MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[TheDuchess]

Wow! Have you guys seen this? Just found it. This video provides a lot of info. So the family knows why Michael was in the street so long!

Medical transporter explains why Michael Brown’s body laid on the ground for hours
It was unsafe, we feared for our lives

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/08/medic...el-browns-body-lay-on-the-ground-for-4-hours/

More timeline info too in case there's one here somewhere.

I am glad that this man has come forward and spoken his mind and told the truth. The narrative about his body being left there out in the open has done nothing but to further fuel the flames. And now we learn that everyone knew what the situation was, yet allowed the lie to perpetuate. But so far none of the things that have been claimed which have brought such a furor to the case have been proven untrue. Had they been true, the outrage would be expected. But they are lies or well...untruths at the very least.

Shot for jaywalking
Innocent kid minding his own business walking to grandmas
Hands up begging to surrender
Gunned down in the street for being black (still waiting on that little shred of proof that this incident had anything to do with race)
Shot in the back
Body out in the open with no cover

Now that the lies are starting to be revealed, we must now turn our attention to the "bigger picture" of generalized racism, unfair police practices (unrelated to this incident,) and now...parking fines!!

How did we get here??? A young man simply made some really bad choices that day, getting high, robbing a store, punching a cop and trying to get his gun, which resulted in him being shot by an officer. It really is just as simple as that. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing to see here.

But....here we are....

 

[Klood-N]

When the evidence is finally released, there will be pictures that were taken of his injuries, timestamped and dated.

Yep and it was reported the x-rays of his injuries were given to the GJ.

 

[Truthy]

The number of tickets Ferguson issues, and the number of arrest warrants the scofflaws of Ferguson accumulate, have nothing to do with the shooting of MB.

Actually that is exactly the sort of thing the DOJ will investigate to uncover racial bias if it exists. Like they did with the same corrupt force that OW was forced to leave when it was disbanded. And in other cities across the country.
I'm shocked people here seemed to miss the protests were also about the big picture, which is not always pretty.

 

[TheDuchess]

I watched it and it was very interesting. It showed just how much chaos was created that day and how dangerous it was for the funeral director and LE.

How ironic that LE got blamed later on for letting MB's body lay there for hours when in fact it was the chaos, including shots being fired by some protesters there. JMO

And can you possibly find a more reasonable, level headed, genuine, caring man to tell this story? I dare anyone to find fault with this man. I don't want to hear another word about the body being left out in the open. Loved what he said about his heart going out to all of the families and how he cares for the dead as well as the living. :loveyou:

 

[Truthy]

When the evidence is finally released, there will be pictures that were taken of his injuries, timestamped and dated.

Looking forward to it. As well as all the other physical evidenece.

 

[Oceans]

And can you possibly find a more reasonable, level headed, genuine, caring man to tell this story? I dare anyone to find fault with this man. I don't want to hear another word about the body being left out in the open. Loved what he said about his heart going out to all of the families and how he cares for the dead as well as the living. :loveyou:

Yes, he was very polite and respectful to everyone, including the families and LE. And he just wanted to give his side of the story without taking any sides. JMO.

But he also pointed out that he never experienced anything like that in his entire life! And he hoped to never have to go through something like this again. IIRC.

 

[MyBelle]

I think you're missing the point. Why don't more white people have warrants? Because all whites are responsible? Why are so many of the warrants disproportionately for blacks? It's not whether or not a particular person should have a warrant, but what about the enforcement is leading to such a disparity and being so lopsidedly oppressive for one group but not the other.

A warrant has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the violation of the law. Driving on a suspended license places other motorists at financial risk because if there is an auto accident, there is no insurance coverage of suspended drivers. Follow the laws, then there won't be a warrant. I always thought this was such a simple concept. Mr. Brown was a suspect in a strong-armed robbery caught by security video. He most assuredly would be facing prison time if he had survived.

JMO

 

[Truthy]

The op-ed piece about the issues that Ferguson residents have problems with are what they call profiled police stops where a greater percentage of blacks are stopped and then cited for lack of registration, lack of insurance, outstanding warrants etc. We were discussing it yesterday. Will try to find the link. The piece suggested that inordinate number of black citizens were pulled over for traffic stops as opposed to white ones and that the stops were simply a way to further penalize and already overburdened poor population and make their already more difficult lives more difficult.

I will go back to that discussion and find the link.


Missouri's judicial system, especially that of the municipalities of St. Louis county, has come under even more intense scrutiny since the Brown killing. St. Louis County is home to a criminal justice system that routinely issues warrants and sometimes jails people for their failure to pay off minor infractions and traffic violations, which are issued excessively in order to raise budget funds according to many familiar with the system. Black people are disproportionately targeted for these stops and disproportionately searched, according to a recently released white paper by a local legal nonprofit group.

In one noteworthy example, Ray Downs, a journalist with the Riverfront Times, found that in 2013, Pine Lawn, a town that is 96 percent black and has a per capita income of $13,000, collected $1.7 million in fines from such stops. The population of Pine Lawn is just over 3,000 people.

Downs also found that Chesterfield, an affluent white suburb with a population of 47,000 and an average per capita income of $50,000, collected just $1.2 million in fines.

The white paper also found that in the state of Missouri, blacks "are pulled over at a rate 63 percent greater rate than expected based solely on their population 16 and older."

The ArchCity Defenders' white paper
In Ferguson, for example, the town is 67 percent black, and 86 percent of traffic stops involve black drivers. They in turn are almost twice as likely to get searched and twice as likely to get arrested. Oddly, as the paper points out, "searches of black individuals result in the discovery of contraband only 21.7 percent of the time, while similar searches of whites produce contraband 34 percent of the time."

SNIP

In the year prior to Brown's killing, Harvey and his coworkers researched the courts system in the county and focused on three municipalities, of which Ferguson was one. In the subsequent white paper, they found that "by disproportionately stopping, charging and fining the poor minorities… and by incarcerating people for the failure to pay fines, these policies unintentionally push the poor further into poverty."

The paper describes the criminal justice system employed as a "product of a discorded, fragmented, and inefficient approach to a criminal justice in St. Louis county."

In the wake of the Brown killing, the ArchCity Defenders, along with the St. Louis University Legal Clinic, wrote an open letter asking for a general amnesty for outstanding fines and warrants in Ferguson. The letter notes that the municipality of Ferguson has more warrants issued than it has residents.

It also states, "For many young people, these warrants act as a barrier to employment and housing. Just as importantly, the psychological trauma of spending each day subject to arrest and incarceration is debilitating."


https://news.vice.com/article/things-in-ferguson-are-going-to-change-for-real

ETA I am not a minority but I am poor. These laws and rules of vehicle ownership are cumbersome and difficult for me to observe. And yet I do it. Because by virtue of being poor I do not get special treatment nor should I. I am suggesting that if an inordinate percentage of minority poor are being stopped it is because their registrations are out of date, as mine was recently and that stop cost me money I could ill afford, nor could I take time off from work to go to court and address it and have the fine removed because I had by then made the registration current. So I paid my fine waived my right to trial all online and moved on with my life, a bit poorer this month for it, but it was my duty as a citizen to make it right and observe the laws which apply to all, not just the rich or the white or the whatever. It applies to all of us, white black rich poor. And thast is how I believe it should be.

Thank you for finding it- so this basically means they are leaving the white community alone- like they do so much more frequently when searching cars, while focusing efforts on the black community.
Awesome.

 

[TheDuchess]

Yes, he was very polite and respectful to everyone, including the families and LE. And he just wanted to give his side of the story without taking any sides. JMO.

But he also pointed out that he never experienced anything like that in his entire life! And he hoped to never have to go through something like this again. IIRC.

You know what? This makes me mad. It is quite apparent how seriously and passionately this man takes his job. He has spent his life insuring the utmost respect to the remains of his fellow man and their families. Can you imagine how hearing all of this garbage has weighed on his soul?? He is just one of the victims of an unjustified smear campaign. I happen to believe OW is also an unjustified victim as well, but understand others may disagree, and that is fine until the GJ comes back. But these people are just slinging mud anywhere and everywhere seeing if something sticks, with no concern for anything innocent caught in the crossfire. Clergy members, politicians and officers of the court SHOULD be above all of that, but for some reason, in this case, they are not.

:gaah:

 

[Klood-N]

You know what? This makes me mad. It is quite apparent how seriously and passionately this man takes his job. He has spent his life insuring the utmost respect to the remains of his fellow man and their families. Can you imagine how hearing all of this garbage has weighed on his soul?? He is just one of the victims of an unjustified smear campaign. I happen to believe OW is also an unjustified victim as well, but understand others may disagree, and that is fine until the GJ comes back. But these people are just slinging mud anywhere and everywhere seeing if something sticks, with no concern for anything innocent caught in the crossfire. Clergy members, politicians and officers of the court SHOULD be above all of that, but for some reason, in this case, they are not.

