MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[Elley Mae]

I read a quote from Ferguson PD Chief Jackson today saying the officers are loving their new video cams. The only drawback mentioned, not from Jackson, was that the cams may negatively affect on-site witnesses to crimes coming up and telling responding officers what happened.

I don't like that the officer can turn on/off at will, that will be a problem, imo.

 

[DebinGA]

I totally agree with you on this.

I do hope that no matter what he tells/says to the GJ that it is the truth, period. I don't need to see/hear what he says, just tell the truth.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. No more selective amnesia about the struggle at/in the car over the gun.

 

[TheDuchess]

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. No more selective amnesia about the struggle at/in the car over the gun.

Yes-and please tell us what happened to your bracelet!

 

[Footwarrior]

To me, the shots and wounds are a crap shoot without more information being released. Baden and that other guy certainly didn't help us much. All from the front seems to mean something different than all from the front apparently?!?!

To a pathologist, the front (or more correctly the anterior) side assumes the body is in a standard position. For a body resting on a mortuary table with be the face and palms facing up, the anterior (front) side is up and the posterior (back) side is down. But we have to remember that when a person is standing, walking or running the anterior side of the arms do not always face forward.

 

[Sonya610]

I don't like that the officer can turn on/off at will, that will be a problem, imo.

I have no problem with it. If they turn the cam "off" and then get involved in a deadly shooting they will have a whole lot of explaining to do.

Sorry, but expecting them to relieve themselves and such while running the cam is MORE than a small invasion of privacy. If the cam has audio that is another HUGE mess that will violate privacy on many many levels if the camera is forced to be worn and always "on".

Would YOU want to wear a body cam all day at work and not be able to turn it off? Think about it, in the restroom and such.

 

[Phoebeb]

That is awesome! Did he give any indication as to who DJ is afraid of???

No, I only asked for the info on the protective custody.

 

[New1]

If you don't think there are racists in this area that are, in fact, threatening people, well continue to believe. I wouldn't call them supporters of OW although they may try to hold themselves out as such. My take is they are just racist ($*#'s jumping at the chance to espouse their views.

Why are they racists because they support OW? I'm not a racist, and I support him. If the situation were reversed and it was a black cop who shot a white teen after the white teen assaulted the black officer and IMO the white teen was shot and killed while charging the black officer, I would support the black officer.

 

[bwt42]

Ok. OT, but I can't resist!

LOL, I wonder how much "clean pee" goes for these days! If I were inclined to break the law, my kidneys could be worth millions! I sold my blood and plasma in college, the first time, to buy books. Maybe I could pee my way to retirement now, lol! Golden flow, indeed!

I sold my blood & books to go to the racetrack.

 

[Phoebeb]

Article says DJ "is in federal protective custody." Which feds have been reported as involved in this case - FBI, DOJ-Civil Rights Division, other? Unless DJ is viewed as a potential federal witness in a potential federal civil rights trial situation, would DJ be given federal protection now?

Good question... the article does say it's "his first interview since federal authorities questioned him shortly after the shooting, his attorneys said." So maybe federal protection is a result of the FBI questioning him in the investigation of the shooting only. idk... Would the Ferguson or St Louis police departments ever give a witness "local" police protection? or is that a Fed thing only?

 

[Sonya610]

If you don't think there are racists in this area that are, in fact, threatening people, well continue to believe. I wouldn't call them supporters of OW although they may try to hold themselves out as such. My take is they are just racist ($*#'s jumping at the chance to espouse their views.

Yes, there are lots of racists on BOTH sides, I have no doubt about it.

Folks worried about the well being of their own race, or worried about being targeted because of their race and doing something about it are commonly labeled as racists.

But of course none of this has anything to do with race so let's not go there.

 

[DebinGA]

I have no problem with it. If they turn the cam "off" and then get involved in a deadly shooting they will have a whole lot of explaining to do.

Sorry, but expecting them to relieve themselves and such while running the cam is MORE than a small invasion of privacy. If the cam has audio that is another HUGE mess that will violate privacy on many many levels if the camera is forced to be worn and always "on".

Would YOU want to wear a body cam all day at work and not be able to turn it off? Think about it, in the restroom and such.

In Brit police interrogation dramas, they always make a notation when they stop the tape in the interview room, like "Deputy Superintendent Tenneson has just entered the room" or "Suspect needs to use the loo," etc. I imagine officers here would compete to outdo each other in comical video break announcements.

 

[K_Z]

If you don't think there are racists in this area that are, in fact, threatening people, well continue to believe. I wouldn't call them supporters of OW although they may try to hold themselves out as such. My take is they are just racist ($*#'s jumping at the chance to espouse their views.

I would add that there are unquestionably racists exploiting this situation for the opportunity to espouse their views. But I strongly disagree that they are on the "side" of the officer. The New Black Panthers, for example (who are trying to change their name AGAIN to hide their true purpose), are unquestionably a racist group. And their leader was filmed leading death chants for the officer.

Who are the REAL racists instigators here? IMO, it's pathetically, unabashedly, glaringly obvious.

