MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[bwt42]

Thank you..

With cases like this, I have just learned to keep a completely open mind until I get all the facts. I don't think anyone will win here. I do believe that as officers their burden to be safe and not kill anyone unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a lot of things in this case that bother me.

The crux of the problem. "absolutely necessary" is an unknown. Some would argue that short of being attacked by MB & in fear for his life OW should have used other means to subdue him.

 

[tlcya]

BBM. Is it known when the police tape was placed at the scene? Would that be done by the backup and responders? Thanks.

I do not recall if the articles I read when the scene was taped off but if you find out please link or let me know because that is a good question.

 

[TorisMom003]

I'd like to know what he was saying with animation to the officer next to him in the Piaget video while they are viewing the body. And also, what that officer is saying to him. JMO

How do we know that the officer in that video is Wilson?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you..

With cases like this, I have just learned to keep a completely open mind until I get all the facts. I don't think anyone will win here. I do believe that as officers their burden to be safe and not kill anyone unless it is absolutely necessary. I have a lot of things in this case that bother me.

Scarlett is seems you place a higher value on Michael Browns life than even he did.

On August 9th I believe Officer Wilson had every justifiable right to shoot Brown until he was perceived as no longer a threat to Wilson. IMO



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[jggordo]

I am really curious to know how people feel that this incident should have been dealt with from the beginning. I believe that the initial protests, which were legal and understandable, unfortunately attracted the media circus and everything devolved from there. But let's leave out the devolution for now, and just think about what SHOULD have been done about the incident. I'd really like to hear OPINIONS about that. Thanks. JMO

I believe that if the Coroner had released the information that MB had NOT been shot in the back immediately it would have defused some of the unrest right away. With those "witness" reports being defused early it could help to eliminate a good deal of the protester rhetoric. Also if the convenience store robbery video had been released right away, same thing. Had MB not been killed that video most likely would have been on the evening news anyway, IMO. But in contrast Crump and others were allowed for many days to claim MB was "shot in the back" and "executed" because he was black, going uncontested and not put in check. IMO it should not have taken 9-10 days to let the public know he in fact was NOT shot in the back. When it comes to the video the family attorneys and painted a picture of MB being a "gentle giant" that was simply a student getting read for college and never been in trouble. To my knowledge it was never said what tech school or "college" he was enrolled in. Much less was it ever confirmed. I feel that if he was in fact enrolled and fees paid it would be known by now. If in fact it is one more untruth the public should know, I think.

I also believe that from Day One all parties knew which way this case was headed. That Civil Rights allegations were being made. If the FBI had immediately taken the lead in the investigation right away it could have saved time and created more local LE / Community trust early on. After all that seems to be where these cases end up anyway, on a Federal level. Why not start out that way?

IIRC Dr. Baden stated that the one wound to the inside of the right arm was a grazing wound that could have been from the back or the front. I believe it was while MB was running away, and OW was aiming at the arm area not to kill him but stop him. Thus causing MB to flinch, stop and turn around. The 2-3 second hesitation in shots being while MB actually turned around and began approaching OW again. The thing that confuses me about the autopsy that is known thus far is about the number of bullets in MB's body only being three. One to the head, one to the eye angling down exiting around the jaw and lodging in the right shoulder, one apparently to the arm or upper chest area and then finally the "grazing" bullet. But what about the other two bullets? If they were not found within his body and the diagram shows no exit wounds from the back, where did they go?

JMO's

 

[Truthy]

OK folks, let's disregard what Baden is saying now too! LOL, when it looked like he was supporting the OW version of events, he was a genius world renowned ME. Now apparently he is biased and being told what to say.. Gimme a break! He is just saying what's possible, he is not leading in any direction.

Exactly, his assistant clarified some things about the grazing and arm positions, but everyone wanted to dismiss that a week ago and go with what they THOUGHT Baden was saying because it supported their take on things. Now? Not so much. All interesting, IMHO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Scarlett is seems you place a higher value on Michael Browns life than even he did.

On August 9th I believe Officer Wilson had every justifiable right to shoot Brown until he was perceived as no longer a threat to Wilson. IMO



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IMO, Everyone's life has value. I think this was a guy who had made at least one big mistake that we know of, But that does not mean that was who he was or who he was going to turn out to be. He was 18. There is a lot of time to sculpt and form a life.

 

[cady]

How do we know that the officer in that video is Wilson?

Well. I wouldn't swear it under oath, but it was compared along time ago, to his commendation photo which by general consensus, seems to be the same officer. Also, Piaget, in one of her interviews (CNN??) said that her attorney told her to not go public with her video until the Officer was officially identified, because Wilson can be seen in the video. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Scarlett, hope this helps.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...meline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html?_r=0

It was not until 12:43 p.m. that detectives from the county police force were notified of the shooting, according to county police records.... The detectives arrived around 1:30, and an hour later, a forensic investigator, who gathers information for the pathologist who will conduct the autopsy, arrived from the medical examiner’s office, said Suzanne McCune, an administrator in that office.

More at the link...

Thank you!

 

[CoolJ]

If this case does go to trial, what do you good folks think OW's defence is going to be? That he was in fear for his life, he was in fear for someone else's life, or he had the right to shoot in order to stop a fleeing felon?

 

[TorisMom003]

That he was in fear for his life. For some reason, perhaps the store video, I do believe that Brown went after Wilson before (and during) being shot.

MOO

 

[cady]

If this case does go to trial, what do you good folks think OW's defence is going to be? That he was in fear for his life, he was in fear for someone else's life, or he had the right to shoot in order to stop a fleeing felon?

All of 'em. JMO

 

[Wysteria]

If this case does go to trial, what do you good folks think OW's defence is going to be? That he was in fear for his life, he was in fear for someone else's life, or he had the right to shoot in order to stop a fleeing felon?

BBM.
That he was in fear for his life.

 

[CoolJ]

That he was in fear for his life. For some reason, perhaps the store video, I do believe that Brown went after Wilson before (and during) being shot.

MOO

Fair enough if you believe MB went after him, but OW had not seen that video and we do not know for sure if he had even known that MB was a suspect for anything other than jaywalking at that point in time.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If this case does go to trial, what do you good folks think OW's defence is going to be? That he was in fear for his life, he was in fear for someone else's life, or he had the right to shoot in order to stop a fleeing felon?

It is really hard to tell. It will depend on what comes out. It will be harder to me to claim self defense if their is a break in the bullet firing as the tape seems to show.

 

[TorisMom003]

Fair enough if you believe MB went after him, but OW had not seen that video and we do not know for sure if he had even known that MB was a suspect for anything other than jaywalking at that point in time.

He was not jaywalking at the time. Jaywalking is crossing the street when there is no light and/or crosswalk. What he was doing was walking down the middle of the road. It also does not matter at all if Wilson knew what had occurred at the store. Brown knew what had occurred and what his own state of mind was. The matter of going after a police officer has zero to do with if the police officer knew of the crime that had occurred just before, and more (everything) to do with the criminal knowing what had occurred.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO, Everyone's life has value. I think this was a guy who had made at least one big mistake that we know of, But that does not mean that was who he was or who he was going to turn out to be. He was 18. There is a lot of time to sculpt and form a life.

And the take away should be?

Because the message I am hearing....it's perfectly okay to commit a strong armed robbery, disobey an officer of the law and it's acceptable to assault a police officer.
Mike Brown should have been permitted to continue skipping down the street ....
Mike Brown was no saint, no innocent cherub. He's not the one to be held out as some sacrificial lamb that was slaughtered in the street.

No! The take away should be ....STOP committing violent crimes. When caught, surrender, don't flee, don't attack officers, don't reach for their guns. It's dangerous and by doing so ....death is a very real possibility.

All IMO


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[tlcya]

And officials were contending with what they described as “sheer chaos” on Canfield Drive, where bystanders, including at least one of Mr. Brown’s relatives, frequently stepped inside the yellow tape, hindering investigators. Gunshots were heard at the scene, further disrupting the officers’ work.
“Usually they go straight to their jobs,” Officer Brian Schellman, a county police spokesman, said of the detectives who process crime scenes for evidence. “They couldn’t do that right away because there weren’t enough police there to quiet the situation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...meline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html?_r=0

re a question posed earlier by Oceans. No time given for when crime scene tape went up

 

[nothingnew]

You're right. Brown's family (mother specifically) said nothing about wanting this case to go to the Grand Jury. She did, however, say that she wanted Wilson put on death row.

MOO

I don't remember death row, I heard death penalty. To me that means right now, none of that lazing around on death row. I think you were giving a little too much credit there, just saying.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And the take away should be?

Because the message I am hearing....it's perfectly okay to commit a strong armed robbery, disobey an officer of the law and it's acceptable to assault a police officer.
Mike Brown should have been permitted to continue skipping down the street ....
Mike Brown was no saint, no innocent cherub. He's not the one to be held out as some sacrificial lamb that was slaughtered in the street.

No! The take away should be ....STOP committing violent crimes. When caught, surrender, don't flee, don't attack officers, don't reach for their guns. It's dangerous and by doing so ....death is a very real possibility.

All IMO


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I don't see anyone saying any of those things are okay.. But they don't give you a death penalty. We don't just kill you because you stole some cigars. We don't kill you for getting fresh with an officer. It will have to be proven that this officer really did believe his life was in danger but at this point I don't know. I would love to believe all police officers act appropriately at all times but we know that is not true.

He stole cigars and pushed the clerk. Not good at all, But he did not kill anyone. He did not pummel the clerk, He did not stab the clerk.

I think there is a big difference.