MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[Elley Mae]

The discussion on why there are not two officers in each car made me think of a comment I wanted to make earlier. With only one officer per car, there might be implied pressure on the individual officer to "handle" things himself without calling for backup. Also, could be a "macho" problem if the officer was always calling for help.

I can not recall seeing 2 officers in one patrol car, I have seen two (2) detectives in one unmarked car. I know of a neighborhood that a patrol car will only enter with backup, but I think (2) two officers in one patrol car is saved for the movies. jmo idk

 

[tlcya]

Our officer's patrol solo. On TV shows there are always two officers in one car but in my area that has never been the case. One car, one officer, saving for K-9 units which have an officer and his partnered canine. So the him in the car alone does not really seem strange or unusual to me.

 

[Elley Mae]

While I agree the distinction between "in the front" and "from the front" are very real. I am going with St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, who performed the initial and official autopsy for the state.

The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Brown’s death, which has triggered violent protests in this St. Louis suburb that continued Sunday night.

In a brief interview with The Washington Post, Case declined to comment on specifics of her examination of Brown’s body but said she welcomes the two other autopsies being performed. One was done Sunday by forensic pathologists Michael Baden and Shawn Parcells, and Case said the second — ordered on Sunday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. — will be done by Pentagon medical examiners.

“I welcome anyone who wants to do additional autopsies,’’ Case said. “Michael is someone I know and think highly of, and I think highly of the Armed Forces also. I’m not upset at all. This is highly controversial case, and it’s good that everyone interested in it can have a say.”

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown’s family, said Case’s results “sound consistent” with Baden’s highly publicized autopsy, but Crump said he was unaware of any marijuana in Brown’s system. Baden also concluded that Brown was shot at least six times, according to a preliminary report on an autopsy he and Parcells performed Sunday at a funeral home in Ferguson.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

While I realize the info regarding Case's autopsy is sourced as anonymous people in the prosecutor's office, I tend to believe it will be revealed to be accurate. And since Baden's autopsy does not really dispute that but rather suggests that one shot, could have, maybe, we just can't say for sure, come from the rear. Well, I don't think the basic findings of the two autopsies really differ. Just that Baden via Parcells is being more liberally interpreted in order to try to find some semblance of proof that MB may have had his back to the officer while the officer was shooting at him.

MOO that is what they were brought in to do. Try to find some way to make OW what DJ presented him as with his falsified account of what happened that day. ie. damage control. But Baden is a professional, not an expert for hire in the sense that he will falsify his findings. Therefore, this maybe, possibly could have been hit with one shot from behind was run with. Because it could conceivably be so but imo is not as likely as the possibility that ALL the bullets came from the front and entered his front.

BBMThe people said, not baden, not case, and not the feds, but the people.

 

[tlcya]

BBMThe people said, not baden, not case, and not the feds, but the people.

hence mine which read:

While I realize the info regarding Case's autopsy is sourced as anonymous people in the prosecutor's office, I tend to believe it will be revealed to be accurate. And since Baden's autopsy does not really dispute that but rather suggests that one shot, could have, maybe, we just can't say for sure, come from the rear. Well, I don't think the basic findings of the two autopsies really differ. Just that Baden via Parcells is being more liberally interpreted in order to try to find some semblance of proof that MB may have had his back to the officer while the officer was shooting at him.

 

[Phoebeb]

That is awesome! Did he give any indication as to who DJ is afraid of???

I don't have twitter. Can you send him another tweet about this sentence?



It's confusing as to whether DJ's attorneys did not allow him to discuss the shooting and Ferguson Market with the Feds or the reporter

Yes, he responded:
Phoebe Beach ‏@PhoebeBeach 1h

@WesleyLowery TY! One more q- did the article mean DJ's atty would not allow him to talk to Feds or reporters about the details of that day?
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Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 58m

@PhoebeBeach to reporters. He has spoken about that day with Feds
1:19 PM - 1 Sep 2014 · Details

 

[Lovejac]

Yes, he responded:
Phoebe Beach ‏@PhoebeBeach 1h

@WesleyLowery TY! One more q- did the article mean DJ's atty would not allow him to talk to Feds or reporters about the details of that day?
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Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 58m

@PhoebeBeach to reporters. He has spoken about that day with Feds
1:19 PM - 1 Sep 2014 · Details

You are awesome Phoebe :loveyou:

That you for clearing that up! :tyou:

 

[Sonya610]

Our officer's patrol solo. On TV shows there are always two officers in one car but in my area that has never been the case. One car, one officer, saving for K-9 units which have an officer and his partnered canine. So the him in the car alone does not really seem strange or unusual to me.

