MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[Lovejac]

Good morning! In reading some posts from last night I see it posted about the distance being 35 feet. Has this been
verified because a quick google search shows nothing about this being a fact?

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[cady]

Please clarify. You said you would rather use the term "probable" instead of possible. Probable is "more likely" than possible is it not?
I think it is my views that have been misconstrued on here.
I had spent days in here trying to get people to understand something. Those people used Dr. Badens comments to discredit me. Now that Dr. Baden has clarified his comments to agree with what I was saying all along, all of a sudden Dr. Baden can no longer be considered a credible source. Does anyone else not see what is happening here?

I see it, but it is predictable.........so just scroll on and don't take it personally! JMO

 

[Lovejac]

I came across the ending of a C-SPAN "Town Hall on Shooting in Ferguson, Missouri" while surfing TV last night.
"Panelists talked about race relations following the August 9, 2014, police shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown and the subsequent protests in Ferguson, Missouri. "

You can catch the replay of the nearly 2 1/2 hour meeting at this link: http://www.c-span.org/video/?321158-1/town-hall-ferguson-mo-police-shooting-protests

I only caught the end, but was not impressed when Dick Gregory started out by saying the video released by LE was from June! I do remember seeing that there is a time stamp at the beginning of the video that indicates camera 6 was used, and then the correct date. I hope to have time to watch it later . We are off for a day trip now.

So MB stole from that store in June, too AND wore the same outfit in both robberies? How random ;-)

 

[DebinGA]

Good morning! In reading some posts from last night I see it posted about the distance being 35 feet. Has this been
verified because a quick google search shows nothing about this being a fact?
?

The day after the shooting St Louis PD Chief Belmar had a short press conference in which he mentioned the scene [I think he said "entire scene"] was 35 ft, but I think he meant from the police car to MB's body.

 

[LambChop]

Dr. Baden's autopsy:

There is a diagram done at the second autopsy.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

What is Dr. Baden missing?

Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.

However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.

Dr. Baden also was not able to determine:

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

 

[bettybaby00]

:seeya:catching up....and I see things got interesting :crazy:

I wonder how much of the autopsy he really did and how much his 'assistant' did. It couldn't have been very thorough, Mary Case had all of the evidence and that was turned over to the Prosecutor. Which will be kept under wraps until they are ready to release it.

So Baden is suddenly adopting the "arms are very movable" theory :facepalm:

What I'm finding interesting is that now we're seeing Baden's statements evolve. For whatever reason his autopsy results were released to the NYT in advance of their press conference. In that we're given a diagram showing MBs wounds. And it's pretty freaking clear cut. As are his statements included in the article. Yet the next day, the diagram has a new mark, a red sharpie mark indicating how 1 shot could have come from behind....and putting forth this new revelation is a man we later come to find out is a complete fraud, and who had no business standing in front of the cameras and offering his opinion. I'm no expert, but it's certainly the first time I can recall a "medical examiner" adding information that way.

Now it's two weeks later, and Fraud-essor is long gone. wonder why? But suddenly, suddenly the esteemed Dr. Baden is putting forth the fraud's theory, while still contending he doesn't have all the evidence. Without Fraud-essor to advance this theory it seems Baden has been convinced to pick up where the other left off.

Has he really not been given the other evidence as of yet? I find it hard to believe that nearly a month later there is still a lot of the forensics that haven't been done? I'm not saying there aren't still things that need to be finalized, but if you're convening a GJ they need evidence to look at. I'm sure during the 1st couple of sessions a good deal of time is spent on housekeeping issues, but after that they need evidence to consider. Will Baden be given this evidence as well? Of course he will, b/c if he doesn't get it, it will be another reason for outrage and possibly shattering the fragile peace that seems to have come over the community.

Given that I've gotta wonder if Baden has been given more info, but is continuing to say he hasn't. If true, then he can continue to present these "possible" theories, while saying he can't be absolutely conclusive b/c he hasn't examined "all the evidence."

Nice game they got going, yea?

All JMO, MOO and all that.

 

[cady]

The day after the shooting St Louis PD Chief Belmar had a short press conference in which he mentioned the scene [I think he said "entire scene"] was 35 ft, but I think he meant from the police car to MB's body.