IMO, this entire situation was never a racist situation, and had no overtones of any kind of racism. IMO, race was not even a side issue, except for the fact that it occurred in a predominantly black, crime ridden, and poor neighborhood. It could just as easily have happened in a poor, white crime ridden neighborhood, or a poor, Asian or Hispanic, crime ridden neighborhood. The issue is the attitude, and conduct, and motivations of the suspects. Criminals come in all different shapes, colors, and sizes. And strangely enough, crime ridden areas tend to have a lot of criminals there. It's not rocket science! And it's not racism. Not in this case, IMO.

 

[LambChop]

In Brit police interrogation dramas, they always make a notation when they stop the tape in the interview room, like "Deputy Superintendent Tenneson has just entered the room" or "Suspect needs to use the loo," etc. I imagine officers here would compete to outdo each other in comical video break announcements.

:floorlaugh: Such as: "and now a word from our sponsors".

 

[DebinGA]

:floorlaugh: Such as: "and now a word from our sponsors".

"The fight you hear in the cruiser is restricted to Officers Smith and Thomas over whether to eat lunch at The China Palace or Joe's Subs and Suds."

 

[Frydaddy]

To a pathologist, the front (or more correctly the anterior) side assumes the body is in a standard position. For a body resting on a mortuary table with be the face and palms facing up, the anterior (front) side is up and the posterior (back) side is down. But we have to remember that when a person is standing, walking or running the anterior side of the arms do not always face forward.

I get that part. Mike was shot in what I call the inner arm, no way that is exposed when running away. And even if somehow it were exposed, no one would describe those shots as "from the front".

 

[tlcya]

Why are they racists because they support OW? I'm not a racist, and I support him. If the situation were reversed and it was a black cop who shot a white teen after the white teen assaulted the black officer and IMO the white teen was shot and killed while charging the black officer, I would support the black officer.

I support OW based on what I have seen thus far. I have seen nothing to indicate he was some power happy cop who goes round shoving his gun in the faces of unarmed teens threatening to shoot them, which is how this shooting was presented by the very unusual witness DJ. I feel most who are supporting OW do so for the same reasons I do.

That said, I feel pretty confident that some folks have come out to support OW because of their deeply seated racism. Just as I feel many of the protesters are out there supporting MB because they take DJ and all the talking heads at their word. While we have seen that some are simply there because they have their own deeply seated racist bias and now have what they feel is an excuse to hate someone (all police) and feel justified to act in a lawless manner.

 

[jggordo]

The body cams have been on the rise for some time, not just because of this incident. There are so many frivolous allegations toward LE that this cost of implementation of this technology is dismal in comparison to the benefits. In this community this is a positive step including LE.

JMO

http://www.taser.com/products/on-officer-video/axon-body-on-officer-video

http://www.komu.com/news/columbia-police-adds-body-camera-technology-58913/

 

[tlcya]

While I agree the distinction between "in the front" and "from the front" are very real. I am going with St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, who performed the initial and official autopsy for the state.

The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Brown’s death, which has triggered violent protests in this St. Louis suburb that continued Sunday night.

In a brief interview with The Washington Post, Case declined to comment on specifics of her examination of Brown’s body but said she welcomes the two other autopsies being performed. One was done Sunday by forensic pathologists Michael Baden and Shawn Parcells, and Case said the second — ordered on Sunday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. — will be done by Pentagon medical examiners.

“I welcome anyone who wants to do additional autopsies,’’ Case said. “Michael is someone I know and think highly of, and I think highly of the Armed Forces also. I’m not upset at all. This is highly controversial case, and it’s good that everyone interested in it can have a say.”

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown’s family, said Case’s results “sound consistent” with Baden’s highly publicized autopsy, but Crump said he was unaware of any marijuana in Brown’s system. Baden also concluded that Brown was shot at least six times, according to a preliminary report on an autopsy he and Parcells performed Sunday at a funeral home in Ferguson.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

While I realize the info regarding Case's autopsy is sourced as anonymous people in the prosecutor's office, I tend to believe it will be revealed to be accurate. And since Baden's autopsy does not really dispute that but rather suggests that one shot, could have, maybe, we just can't say for sure, come from the rear. Well, I don't think the basic findings of the two autopsies really differ. Just that Baden via Parcells is being more liberally interpreted in order to try to find some semblance of proof that MB may have had his back to the officer while the officer was shooting at him.

MOO that is what they were brought in to do. Try to find some way to make OW what DJ presented him as with his falsified account of what happened that day. ie. damage control. But Baden is a professional, not an expert for hire in the sense that he will falsify his findings. Therefore, this maybe, possibly could have been hit with one shot from behind was run with. Because it could conceivably be so but imo is not as likely as the possibility that ALL the bullets came from the front and entered his front.

 

[jggordo]

I am wondering if DJ's statements immediately after this shooting to the media that now have been proven to be lies are not being seen by FBI as utterances to create riots and property damage, which should be criminal. Further that future statements were not shaped, coerced and coached to feed the agenda by attorneys and activists. IMO it would not be a stretch to have a conspiracy to further that agenda and prolong violence, causing millions in damages.

JMO's

 

[bwt42]

The discussion on why there are not two officers in each car made me think of a comment I wanted to make earlier. With only one officer per car, there might be implied pressure on the individual officer to "handle" things himself without calling for backup. Also, could be a "macho" problem if the officer was always calling for help.