MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[reedus23]

If he was a bad shot he would be taken off of patrol duty until he improved. My son carries a weapon for a federal job, and he has to routinely pass a rigorous shooting test, which involves shooting at dummys while he's running and hiding behind things. he says if someone fails the test they get desk duty.

I agree. I'm saying I don't know. It's just a possibility. Without rehashing all of the old stuff, Ferguson unfortunately doesn't have the luxury of being selective in their hiring and retention practices.

 

[DebinGA]

DJ will NEVER be a credible witness. IMO

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Wouldn't surprise me if the wily DJ purposely and publicly impeached himself in order to avoid having to testify.

 

[Trident]

Should you be correct I am close enough and pissed off enough that I may have to do my own protesting. Why do I have to follow the rules and put up with the status quo and others get to circumvent the system til given what they want? It is very very upsetting to me and may be enough for me and others like me to take to the streets. Not that anyone will notice since I won't be burning or looting my neighborhood businesses.

Thank you for telling it like it is. I believe many people, more than we know feel the same way and are getting sick of it.

 

[reedus23]

Should you be correct I am close enough and pissed off enough that I may have to do my own protesting. Why do I have to follow the rules and put up with the status quo and others get to circumvent the system til given what they want? It is very very upsetting to me and may be enough for me and others like me to take to the streets. Not that anyone will notice since I won't be burning or looting my neighborhood businesses.

What I wouldn't be surprised of in that scenario where there is no indictment handed down in the County...I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't civil rights charges levied against Wilson himself. Instead, i wouldn't be surprised if an investigation into the FPD as a whole is conducted. I would hope this would satisfy those in the community, because what I hear them saying between all of the rhetoric, is a problem that is more systemic than it is related to one specific incident. I also believe such an investigation would bring about longer, more meaningful change than simply putting one officer on trial, whether it's deserved or not deserved.

 

[bettybaby00]

Just saw this on Twitter: forgive if it's already been posted - I've only read the last 3 pages or so.....

"Jim Hoft ‏@gatewaypundit 34m
For The Record: Now have 4th Source from imaging -confirms Officer #DarrenWilson suffered "Orbital Fracture to Eye Socket" #Ferguson"

4 sources, eh?

 

[bettybaby00]

What I wouldn't be surprised of in that scenario where there is no indictment handed down in the County...I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't civil rights charges levied against Wilson himself. Instead, i wouldn't be surprised if an investigation into the FPD as a whole is conducted. I would hope this would satisfy those in the community, because what I hear them saying between all of the rhetoric, is a problem that is more systemic than it is related to one specific incident. I also believe such an investigation would bring about longer, more meaningful change than simply putting one officer on trial, whether it's deserved or not deserved.

Of course there is. Why do you think holder is there

Just like Zimmerman...oh wait.

 

[reedus23]

if he changed his story to one that supports OW, then I thunk it would be credible. I don't think he would do that unless it was the truth. jmo

Not trying to be critical, but I really don't understand how ones credibility is determined simply by which side he supports.

 

[reedus23]

The main reason that I think they corroborate OW is that OW has not been arrested yet. Imo, if ALL of the eye witnesses said he grabbed MB by the neck, in an unprovoked attack, then pulled his gun and began shooting, then he would be locked up already. :jail:

Unless the approach being taken is that what happened 35 feet away is more important than what happened at the vehicle. I also don't think that it's that simple as to what happened at the car. Personally, I think both sides probably hold some fault for how things transpired earlier on. Probably even more fault on MB than DW based on the limited information known at this point. But I personally don't think that it's that simple and I don't know if that's the relevant time period, though it certainly provides context for the remaining actions.

 

[popsicle]

I'm not so sure the reporter knew he was not left uncovered for 4 1/2 hrs. Why didn't he say "Protesters are protesting MB being left in the street for 4 1/2hrs" Why add the 'uncovered'. Or if he wanted to add the 'uncovered', he should have said "Some mistakenly believe he was left uncovered for 4 1/2 hrs." The way he's reporting it, he's making it sound like fact. Anyone not familiar with what happened would take it as the truth and repeat it as fact. JMO

I don't know if you have followed any of his streams. He is not a 'reporter'. He is a political science student getting the news out. I rarely listen to him but his live streams are da bomb imo. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/argus-radio-ferguson-protests_n_5679149.html

 

[reedus23]

Of course there is. Why do you think holder is there

Just like Zimmerman...oh wait.

Thanks. But not sure I'm following. I think one possibility for Holder being there is to look into the practices of the FPD in a broader sense. Obviously, I have no idea if he'll bring charges against Wilson or if his investigation will ultimately concentrate on the department as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be the latter.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not trying to be critical, but I really don't understand how ones credibility is determined simply by which side he supports.

Doesn't matter which he supports, the guy can't tell the same scenario twice, he's previously be charged with LYING, he's simply not credible.
If he were to run his mouth in the media today and back up Officer Wilson's version...he still has a butt load of credibility issues that can't not be overcome.
IMO


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[TheDuchess]

O/T - But Post #794 which has a photo of Barack Obama Elementary School is whacking out my computer! Anyone else having this issue? I am curious as to what the post is about, because I cannot see the entire post on one screen and my computer freezes up every time I even try to scroll through it!

 

[reedus23]

Doesn't matter which he supports, the guy can't tell the same scenario twice, he's previously be charged with LYING, he's simply not credible.
If he were to run his mouth in the media today and back up Officer Wilson's version...he still has a butt load of credibility issues that can't not be overcome.
IMO


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I would tend to agree with you assuming all of that is accurate. I haven't sat down and reviewed each of his statements side by side yet, which I want to get around to, but it sure sounds like his story has been changing from reading here.

