MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[jmcgladr]

You're right. Brown's family (mother specifically) said nothing about wanting this case to go to the Grand Jury. She did, however, say that she wanted Wilson put on death row.

MOO

If I was MB's mother, I might well have said the same thing while in the throes of grief over my dead son.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You think it would have been better somehow, if they immediately made the officers name public?

I think they should have handled it better. Be honest and open and don't make it seem like you are hiding anything. That is what it still looks like. That they are not being forth coming and open.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The entire "he laid out on the street too long" is a load of crap too.

It's common. Waiting hours for an ME to arrive is common, it happens all the time.

How many ME's so you think there are and what do you think they're doing all day?

Seems to be a lack of actual "real life" information that the "spinners" are feasting on and regurgitating to those naive enough to listen.

Park is now attempting to paint the Grand Jury process as slimey....eyeroll.

IMO


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I disagree. 4 hours is a lot of time. They could have covered him or put up a barrier around him to cover him from public eye.

 

[PaperDoll]

This may have been discussed, forgive me if I'm repeating a question, but wouldn't a autopsy be able to show the entry and exits wounds? From what I've seen it looks like he was shot from the front.

 

[cady]

You're right. Brown's family (mother specifically) said nothing about wanting this case to go to the Grand Jury. She did, however, say that she wanted Wilson put on death row.

MOO

MB's mother can say anything she wants, inflammatory as it may be. She is NOT a witness. JMO

 

[Kimster]

Discuss THE CASE.

Example: Someone is suing the neighbor because their dog keeps using their lawn as a bathroom.

Unacceptable comment: It's wrong to state you believe it doesn't matter that the dog uses the neighbor's yard as a bathroom. It's a dog that doesn't know better.

Acceptable comment: So what if the dog uses the neighbor's yard as a bathroom. It's a dog that doesn't know better.


(If you're missing a post, this is probably the reason).

 

[Linda7NJ]

I disagree. 4 hours is a lot of time. They could have covered him or put up a barrier around him to cover him from public eye.

And they did. He was covered in 10 minutes with some sort of sheet and later a barricade.




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[ScarlettScarpetta]

This may have been discussed, forgive me if I'm repeating a question, but wouldn't a autopsy be able to show the entry and exits wounds? From what I've seen it looks like he was shot from the front.

No. It only tells which way the bullet hit the body not where it was coming from.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And they did. He was covered in 10 minutes with some sort of sheet and later a barricade.




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I have to look that up. I still think they handled this badly from the beginning. I don't think the officer should have been walking around the scene and I think they should have gotten this handled much sooner and the body out of the street.

 

[Clar]

This may have been discussed, forgive me if I'm repeating a question, but wouldn't a autopsy be able to show the entry and exits wounds? From what I've seen it looks like he was shot from the front.

I posted the autopsy report chart on a earlier post, from the looks of it there was only 1 exit wound, which seems to be from the shot that was probably the closest and killed him. Its on page 26 of the thread. hope that helps!

 

[TorisMom003]

I do believe that LE mishandled at least one thing at the very start of this case. The witnesses should have never been allowed to congregate together and be allowed to share their versions with each other. However, I also understand that at the time LE had bigger issues on their hands that they were dealing with.

MOO

 

[bettybaby00]

I disagree. 4 hours is a lot of time. They could have covered him or put up a barrier around him to cover him from public eye.

You just bought into the spin...

They did cover him. the first EMT arrived roughly 10 minutes later (IRRC) and after examining him, covered him with a sheet, and later screens were erected.

 

[TorisMom003]

And they did. He was covered in 10 minutes with some sort of sheet and later a barricade.




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Thank you. It seems that this is being ignored and/or forgotten. Brown was in fact covered long before the ME was able to make it on the scene.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have to look that up. I still think they handled this badly from the beginning. I don't think the officer should have been walking around the scene and I think they should have gotten this handled much sooner and the body out of the street.

Well this is what happens when "what you think" collides with "reality"

<modsnip>


The fact is: there was no great urgently or need to swiftly remove Browns body. A complete and through documentation of the crime scene is necessary as is the forensic collection.

Oh and just so you know....they're quite busy too....sometimes the wait for them or certain shared equipment takes a long time.

There is no need to rush.

IMO


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[TorisMom003]

I have to look that up. I still think they handled this badly from the beginning. I don't think the officer should have been walking around the scene and I think they should have gotten this handled much sooner and the body out of the street.

Brown could not have been moved until the ME arrived on the scene. This is the same in every case where the person is clearly deceased. If there was a chance that Brown would have been saved if taken to the ER, then he would have been moved. However, LE would have not been doing their jobs correctly if they had tampered (moved Brown) the scene before it was investigated and photos, measurements, etc were taken.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I do believe that LE mishandled at least one thing at the very start of this case. The witnesses should have never been allowed to congregate together and be allowed to share their versions with each other. However, I also understand that at the time LE had bigger issues on their hands that they were dealing with.

MOO

Yeah, like gunshots fired in the vicinity ...


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[cady]

This may have been discussed, forgive me if I'm repeating a question, but wouldn't a autopsy be able to show the entry and exits wounds? From what I've seen it looks like he was shot from the front.

IMO Generally, yes, but it's more complicated. They can't know exact trajectories without knowing positions, and some exit wounds may be from re-entry wounds somewhere on the body.......JMO not a forensic pathologist!

 

[Elley Mae]

Mr. Brown and a friend, Dorian Johnson, were walking down Canfield Drive at 12:01 p.m. when Officer Darren Wilson of the Ferguson Police Department encountered them. Moments later, Mr. Brown was dead, shot at least six times by Officer Wilson.

He estimated that it had been around 12:15 when a sheet was retrieved from an ambulance and used to cover Mr. Brown.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...ys-timeline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html


14 minutes to cover the body.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well this is what happens when "what you think" collides with "reality"

<mod snip>


The fact is: there was no great urgently or need to swiftly remove Browns body. A complete and through documentation of the crime scene is necessary as is the forensic collection.

Oh and just so you know....they're quite busy too....sometimes the wait for them or certain shared equipment takes a long time.

There is no need to rush.

IMO


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There is a need to preserve evidence but there is also a need to make sure that the body is not out in the street too long. I have never seen a body lay in the middle of the street 4 hours. So that bothers me greatly.

 

[TorisMom003]

Yeah, like gunshots fired in the vicinity ...


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Exactly. LE handled the situation the best that they could. I still do wish that the "eye witnesses" had not been allowed to share with one another (and Brown's family) what they "saw". It makes it all the more difficult to get a true and accurate description as to what each person individually saw.

MOO