:gaah:

Did you see the article about the dispatcher Anonymous misidentified as the officer and the hell he and others went through? And that was just a hint of what Darren must be going through. I believe the Chief and his friends have said he's mourning this while healing from his injuries, hiding for his and others' safety. If all we know to date holds true and it looks like it will he's the biggest victim out of many, in my opinion. According to Dorian, the officer warned Michael twice that he was going to shoot if I recall correctly. I don't think he wanted to. The pressure must be incredible on him. I hope the GJ finishes quickly so that cloud is past.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yeah, it seemed like a frightening environment from very early in this. Amazing that the angry mob caused the problem, then raged about the problem they caused, blaming others. I think it's pretty rotten that the family knew this and their attorneys still misled the public with their inflammatory accusations.

Theatrics ....lawyering 101...

Lol

IMO



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[sonjay]

Did you see the article about the dispatcher Anonymous misidentified as the officer and the hell he and others went through? And that was just a hint of what Darren must be going through. I believe the Chief and his friends have said he's mourning this while healing from his injuries, hiding for his and others' safety. If all we know to date holds true and it looks like it will he's the biggest victim out of many, in my opinion. According to Dorian, the officer warned Michael twice that he was going to shoot if I recall correctly. I don't think he wanted to. The pressure must be incredible on him. I hope the GJ finishes quickly so that cloud is past.

I ran across an article in WaPo about officers that kill in the line of duty. Lots in insight into the aftermath of such a shooting for the cop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ice-officers/2011/12/28/gIQAIxjS2Q_story.html

I really do feel sorry for OW. He's not only struggling with the psychological repercussions of having been forced to shoot and kill a man, but he's also facing possible criminal charges and possible federal civil right charges, and he may never be able to work as a police officer again.

 

[Oceans]

I just looked up one of the first media reports to reflect what went on that day, August 9.

IMO, some very strong, inflammatory statements were made by several "witnesses" which contributed to the chaos. IMO, those "witnesses" have been coached, they had lawyers present within a short time. Their statements had a HUGE impact how this case would be seen by many. Unfortunately, it's not illegal to give false statements to the media and the public, IMO.

On the other hand, LE was presented with a very difficult situation due to the overwhelming chaos and riots. JMO

Multiple investigations underway in Ferguson shooting

KMOV.com
Posted on August 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Updated Tuesday, Aug 12 at 12:44 PM

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com) – Tensions are high in Ferguson, Missouri and a large police presence is on hand after a teenager was shot to death by a police officer.

The St. Louis County Police Department held a press conference Sunday morning where they stated Brown was shot “more than just a couple of times” by a 6-year member of the Ferguson Police department.

The incident happened in a roadway Saturday afternoon near the Canfield Green Apartments in the 2900 block of Canfield.

Witnesses tell News 4 that Mike Brown, 18, was unarmed and had his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times by a Ferguson police officer.

Click here to view photos from the scene: Computer / Mobile

Dorian Johnson tells News 4 he was walking with Brown when the officer confronted them and drew his weapon.

“He (the officer) shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air,” said Dorian Johnson, a friend Brown’s. “He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots.”

Raw video: Interview with Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson

St. Louis County NAACP President Esther Haywood told News 4 that Brown was shot once by the officer and then an additional nine times as he lie in the street. Police have not confirmed that account.

Watch: witness describes officer involved shooting

“He was a good kid. He didn’t live around here,” said Desuirea Harris, grandmother of the victim. “He came to visit me and they did that to him for no reason.”

Ferguson Police called for assistance from St. Louis County and nearby municipalities as large, emotional crowds gathered at the scene. In all more than 100 officers from 15 departments responded to the area. Tactical teams in riot gear were also called in. At one point, a dumpster was set on fire in protest of the shooting. A section of West Florissant Avenue near the scene was closed for a time on Saturday evening.

Through Saturday afternoon and evening some among the crowds were yelling profanities at police demanding justice. At one point gun shots rang out in the area as investigators gathered evidence. That prompted numerous police canine units to move in and move the crowds back.

The St. Louis County NAACP says they have launched their own an investigation and plan to “get to the bottom of what has occurred and will work to ensure that justice is served for all victims involved.”

Haywood also released a statement saying: “We are hurt to hear that yet another teenaged boy has been slaughtered by law enforcement especially in light of the recent death of Eric Garner in New York who was killed for selling cigarettes. We plan to do everything within our power to ensure that the Ferguson Police Department as well as the St. Louis County Police Department releases all details pertinent to the shooting. We strongly encourage residents to stay away from the crime scene so that no additional citizens are injured. I have spoken directly with St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar, and I am confident that both he and his department will ensure that the investigation is conducted properly and that all details are kept transparent.”

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson says St. Louis County Police have taken over the investigation and the officer involved in the shooting has been put on paid administrative leave.

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Heavy-police-presence--270609091.html

 

[sonjay]

I don't want to hear another word about the body being left out in the open.