Yeah solo here too, even in Atlanta Metro and in California.

The TV shows always have two officers in a car so they can talk to each other and such; in the car, when going on calls; that is a major part of the story line.

Just like TV folks always have to pull the slide on their semi-automatic handguns, they would never carry chamber loaded like normal folks, the viewers have to SEE the handguns pulled out, pointed up, and made ready to fire in a dramatic sort of way.

 

[al66pine]

I can not recall seeing 2 officers in one patrol car, I have seen two (2) detectives in one unmarked car. I know of a neighborhood that a patrol car will only enter with backup, but I think (2) two officers in one patrol car is saved for the movies. jmo idk

bbm

2 LEOs in a car -
- in movie or TV dramas allows for dialogue to move the plot along, to provide background, etc.
- in comedies, allows for witty repartee.

In real life, 1 or 2 per patrol car is a LE-jurisdiction specific protocol,
then further determined by other factors, such as
- precinct (solo in lower-crime residential hood, pair for higher-crime hood),
- shift (solo for day, pair at night?)
- training (solo for vets, pairs w 1 newb)
- etc.
- budget being a major issue.

JM2cts.

 

[Phoebeb]

Apparently the protest today blocking highways is postponed...
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A planned protest to briefly shut down highways today in the St. Louis area has been postponed at the request of Michael Brown's family, one of the protest organizers said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...3-8e2c-c64819382bf6.html#.VAS8q7GShHY.twitter

 

[Phoebeb]

You are awesome Phoebe :loveyou:

That you for clearing that up! :tyou:

I'm surprised he responded at all... slow news day, maybe :cheers:

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Apparently the protest today blocking highways is postponed...
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A planned protest to briefly shut down highways today in the St. Louis area has been postponed at the request of Michael Brown's family, one of the protest organizers said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...3-8e2c-c64819382bf6.html#.VAS8q7GShHY.twitter

I was wondering if they were going forward with that. I just posted the NYT article about the shut down. Now, I will add yours

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Apparently the protest today blocking highways is postponed...
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A planned protest to briefly shut down highways today in the St. Louis area has been postponed at the request of Michael Brown's family, one of the protest organizers said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...3-8e2c-c64819382bf6.html#.VAS8q7GShHY.twitter

Wow, just reading all the comments left on the Post-Dispatch page of the article you just posted.

 

[Sonya610]

Yeah some tanks might change their mind about shutting down the highways.

Guess the protestors that actually HAVE a car didn't feel like losing it today.

 

[Sonya610]

Wow, just reading all the comments left on the Post-Dispatch page of the article you just posted.

Those comments are quite mild and polite. Missouri has a very heavily armed citizenry, taking the problem outside of Ferguson would be a very bad idea for the protestors.

 

[CHERIE.T]

"They" being the police force perhaps - of which OW was a part? I really don't see why this is some sort of smoking gun saying she didn't witness the shooting.

Because THEY means more than one.
I fail to see why that's not understood.

 

[CHERIE.T]

In and of itself, no smoking gun. With all the rest of the nonsense from her put together, smoking gun. People can feel free to dismiss it, but that isn't the same as explaining it.

Then there's this. ^^^^^

 

[Suthrnqt]

Yes, he responded:
Phoebe Beach ‏@PhoebeBeach 1h

@WesleyLowery TY! One more q- did the article mean DJ's atty would not allow him to talk to Feds or reporters about the details of that day?
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Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 58m

@PhoebeBeach to reporters. He has spoken about that day with Feds
1:19 PM - 1 Sep 2014 · Details

Thanks for taking one for the team!!

 

[CHERIE.T]

Last night when the Wash Post article came out about DJ, some of us were questioning whether the writer meant that DJ was in protective custody or OW was, or both. I sent Wes Lowery (the writer) a question through twitter and he sent back a message that they both are in protective custody.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9b47ba-2ee2-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

bbm

Please put this on the media thread.
Thanks for finding this out.

 

[Lovejac]

Apparently the protest today blocking highways is postponed...
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A planned protest to briefly shut down highways today in the St. Louis area has been postponed at the request of Michael Brown's family, one of the protest organizers said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...3-8e2c-c64819382bf6.html#.VAS8q7GShHY.twitter

Great news and a wise decision from the Brown family.

 

[popsicle]

If DJ is in protective custody then he probably did change his story.