MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[ATasteOfHoney]

We might diverge there. For me, it's not what happened at the car. I think at the car, there very well could be justification given what you just said. The question for me is what was happening at the time of the fatal shooting. If MB gave himself up, might be enough for an indictment (still think conviction would be difficult). If MB was charging, then it was justified at the time of the fatal shots. A person can be the biggest piece of crap and just broke a cop's nose, but if he gives himself up, he gives himself up. If he doesn't give himself up, different story. So, 35 feet away--Did MB give himself up or did he charge? I suppose what little we know so far suggests both.

BBM: Another case of where "theory" and "reality" are juxtaposed.
Cops aren't going to say "heck, you broke my nose but I'm good with all that since now you've turned around and are giving yourself up".
They don't suffer injuries from "thugs" and then sit back and see if common sense is going to kick in in the 's mind.
Waiting for that to happen (if it ever does) would likely get LE and the community harmed.

 

[katydid23]

Please explain why a witness simply going to, and answering questions from, the media makes them less credible. In most cases, those are the only witnesses we even hear from! Unless we're on a jury or something...

I think there are witnesses, who were very close to the action, that have not done any media or gone public. And I think the reason we have not seen them is that they have told the FBI that they saw MB blindside OW and punch him in the face. I don't think these witnesses would speak publicly out of fear of retribution. But a grand jury will hear from them, but perhaps their names will be redacted.

The witnesses who went to lits of media may have been pandering to the public. Maybe some of them really didnt see much, but they feel it is their civic duty to help the grieving mother, and tell us all about the 'hands up-dont shoot' story. jmo

 

[billiejo]

For what it is worth my inner arms face to the back when in their natural position.

 

[gngr~snap]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fired-including-final-volley-kill-shots.html

I counted 11. Everyone else said 10...
At any rate, here is Glide app statement to authenticate audio.

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[ATasteOfHoney]

For what it is worth my inner arms face to the back when in their natural position.

That's because you're a cat with headphones on, Billie! (just joking)

 

[gngr~snap]

"Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck"

"Brown made it past the third car.*Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Just revising the early reports. How hard would it be to use your left arm, while sitting in the driver's seat to grab a man by the throat. There is no leverage...

Now that we have the audio his story doesn't line up with the shots we heard.
Assuming that we didn't hear the first shot. Seems like he would mention the pause. Maybe not.
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[ATasteOfHoney]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fired-including-final-volley-kill-shots.html

I counted 11. Everyone else said 10...
At any rate, here is Glide app statement to authenticate audio.

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Either way (10 or 11 shots) it is important to note that the officer did not fire his entire clip from his semi-automatic Sig Sauer .40

 

[gngr~snap]

"A previously unverified audio recording that allegedly captures the final moments of Michael Brown’s life has been verified as authentic, according to the video streaming application it was recorded on."

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/audio-gunfire-michael-brown-case-authenticated

MSM not DailyMail UK... (even though their investigative journalism far exceeds the US lately... )

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[gngr~snap]

Either way (10 or 11 shots) it is important to note that the officer did not fire his entire clip from his semi-automatic Sig Sauer .40

I agree. He had at least one bullet in the chamber.
I am of the belief that he had a 12 round magazine with one in the chamber.

*** that pesky bullet in the chamber... You CANNOT forget that one! (my husband did and he shot himself when cleaning his GLOCK...)
:doh:
It was 1996... FWIW, he went into shock immediately. No pain what- so- ever for 4 HOURS!!!
He shot himself in the Left mid forearm with a .45 hollow point.
It landed in his elbow joint and did not exit.

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[dandy]

An article about the activist activities of Anthony Shahid. Too many interesting things in here to choose to post, so I'd encourage interested posters to read the whole thing. I think it's kind of illuminating that this man is in so many pictures of the bystanders from the early hours after MB's death.

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2003-02-19/news/who-s-afraid-of-anthony-shahid/

Another, more biased article:

http://tntribune.com/community/national/anthony-shahid-remains-at-front-lines-in-ferguson/


And more links to his activist activities:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mb2_up9vt8

https://ph.celebrity.yahoo.com/phot...-outside-st-louis-county-photo-192123043.html

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=E6ECE32898BFEDD85718E6ECE32898BFEDD85718

thank you - wow, what a history he has.

i wonder how many of the plaintiffs from the $20 mil lawsuit have ties to these groups?

looks like the panthers are trying to get into the school - and i intentionally left out the color from their name.

quote:

Hipkins said his group’s lesson plan will introduce students to the history of the Black Panther movement and invite them to create their own list of demands. Huey Newton and other Panther leaders created the demands as the basis of the group’s radical, and sometimes violent, philosophy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/3...curriculum-advocates-to-craft-lesson-on-race/

 

[jggordo]

This is a link to another protest in Jasper, Texas where the Panthers were in April 2014. It was insisted that the DOJ be brought in to oversee that case of Alfred Wright also. The family and protesters insisted there was a LE "coverup" as to his cause of death. In the video you can see how the protesters are "taunting" LE and reading their name badges and calling out the names of officers, etc. Even after the investigation has been completed the family still does not accept the outcome. Even after a "second private autopsy".

Also a case where race had absolutely nothing to do with Alfred's death. But when the Panthers came to town it incited protests saying it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3kdtCGljts

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?239820-TX-Alfred-Wright-28-Jasper-7th-Nov-2013-2

 

[CoolJ]

If you would search my previous posts on this subject you'll find that I am well aware of the anatomical position used at autopsy.

I also understand the definition of "possible"

I prefer "PROBABLE"

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Fine with me. Although probable makes it more likely doesn't it? Not sure if I am ready to go that far with it. I think it is at this point "possible" that MB was shot while walking, running or facing away from OW. You say "probable", which in my mind makes it even more likely..... You said that, not me.

 

[cady]

I don't think his credibility is necessarily in question but do we even know he saw it? That's what would make him a witness, to me it is quite possible that he was just repeating something he think he heard.... Maybe none of the witnesses are out right lying, it could be possible they all saw it a different way, from different angles, distances , some seeing bits and pieces and some maybe filling in the missing pieces with what they think people want to hear. The fact we still don't know 100% what happened, first we must figure that out as accurately as possible , and then it can be decided if what we know tells us this was a justifiable killing... However it still may not be that clear cut because from what I can tell there is a very fuzzy area in the law regarding shooting a fleeing felon.

AGREE And we have no way of knowing if any of the witnesses was under the influence of illegal substances. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I didn't hear him say anything new. Seems like all his answers are "It could be"

Exactly like saying, possible. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Fine with me. Although probable makes it more likely doesn't it? Not sure if I am ready to go that far with it. I think it is at this point "possible" that MB was shot while walking, running or facing away from OW. You say "probable", which in my mind makes it even more likely..... You said that, not me.

Please do not misconstrue what I've repeatedly stated.


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[Spellbound]

I came across the ending of a C-SPAN "Town Hall on Shooting in Ferguson, Missouri" while surfing TV last night.
"Panelists talked about race relations following the August 9, 2014, police shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown and the subsequent protests in Ferguson, Missouri. "

You can catch the replay of the nearly 2 1/2 hour meeting at this link: http://www.c-span.org/video/?321158-1/town-hall-ferguson-mo-police-shooting-protests

I only caught the end, but was not impressed when Dick Gregory started out by saying the video released by LE was from June! I do remember seeing that there is a time stamp at the beginning of the video that indicates camera 6 was used, and then the correct date. I hope to have time to watch it later . We are off for a day trip now.

 

[Elley Mae]

I came across the ending of a C-SPAN "Town Hall on Shooting in Ferguson, Missouri" while surfing TV last night.
"Panelists talked about race relations following the August 9, 2014, police shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown and the subsequent protests in Ferguson, Missouri. "

You can catch the replay of the nearly 2 1/2 hour meeting at this link: http://www.c-span.org/video/?321158-1/town-hall-ferguson-mo-police-shooting-protests

I only caught the end, but was not impressed when Dick Gregory started out by saying the video released by LE was from June! I do remember seeing that there is a time stamp at the beginning of the video that indicates camera 6 was used, and then the correct date. I hope to have time to watch it later . We are off for a day trip now.

Thanks, Hope you have a good day.

 

[cady]

Personally, I like Mark Fuhrman for his insight into detective work. I watched him on the "KellyFile" last night though, where he has no more insight into this case than Joe Blow, and certainly less than we do. His whole narrative and commentary was based on the third-hand "Josie" scripted narrative. And just a reminder, for those who will disparage anyone who they suspect of lying...........Mark Fuhrman was convicted of FELONY PERJURY for a statement he made under oath in court in the OJ Simpson case. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Can I ask you to ask yourself why?

SBM

I'm not sure what you want me to ask myself. Are you asking why I think there's room for doubt or why I'd like to see more evidence?

 

[CoolJ]

Please do not misconstrue what I've repeatedly stated.


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Please clarify. You said you would rather use the term "probable" instead of possible. Probable is "more likely" than possible is it not?
I think it is my views that have been misconstrued on here.
I had spent days in here trying to get people to understand something. Those people used Dr. Badens comments to discredit me. Now that Dr. Baden has clarified his comments to agree with what I was saying all along, all of a sudden Dr. Baden can no longer be considered a credible source. Does anyone else not see what is happening here?