I couldn't agree more. But I'm sure we'll continue to hear that repeated ad nauseum. By people who know better.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I ran across an article in WaPo about officers that kill in the line of duty. Lots in insight into the aftermath of such a shooting for the cop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ice-officers/2011/12/28/gIQAIxjS2Q_story.html

I really do feel sorry for OW. He's not only struggling with the psychological repercussions of having been forced to shoot and kill a man, but he's also facing possible criminal charges and possible federal civil right charges, and he may never be able to work as a police officer again.

IMO no one in their right mind would want to go back to police work given what he's been put through.


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[sonjay]

I just looked up one of the first media reports to reflect what went on that day, August 9.

IMO, some very strong, inflammatory statements were made by several "witnesses" which contributed to the chaos. IMO, those "witnesses" have been coached, they had lawyers present within a short time. Their statements had a HUGE impact how this case would be seen by many. Unfortunately, it's not illegal to give false statements to the media and the public, IMO.
<snip>
Haywood also released a statement saying: “We are hurt to hear that yet another teenaged boy has been slaughtered by law enforcement especially in light of the recent death of Eric Garner in New York who was killed for selling cigarettes. We plan to do everything within our power to ensure that the Ferguson Police Department as well as the St. Louis County Police Department releases all details pertinent to the shooting. We strongly encourage residents to stay away from the crime scene so that no additional citizens are injured. I have spoken directly with St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar, and I am confident that both he and his department will ensure that the investigation is conducted properly and that all details are kept transparent.”

BBM ....the part that really jumps out at me. As if they were truly concerned that any people in the area might randomly be shot by rogue cops for no reason at all.

Funny.... I don't see anything in there about traffic tickets, though.

 

[CHERIE.T]

There are also some of MB's lyrics on this link. Difficult to tell what is truth and what is fantasy. I wonder if the reference to "blood" is about the gang. In those lyrics is as well the reference to "gangs" where I had the feeling MB felt like rejected, as I posted about earlier today. I also wonder if MB possibly 'smoked pills' as his lyrics indicate? JMO.

'Feel my pain. Smoking Swishers': Edited rap lyrics of Michael Brown

Heaven (ft. Two Cupz), posted July 25

Money on my mind I ain't got the time

Trying a nickel and a dime

Just trying to make a rhyme

So my baby eat on time…

Break it down and bag it up

The feds listen I've said enough

They knockin at my front door

I'm busting out my window



No Trust, July 27

...I've been smoking weed since 9 I've been getting her since 12

She say she don't trust me f*** I don't trust myself coz I've been hurt by a couple *****s


My Pain, August 3

Feel my pain. Feel my pain. Smoking Swishers

Feel my pain. Feel my pain. We're the same children Jesus made



Forgiveness, August 6

Smoking all this dope, till I choke mother******s are hating already

I ain't even made in any gang yet, matter fact f*** you and your opinions

My stepmomma got a (inaudible) help clarify your pain

Do you smoke weed keep doing what you do best



SMH Luh Vee, August 7

Hey blood I be counting money by myself. I'm a rich n**** so I got that wealth

These rags I ****ing these fine hoes by myself while out smoking all these pills

On my side of town when the sun goes down



You in trouble now, undated

Devil get up off my back

I knock you off your feet

Another man down in my city

Why people so petty?

Sure doesn't sound like religious music. :facepalm:

 

[Oceans]

BBM ....the part that really jumps out at me. As if they were truly concerned that any people in the area might randomly be shot by rogue cops for no reason at all.

Funny.... I don't see anything in there about traffic tickets, though.

I wondered about the highlighted part: did she mean no one gets injured by LE or the out-of-control-crowed who was shooting?

(Not the traffic tickets again! Baawww! LOL)

I believe so many people there are skeptical about LE because of their own, personal experience with LE. Like being caught for possession of drugs, marijuana etc. JMO.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I ran across an article in WaPo about officers that kill in the line of duty. Lots in insight into the aftermath of such a shooting for the cop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ice-officers/2011/12/28/gIQAIxjS2Q_story.html

I really do feel sorry for OW. He's not only struggling with the psychological repercussions of having been forced to shoot and kill a man, but he's also facing possible criminal charges and possible federal civil right charges, and he may never be able to work as a police officer again.

bbm
I said the same thing the other day.

 

[Truthy]

Where are these images of the big scary crowd in the first couple hours of the shooting?
I never saw anything remotely looking like a dangerous situation. Except for one or two shocked family members, every person stayed behind the yellow tape- didn't they? And congregated in small groups, often near media. They felt safe enough.

What was this fear actually based on- anyone with imaages that support this new story?