YEP Don't you just expect that spokespersons would say exactly what they mean? It sure would be helpful, but everyone seems to craft a statement so that they can wiggle out of it later. Very irritating, and unfortunately, predictable. JMO

 

[Lovejac]

The day after the shooting St Louis PD Chief Belmar had a short press conference in which he mentioned the scene [I think he said "entire scene"] was 35 ft, but I think he meant from the police car to MB's body.

Thanks Debin. I didn't start following this case until 10 days after it happened. I'm sure I missed a lot of things from the beginning.

 

[Elley Mae]

Dr. Baden's autopsy:

There is a diagram done at the second autopsy.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

What is Dr. Baden missing?

Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.

However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.

Dr. Baden also was not able to determine:

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

I am curious about baden's statement, bbm Is that part of a coroners job to determine why a decedent received the shoots where and what the decedent was doing and thinking?

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/phil_spector/20.html

Thanks Deb

Just like this, who is he to determine what she was thinking if anything? idk jmo

When testimony resumed, Dr. Baden said that he could not conclude from the evidence that Lana Clarkson intended to kill herself. "She may have been playing with the weapon, or looking at it, or have been reckless," he said.

On cross, Baden was asked about conflicts of interest in this case because his wife, Linda Kenney Baden, is one of Spector's attorneys. "My only interest is that Mr. Spector gets a fair hearing based on the information that is available to me," Baden said. He revealed that the fee for his services in this case would be about $110,000.

 

[DebinGA]

I am curious about baden's statement, bbm Is that part of a coroners job to determine why a decedent received the shoots where and what the decedent was doing and thinking?

I guess Parcell's public contention, which Baden didn't correct, that the head shot trajectory was from back to front is now defunct? At least Baden agrees the head shot wasn't from behind.

 

[Elley Mae]

Administrators for the public school system in Washington D.C. took a less controversial approach, distributing new guidance to teachers on how to talk about Ferguson in the classroom.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/3...curriculum-advocates-to-craft-lesson-on-race/

bbm I would love to see that. I guess that is one way to keep the "story" straight, I mean History straight. jmo

 

[cady]

I guess Parcell's public contention, which Baden didn't correct, that the head shot trajectory was from back to front is now defunct? At least Baden agrees the head shot wasn't from behind.

I think the contention was that the shot to the top of the head was a shot from the front, but the trajectory was from the top of the head , through the brain, TOWARD the front of the head. JMO

 

[LambChop]

In this article Dr. Badin stated on August 18th:

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

 

[Footwarrior]

The head shot trajectory entered the top of Brown's heard at a point closer to Brown's back than it ended up. It is correct to call that back to front.

 

[oh_gal]

I think that there's room for doubt about whether or not this is a justifiable police shooting or a crimminal homicide.

The robbery is indisputable and important evidence. We don't have clear evidence yet about officer Wilson's injuries. The direction of the bullets that struck MB seem to be from the front but some question that.

I'd like to see some more evidence myself.

(above, bbm)
A criminal homicide seems unlikely with a 6 year veteran (do I have that right?) of the force, with no complaints lodged against him, only commendations. Past behavior often predicts future (or present) behavior.

 

[cady]

The head shot trajectory entered the top of Brown's heard at a point closer to Brown's back than it ended up. It is correct to call that back to front.

Right. But the shot occurred while Brown's body and head were facing OW. The anatomical trajectory was from back to front. JMO

 

[DebinGA]

The head shot trajectory entered the top of Brown's heard at a point closer to Brown's back than it ended up. It is correct to call that back to front.

Did Baden describe it that way, or only Parcells? IOW, has Baden supported that contention since and/or publicly agreed with it? "Not a doctor but I play one on tv" Parcells isn't an expert on anything imo.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

(above, bbm)
A criminal homicide seems unlikely with a 6 year veteran (do I have that right?) of the force, with no complaints lodged against him, only commendations. Past behavior often predicts future (or present) behavior.

I also think that it's unlikely, especially with what we know so far.

 

[cady]

Did Baden describe it that way, or only Parcells? IOW, has Baden supported that contention since and/or publicly agreed with it? "Not a doctor but I play one on tv" Parcells isn't an expert on anything imo.

Not sure if Baden supports that contention...I think he was standing right there at the press conf. when the contention was made and he didn't dispute it. Not sure if he has supported or disputed since then. ??? JMO