 

[katydid23]

I'd suggest it's not so stupid. They're goal is to bring attention to themselves. From reading this thread, attention is being given to them. I'd fully suspect that those who do it anticipate being arrested but figure the price of getting arrested is worth the benefit of drawing attention to their cause. Whether you agree with them or not is really not their primary concern.

But there is POSITIVE attention and NEGATIVE attention. Standing in the highway and blocking traffic, with their hands up is not necessarily positive attention. Especially when it comes out that some witnesses say he never had his hands up at all.

And they are blocking traffic and yet, there is currently a Grand Jury hearing ALL of the evidence. So what do they want? Oh yea, they want to bypass the usual legal steps and just go right to prosecution. How is that fair? Or just?

 

[DebinGA]

Speaking of "the community", I noticed today that Canfield Dr. is 7 mi. from Lambert-StL International Airport, requiring lots of workers, including low-skilled maintenance, shop clerks, parking attendants, etc. Ditto the hotels, eateries surrounding the airport. There are many isolated places where jobs are few or too far away, but not so for people in Ferguson imo.

 

[Lovejac]

DeDee, I can't quite figure it out myself :facepalm: I'm not one to ever make excuses for criminals and liars. I don't know why I feel this way.

I agree with every single word of your post and I know that DJ is partially responsible for this mess that plagues Ferguson. I just feel like this could be a real watershed moment for DJ. :dunno:

Maybe my brain is being taken over by alien mind control. Where is that tin foil hat?

I have agreed with almost every one of your posts, except this one. :loveyou: Nor do I wish for any harm to anyone; yet, we reap what we sow.

DJ is not innocent in the cause of the riotous actions. His 1st hand accounting of the incident led to the terrifying troubles that were to come. DJ stated that MB asked OW not to shoot him while his hands were up in the air. I believe that is a fabrication.

The shooting occurred on August 9.

In DJs Aug 12 interview, http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/video/13987989/

DJ moved out of his apt. with his young daughter and gf bc he was afraid of revenge from officers. His describes the door of OW vehicle didn't come but "an inch out before it struck us". DJ continues, the officer tries to pull my friend in through the window. He never once tried to get the officer's weapon. The officer fired a shot and let go of MB so they were able to run. DJ ducks for cover bc he fears for his life. The officer is pursuing my friend now. He fired a shot. It struck my friend in the back. My friend stopped running. His hands immediately went into the air and he turned around. He told the officer that he was unarmed. The officer fired several more shots to his head and chest area. He fell dramatically into the fetal position. It hurt him a lot. I could see it in his eyes. I definitely think it was murder.


In his Aug 13 interview, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-protests-continue/13989945/

DJ said OW grabbed MB by the neck. With the other hand, he held his gun and said, "I'll shoot." At the same time, DJ heard gunfire. Then, he and MB ran. DJ hid. OW fired another shot. "It struck my friend in the back." My friend stopped running and turned around with his hands in the air. MB informed the officer that he was unarmed. OW fired several more shots in the chest and head area. My friend felled into the fetal position. It hurt him a lot. It was definitely like being shot like an animal. I definitely think he is guilty of murder.


We know MB was NOT shot in the back. We know MB was NOT in the fetal position. We now know DJ was a known liar based on his police record. The lies he told about the incident caused the people to riot with indignation. The BP swooped down on the City of Ferguson to incite the riots. Gangs members from The Cripps and The Bloods filled the city streets. We know the rest of the story up until this point. JMO

moo mho omho

 

[Lovejac]

He kept repeating about once a minute that MB was left uncovered in the street for 4 1/2 hours. Someone should clue him in.

Guess we know which news channels he's watching :sigh:

 

[Oceans]

Just saw this on Twitter: forgive if it's already been posted - I've only read the last 3 pages or so.....

"Jim Hoft ‏@gatewaypundit 34m
For The Record: Now have 4th Source from imaging -confirms Officer #DarrenWilson suffered "Orbital Fracture to Eye Socket" #Ferguson"

BBM: I hope it will soon be officially confirmed. JMO.

 

[TheDuchess]

But there is POSITIVE attention and NEGATIVE attention. Standing in the highway and blocking traffic, with their hands up is not necessarily positive attention. Especially when it comes out that some witnesses say he never had his hands up at all.

And they are blocking traffic and yet, there is currently a Grand Jury hearing ALL of the evidence. So what do they want? Oh yea, they want to bypass the usual legal steps and just go right to prosecution. How is that fair? Or just?

You know what is funny. Being the newshound that I am, I always forget that everyone is not completely abreast of every single nuance of a story as I am and the people here are. Most "normal" people just go about their daily routine and only catch a glimpse or a quick sound byte of the news, if anything. I am sure that a lot of these marching people are just like that.

Now....that said...I am just picturing some guy like my dad, for example, just trying to get home from work one day and happening upon a group of people walking down the middle of the highway with their hands up in the air and thinking what the HECK are they doing???

:waitasec:

 

[BirdycatNY]

Doesn't matter which he supports, the guy can't tell the same scenario twice, he's previously be charged with LYING, he's simply not credible.
If he were to run his mouth in the media today and back up Officer Wilson's version...he still has a butt load of credibility issues that can't not be overcome.
IMO


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DJ definitely has major credibility issues, but I think with the possibility of charges like making false statements to feds (assuming he makes false statements to feds) or perjury if testifies hanging over his head, he's more likely to come clean about what happened between DJ, MB and OW. I wonder if he'll get lesser punishment for previous warrant/crime if he cooperates with investigators and at GJ.

Also, has any identified the individual that was holding the door for MB during strong armed robbery? I wonder what this individual knows and where he was at time of MB/OW incident.