MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[MyBelle]

Brown had a clean record, the store owner suffered no serious injury and the theft was minor. A blow that leaves someone unconsious is a far more serious assault.

If only the store incident had occurred, why would Brown not be eligible for diversion?

"Minor" is your opinion. The video was all the proof needed to prove the assault and battery. Officer Wilson know Brown's record or the degree of assault at the time he stopped Brown who was walking IN THE STREET.

Cite a Missouri statute that a strong-arm robbery--a felony--is eligible for diversion. Thanks.

 

[DebinGA]

Did any reporting describe MB's relationship with his mom? I read that he was close to his stepmom, but nothing about him and his mom. Did Ms. McSpadden/Louis Head live at Canfield Green, as they seemed to be on scene very quickly?

 

[DebinGA]

I couldn't find mention of a press conference, but the Ferguson City Council is meeting for the first time since the shooting. Agenda below:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cil-meeting-since-the-michael-brown-shooting/

 

[reedus23]

I thinks there's a Press Conference today. Maybe there will be something new after that. Anyone know what time?

Thanks Apollo. What can that be about? Who is holding it?

 

[Klood-N]

Thanks Apollo. What can that be about? Who is holding it?

If you read back a page or two, I think there were some posts about it.

 

[SStarr33]

Did any reporting describe MB's relationship with his mom? I read that he was close to his stepmom, but nothing about him and his mom. Did Ms. McSpadden/Louis Head live at Canfield Green, as they seemed to be on scene very quickly?

She wrote a letter to him that was on his funeral program and she signed it "Love, Lesley".

 

[SStarr33]

I don't understand the part about how his mom told him he could do whatever he wanted this summer as a reward for graduating, because he went to school this summer and graduated in August.

 

[Apollo]

I couldn't find mention of a press conference, but the Ferguson City Council is meeting for the first time since the shooting. Agenda below:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...cil-meeting-since-the-michael-brown-shooting/

Thanks for posting the informative link. So the protests tomorrow are because Nixon won't appoint a special prosecutor. Good to know.

 

[Klood-N]

She wrote a letter to him that was on his funeral program and she signed it "Love, Lesley".

Did someone write it for her? That seems formal.

Well, at least now I know for sure how she spells her name. Various articles have her as Leslie and Lesley. Her dad is Leslie McSpadden, so that just made it more confusing.

 

[Apollo]

Thanks Apollo. What can that be about? Who is holding it?

I think I was mistaken---it's a City Council Meeting.

 

[Klood-N]

Thanks for posting the informative link. So the protests tomorrow are because Nixon won't appoint a special prosecutor. Good to know.

Could be part of this effort.

Sharpton, for his part, doesn’t plan to wait forever for backstage results: He told me he plans “a series of nonviolent protests to get McCullough out of the case within the next few weeks, when everything cools down a bit.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...on-obama-race-110249_Page3.html#ixzz3B8ZsM7JF

 

[reedus23]

At least one poster has claimed that MB would get 5-15 years in jail for stealing the cigars and shoving the store clerk. The football player committed a much more serious assault and was sentenced to diversion. So why should we take any stock in the 5-15 year claim?

Just my opinions but based on my experience, stealing the cigars would have likely ended up with a suspended imposition of sentence at worst, meaning it's off his record and never a guilty plea if he does his year or 2 clean or it may have been reduced to littering if he made restitution. I get why people want to make it into something, and to some degree it is something given the later incidents, but the "robbery" alone simply wasn't that much of a deal in the bigger picture of what goes on.

 

[MyBelle]

Just my opinions but based on my experience, stealing the cigars would have likely ended up with a suspended imposition of sentence at worst, meaning it's off his record and never a guilty plea if he does his year or 2 clean or it may have been reduced to littering if he made restitution. I get why people want to make it into something, and to some degree it is something given the later incidents, but the "robbery" alone simply wasn't that much of a deal in the bigger picture of what goes on.

I think just about anyone who works in store that sells liquor would view a strong-arm robbery to be a pretty "big deal." These people are trying to actually work for a living.

Please link with the Missouri statutes that would have allowed an adult charged with a strong-arm robbery to receive a suspended sentence and have it removed from their permanent record. Sounds like more fantasy than fact to me.

JMO

 

[LambChop]

"Minor" is your opinion. The video was all the proof needed to prove the assault and battery. Officer Wilson know Brown's record or the degree of assault at the time he stopped Brown who was walking IN THE STREET.

Cite a Missouri statute that a strong-arm robbery--a felony--is eligible for diversion. Thanks.

Isn't the sale tobacco products controlled by the Federal Government (ATF)?

 

[Klood-N]

I'm not sure where Michael lived or for how long. I'm not sure if it's part of a crumbling narrative, poor reporting, or both since it seems both are present in this case, but there have been several versions.
It's strange. I wonder if there were any conditions about living arrangements due to criminal charges against him or others, or social services involvement, or subsidized housing restrictions or benefits that are making it so hard for a simple truth to be told. It almost sounds like he just couch surfed between family and friends. He was eighteen, a young man, so he could live wherever he chose, but the inability to pin that down seems odd.

1) He was visiting grandma, but didn't live there

"They told me how many times my son was shot. Eight," said McSpadden. She said he was visiting his grandmother, who lives in the complex, and was returning from the store.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...olice-news-conference-michael-brown/13860601/

“He was a good kid. He didn’t live around here,” said Desuirea Harris, grandmother of the victim. “He came to visit me and they did that to him for no reason.”
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Heavy-police-presence--270609091.html


2) He lived with grandma

They never married, and Brown, who has two sisters and a brother, bounced between the homes his parents shared with their respective spouses. When his mother moved out of the school district, according to friends, Brown began living with his grandmother in the Canfield Green apartment complex.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9b47ba-2ee2-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html


Livingston walked Daily RFT down Canfield to the low-slung apartment buildings where Brown was living with his grandmother. In the dimly lit front room, the family spoke fondly of the teenager. Some of them sat on the couch that he used as his bed. They say he slept like a rock on it, despite his big frame.
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mike_brown_shooting_ferguson_family.php

Good boy in a bad 'hood: Mike Mike, as the family called him (pictured with brother Andre, now 7 and sister Deja, now 14) had won a place at college and was told by his mother to 'do what he wanted this summer' as a reward. He chose to stay at his grandmother's house where the aspiring rapper had a makeshift studio
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-shocking-video-just-real-Michael-Brown.html

3) Michael lived with his two grandmothers, mother, and father in their respective homes?

Growing up, he lived under one roof with his parents, paternal grandparents and, later, a younger sister.

After his parents split up, he stayed with his mother though he remained close to all of his family, who lived near one another in north St. Louis County.

When his mother moved out of the Normandy District, he moved in with his paternal grandmother so he could remain at that school. But he continued to alternate between his parents and maternal grandmother.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/u...eeks-grappling-with-lifes-mysteries.html?_r=0


4) Michael lived with friends

Brown stayed at Canfield with friends and, earlier this year, with his grandmother at the adjacent Northwinds apartments.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-michael-brown-20140817-story.html


I honestly feel for him. It's hard to grow up with instability, if that's the case. Four different high schools tells a story, though.

I noticed when I posted this and read back through the quotes that one article has Grandma living in Canfield Green apartments and one in Northwind Apartments. I just checked, and it looks like they're different complexes.

I wonder who the friends were in Canfield he stayed with. Sounds like he was on the couch when staying at one grandma's. I wonder if he ever crashed on Dorian's couch. That'd make his eviction impact Michael more too.

 

[reedus23]

I think I was mistaken---it's a City Council Meeting.

Acutally I saw katydid said she heard on CNN or somewhere that MB's mom planned on holding a press conference. I stopped reading up on it at that point so don't know if it's still planned or not.

 

[Klood-N]

Isn't the sale tobacco products controlled by the Federal Government (ATF)?

Good point! I think DebinGA had posted an ATF warning to Ferguson Market earlier today. Could Federal charges have come in to play?

Thanks for pointing out earlier that there are special charges involved when an officer is assaulted.

 

[sonjay]

Just my opinions but based on my experience, stealing the cigars would have likely ended up with a suspended imposition of sentence at worst, meaning it's off his record and never a guilty plea if he does his year or 2 clean or it may have been reduced to littering if he made restitution. I get why people want to make it into something, and to some degree it is something given the later incidents, but the "robbery" alone simply wasn't that much of a deal in the bigger picture of what goes on.

Well, I have to say, IMO, a strong-arm robbery would be a pretty big deal for most people.

What MB may have been convicted of vis-a-vis the strong-arm robbery, and/or what kind of sentence he would have received, doesn't change the fact that he committed a strong-arm robbery, and doesn't change the fact that he assaulted a police officer a mere 10 minutes later. I get why people want to minimize the strong-arm robbery, but it really was a pretty serious crime, especially in light of what happened almost immediately afterward.

 

[popsicle]

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At 1:30 p.m. activists holding press conference responding to proposed changes in #Ferguson police, court systems.



They will 'stage' a pc not hold one hmm

 

[SStarr33]

Did someone write it for her? That seems formal.

Well, at least now I know for sure how she spells her name. Various articles have her as Leslie and Lesley. Her dad is Leslie McSpadden, so that just made it more confusing.

I would assume she wrote it herself. And I'm not sure formal is the best word, but I'm having trouble coming up with a better one.