of the pictures with the witnesses... I don't want a name just wondering if he is LE or family/friend.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

Witness: Brown Was 'Shot Like An Animal' …: http://youtu.be/I7tTsEYE3Ms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-Brown-did-wrong-cop-shooting-Missouri.html

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[Trident]

I guess it depends on how animalistic he acted. I'm going to wait for all the facts.

 

[Frydaddy]

In the robbery video DJ's bracelet is shown as he reaches to accept the box of cigarillos from MB ... which he later leaves on the counter.

Just watched it, thanks for the heads up. In the video, it does look like it's on the wrist unless his arm is extended down, then it slides onto his hand like it's too big.

 

[Frydaddy]

Who is the guy in the green? He is in all of the pictures with the witnesses... I don't want a name just wondering if he is LE or family/friend.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

Witness: Brown Was 'Shot Like An Animal' …: http://youtu.be/I7tTsEYE3Ms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-Brown-did-wrong-cop-shooting-Missouri.html

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In a previous thread, someone provided his name, he is a local activist/instigator if I am remembering the description of him correctly.

 

[bettybaby00]

In a previous thread, someone provided his name, he is a local activist/instigator if I am remembering the description of him correctly.

It's pretty cray cray IMO that he's right there beside "witnesses" while they give their accounts of what happened.

 

[SStarr33]

This is an extended interview with Dorian. Not sure if it has been posted. It is below the short version that I had already seen:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/13/dorian-johnson-michael-brown-eyewitness/13986845/

 

[Oceans]

I think it's the base of an orange cones on the other side of the vehicle. Moo

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Thanks for putting the picture up. That is what I saw and thought it was possibly blood.

 

[gngr~snap]

This picture of DJ giving his story is kinda funny. The guy to the left and the man in green look like someone just passed gas.
Sorry, but their faces are like WHAT STINKS???

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[cady]

OT argh, still no GJ news in Cooper Harris case........JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

Thanks! True passion!

gngr~snap just posted a video where the blood on the police car can be seen. At least, I believe, it might be blood. With the video I can hit the pause button to have a closer look, on TV it was one a second or two. It's at approx. 1:57 at the video:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/

OK-here is what I saw - I saw a very good deal of blood on the running board of the vehicle at the point where the door opens, about 12-18 inches wide and then a clear trail of blood leading down the middle of the yellow road striping. It is clear in the video that the one cone marks MBs slide (shoe) and you can clearly see the gold item off to the left. Now there are 3 cones there. I would imagine that one would be for the shoe, one for the cap and one for the blood trail. The gold item is by itself. Honestly, I can't tell if it is a casing, a bracelet or perhaps even one of the cigarillos.

Question fellow sleuthers: the drivers side door is closed in the video. I wonder if it was ever open or if that is how it was left by OW? I can't imagine him bothering to shut the door while in hot pursuit. Could he have climbed out the passenger side, perhaps after retreating from the assault in that direction? Or do you think it was shut by investigators at some point on the scene?

 

[gngr~snap]

OT argh, still no GJ news in Cooper Harris case........JMO

72 days, so they only have 18 left.
GJ has to be next week. (or not)
I bet they didn't meet this week.


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[aa9511]

Or it mysteriously broke/fell off on it's own.

At first it looked like a bullet casing, but it's too "gold" imo.
I just noticed the blood. It's not photo shopped out in this picture like it is in most photos.
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IDK it kind of looks like a shell casing to me. From what I saw from the Jodi trial, when they were showing the shell casing. Also, where do you see the blood, can you point it out to me please? TIA.

 

[bettybaby00]

OK-here is what I saw - I saw a very good deal of blood on the running board of the vehicle at the point where the door opens, about 12-18 inches wide and then a clear trail of blood leading down the middle of the yellow road striping. It is clear in the video that the one cone marks MBs slide (shoe) and you can clearly see the gold item off to the left. Now there are 3 cones there. I would imagine that one would be for the shoe, one for the cap and one for the blood trail. The gold item is by itself. Honestly, I can't tell if it is a casing, a bracelet or perhaps even one of the cigarillos.

Question fellow sleuthers: the drivers side door is closed in the video. I wonder if it was ever open or if that is how it was left by OW? I can't imagine him bothering to shut the door while in hot pursuit. Could he have climbed out the passenger side, perhaps after retreating from the assault in that direction? Or do you think it was shut by investigators at some point on the scene?

Hmmm good points. 1st regardless of what that gold object is, I would think it would have a cone by it, especially if it were a shell casing, or one of the cigar thingys. Given that, it leads me to believe it's the bracelet, and initially anyway they didn't connect it to the crime scene. The fact that DJ is clearly wearing a bracelet before the shooting, and then isn't supports this IMO. Of course, it could have fallen off anywhere too if it was too big. Who knows, it could have fallen off when DJ was throwing up back at his apt!

As for the door being opened and then closed. I can't see OW closing it after exiting the car with his weapon drawn. :dunno: