MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[Trident]

So....you are not going to link the distance and the direction he was traveling in?

No need, we all saw the video. LE was in no danger. As far as I'm concerned, from what I saw, LE murdered that young man.

Inches and feet, piffle. He stood there, they shot and killed him.

My opinion, of course

 

[DebinGA]

There's an amnesty program in StL County where for $10 application and $100 bond, traffic
fees/fines are paid, resulting in a clean record.

http://fox2now.com/2014/07/23/traffic-warrant-ticket-amnesty-program-promises-clean-records/

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that the residents/visitors of your village have more disposable income than the residents of Ferguson. It wouldn't be hard, there are few spots in the USA that are MORE poor than Ferguson. IIRC, 90% of the kids at Normandy H.S. are on free or reduced school lunches. If residents can't afford food for their kids, how are they supposed to be able to afford pricey traffic fines? And everybody just moving out isn't going to do anything positive either, unless you want to see a ghost town spring up in Ferguson. I don't agree with police forces trying to get a large part of their budget from quotas and fines. I just don't.

Laws are for everyone. Period.

Cars are a luxury, if a person can't afford to maintain it legally they shouldn't own one.

It's about priorities.

My husband wants a boat in the worst way. We can afford to buy the boat...but not all of the other costs associated with it...

guess what...we are not getting a boat.

If I couldn't afford to feed my own children, my children certainly wouldn't have gaming systems and Jordan's on their feet.





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[jmcgladr]

There's an amnesty program in StL County where for $10 application and $100 bond, traffic
fees/fines are paid, resulting in a clean record.

http://fox2now.com/2014/07/23/traffic-warrant-ticket-amnesty-program-promises-clean-records/

Well, that's good. It might still be hard for families living paycheck to paycheck to find an extra $110, but way better than the alternative for sure!

 

[Linda7NJ]

No need, we all saw the video. LE was in no danger. As far as I'm concerned, from what I saw, LE murdered that young man.

Inches and feet, piffle. He stood there, they shot and killed him.

My opinion, of course

I want a link to the video you saw, it must be different from the one I watched.
I linked mine ^^^^




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[jmcgladr]

Laws are for everyone. Period.

Cars are a luxury, if a person can't afford to maintain it legally they shouldn't own one.

It's about priorities.

My husband wants a boat in the worst way. We can afford to buy the boat...but not all of the other costs associated with it...

guess what...we are not getting a boat.

If I couldn't afford to feed my own children, my children certainly wouldn't have gaming systems and Jordan's on their feet.





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Who says that all children in Ferguson have "game systems and Jordans on their feet?" And I don't know the feasibility of transit in St. Louis County, but I do know that there are many places in the USA where it's just not practical, or sometimes even possible, to get around if you don't have a vehicle. Especially in the suburbs.

 

[Trident]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that the residents/visitors of your village have more disposable income than the residents of Ferguson. It wouldn't be hard, there are few spots in the USA that are MORE poor than Ferguson. IIRC, 90% of the kids at Normandy H.S. are on free or reduced school lunches. If residents can't afford food for their kids, how are they supposed to be able to afford pricey traffic fines? And everybody just moving out isn't going to do anything positive either, unless you want to see a ghost town spring up in Ferguson. I don't agree with police forces trying to get a large part of their budget from quotas and fines. I just don't. In this situation, it amounts to a "poor tax."

YOU brought up the food - try food stamps and how much they get. Housing, subsidized, I'm sure. Medical, a lotta help there, although I do not, nor do I want to, understand Obama care. Most of them are better off than I am, or when I was raising my kids. When does the pity party stop?

 

[Footwarrior]

Suicide by cop. It happens.
Mental illness is a sad thing but it doesn't make this fella any less dangerous than a mentally sane man.

Suicide by cop is all too common in the US. But does it really have to happen?

In nations where the police don't routinely carry firearms, it's a far different story. Mentally ill people have easy access to knives just like they do in the US. However, the police seldom kill civilians and the death rate of officers on duty is lower than ours.

 

[jmcgladr]

No need, we all saw the video. LE was in no danger. As far as I'm concerned, from what I saw, LE murdered that young man.

Inches and feet, piffle. He stood there, they shot and killed him.

My opinion, of course

I completely agree. I think officers need more training to recognize signs of mental instability/mental illness in the community, to prevent incidents like this.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Who says that all children in Ferguson have "game systems and Jordans on their feet?" And I don't know the feasibility of transit in St. Louis County, but I do know that there are many places in the USA where it's just not practical, or sometimes even possible, to get around if you don't have a vehicle. Especially in the suburbs.

Well the cities with the highest crime I'm familiar with have pretty fantastic public transportation systems


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[LambChop]

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[jmcgladr]

Suicide by cop is all too common in the US. But does it really have to happen?

In nations where the police don't routinely carry firearms, it's a far different story. Mentally ill people have easy access to knives just like they do in the US. However, the police seldom kill civilians and the death rate of officers on duty is lower than ours.

Having a family member with mental illness (bipolar) I am very grateful for the mental health crisis intervention teams that we have here in BC. They have taken my family member safely into treatment a few times now, when the alternative may have meant a criminal record, arrest or jail time during one of his manic episodes (before they got his meds stabilized - he is doing great now). I would love to see this type of program more widespread across North America.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Who says that all children in Ferguson have "game systems and Jordans on their feet?" And I don't know the feasibility of transit in St. Louis County, but I do know that there are many places in the USA where it's just not practical, or sometimes even possible, to get around if you don't have a vehicle. Especially in the suburbs.

I would suggest moving if a person can't afford the luxury of car ownership. Move to where there is public transportation and more job opportunities.




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[tlcya]

In four federal lawsuits, including one that is on appeal, and more than a half-dozen investigations over the past decade, colleagues of Darren Wilson’s have separately contested a variety of allegations, including killing a mentally ill man with a Taser, pistol-whipping a child, choking and hog-tying a child and beating a man who was later charged with destroying city property because his blood spilled on officers’ clothes.

One officer has faced three internal affairs probes and two lawsuits over claims he violated civil rights and used excessive force while working at a previous police department in the mid-2000s. That department demoted him after finding credible evidence to support one of the complaints, and he subsequently was hired by the Ferguson force.

Police officials from outside Ferguson and plaintiffs’ lawyers say the nature of such cases suggests there is a systemic problem within the Ferguson police force. Department of Justice officials said they are considering a broader probe into whether there is a pattern of using excessive force that routinely violates people’s civil rights.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5f7142-2c96-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html

It does appear that there is smoke in Ferguson based on this information. But I really wish people were discussing the issue and not making THIS shooting the flash point for getting the fire, if one exists, noticed. I think it does the cause of getting to the bottom of mistrust in the Ferguson LE a disservice. I think this case will be found to be justified. I think the evidence will support that the officer acted properly according to the protocols and training he received.

But if there is an issue with certain officers or with the way the department is run, I do believe that should be getting attention so I am glad it appears to be in the spotlight now. I only wish it were not at the expense of the IMO scapegoat, ODW and this particular shooting.

ETA I will say this though, the information at the link goes a long way in explaining for me the general mistrust of the citizens of Ferguson for their police department and also gives me an idea of where the witness POVs on police in general may have been formed.

Witnesses carry their life experiences with them when viewing events. If the experience of the citizens of Ferguson is that cops want to use unwarranted force and brutality and they see a shooting of an unarmed man, that may very well be all they need to decide what they saw and what it means. Period. I get it.

Doesn't make them more credible in my mind, but sure does explain some of the credibility problems I have with their accounts.

 

[Bernina]

I have a few comments and observations about this whole "Robbery" thing:

Small communities and barrios usually have a market/mercado that runs tabs for some of it's customers, for purposes of 2 week pay day schedules, government checks, and food stamps.
Some illegally allow non-food items to be bought with food stamps/cards. (Cigs, alcohol, sundries)
Others actually give a customer 50 cents cash on the food stamp dollar.
(there was actually a case in Phoenix where a market owner was involved in home purchases with food stamps years ago)
It's illegal to sell tobacco products to people under 18 years of age in Missouri: http://health.mo.gov/living/wellness/tobacco/smokingandtobacco/pdf/Kidsread.pdf
Most places card anyone who looks 24 years of age or under, unless they're a regular.

So..............
Why didn't the Fergusen Market owner or employees report a robbery?
Why was it a customer, who may or may not be a regular patron?
Did MB NOT have his ID? He just turned 18.
Was the Market owner refusing to sell him cigarillos because of that?
Why did the Market owner get an attorney? Why hasn't he spoken?
Why was the video of the "robbery" delayed in being released?
Where's the robbery report by the MARKET OWNER/employee that LE would be required to make? NOT the report called in by the customer to dispatch.
WHO called the report in and have we heard from this individual?
Have any witnesses to the "robbery" come forward to state what happened? IE, what was said before and during the altercation?
Has DJ SAID that MB stole the cigarillos? (if he did, I've missed it)

The video just seems too blatantly ridiculous for MB to steal and "strong arm" an employee with so many customers and video cameras rolling.

I just think there's something more to it.
JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Having a family member with mental illness (bipolar) I am very grateful for the mental health crisis intervention teams that we have here in BC. They have taken my family member safely into treatment a few times now, when the alternative may have meant a criminal record, arrest or jail time during one of his manic episodes (before they got his meds stabilized - he is doing great now). I would love to see this type of program more widespread across North America.

Me too. That we need!


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[Suthrnqt]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that the residents/visitors of your village have more disposable income than the residents of Ferguson. It wouldn't be hard, there are few spots in the USA that are MORE poor than Ferguson. IIRC, 90% of the kids at Normandy H.S. are on free or reduced school lunches. If residents can't afford food for their kids, how are they supposed to be able to afford pricey traffic fines? And everybody just moving out isn't going to do anything positive either, unless you want to see a ghost town spring up in Ferguson. I don't agree with police forces trying to get a large part of their budget from quotas and fines. I just don't. In this situation, it amounts to a "poor tax."

BIB

If residents can't afford to feed their children, maybe they shouldn't be owning a car in the first place. A car is considered a luxury, not a necessity, imo. Also, along with owning & driving a vehicle, comes responsibility.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

TY for the link. The article was about Ferguson municipal elections, not county elections.

I get the point, though.

Nevertheless, if the majority of the population of St. Louis County is Caucasian/European American, I think it's probably discouraging to the African American population with regards to electing someone who they feel represents them.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-lack-diversity-goes-way-beyond-its-cops

I'm sorry but you know who represents me? Someone whose actions, behaviors, and words show appropriate leadership, are well-thought out, and are not divisive. Someone who knows how to build up a community with a plan that has been studied and utilized with positive results. Someone that knows a thing or two about community redevelopment and engagement.

Color, race, ethnicity is the least of what I'm concerned with when it comes to leadership.

 

[jmcgladr]

I have a few comments and observations about this whole "Robbery" thing:

Small communities and barrios usually have a market/mercado that runs tabs for some of it's customers, for purposes of 2 week pay day schedules, government checks, and food stamps.
Some illegally allow non-food items to be bought with food stamps/cards. (Cigs, alcohol, sundries)
Others actually give a customer 50 cents cash on the food stamp dollar.
(there was actually a case in Phoenix where a market owner was involved in home purchases with food stamps years ago)
It's illegal to sell tobacco products to people under 18 years of age in Missouri: http://health.mo.gov/living/wellness/tobacco/smokingandtobacco/pdf/Kidsread.pdf
Most places card anyone who looks 24 years of age or under, unless they're a regular.

So..............
Why didn't the Fergusen Market owner or employees report a robbery?
Why was it a customer, who may or may not be a regular patron?
Did MB NOT have his ID? He just turned 18.
Was the Market owner refusing to sell him cigarillos because of that?
Why did the Market owner get an attorney? Why hasn't he spoken?
Why was the video of the "robbery" delayed in being released?
Where's the robbery report by the MARKET OWNER/employee that LE would be required to make? NOT the report called in by the customer to dispatch.
WHO called the report in and have we heard from this individual?
Have any witnesses to the "robbery" come forward to state what happened? IE, what was said before and during the altercation?
Has DJ SAID that MB stole the cigarillos? (if he did, I've missed it)

The video just seems too blatantly ridiculous for MB to steal and "strong arm" an employee with so many customers and video cameras rolling.

I just think there's something more to it.
JMO.

I bought into the whole "MB committed a strong arm robbery" thing for quite a while too, but I too am starting to question if this was really the case. I'll leave it at that, because I don't have any MSM links to back up the other scenarios I've heard suggested. I have read, though, that the store clerk never actually called in a robbery at his store, or filled out a robbery report, which seems odd to me. Apparently another customer did - but did that customer have the whole story of what happened?

 

[Kimster]

We don't post about fund raising stuff. Just a reminder. :tyou: