MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

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Isn't the sale tobacco products controlled by the Federal Government (ATF)?


I think all the feds have to do with it has to do with taxes and registration of the alcohol but the state statute would be about the strong-arm robbery itself.
 
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I thinks there's a Press Conference today. Maybe there will be something new after that. Anyone know what time?

There was a public event yesterday re the highway shutdown tomorrow, but I don't know if questions were taken. It's scheduled for tomorrow at 3:00 p.m., and activist/attorney Ed Vickers provided details of where to meet-up. Vickers is on staff of the local Ferguson Rep Jamillah Nasheed, who stands behind her man despite his recent arrest:

http://fox2now.com/2014/02/18/missouri-senator-nasheeds-staffer-charged-for-marijuana-possession/
 
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I think just about anyone who works in store that sells liquor would view a strong-arm robbery to be a pretty "big deal." These people are trying to actually work for a living.

Please link with the Missouri statutes that would have allowed an adult charged with a strong-arm robbery to receive a suspended sentence and have it removed from their permanent record. Sounds like more fantasy than fact to me.

JMO

Meh. That is such a non-issue but here.

http://www.courts.mo.gov/page.jsp?id=45441

Can you provide a link that SIS's can't/aren't utlized? Sounds more like denial and tunnel vision than it does going into an issue with an open mind.
 
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Acutally I saw katydid said she heard on CNN or somewhere that MB's mom planned on holding a press conference. I stopped reading up on it at that point so don't know if it's still planned or not.

Yes, I absolutely heard that on CNN early this morning. I stopped in my tracks and listened but it was just a one line blurb. No other info followed. The statement [paraphrased] was " Michael Browns parents will be holding a press conference soon to ask again why the officer has not been arrested for their son's murder."

I immediately googled to see where and when, but nothing came up. ?
 
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There was a public event yesterday re the highway shutdown tomorrow, but I don't know if questions were taken. It's scheduled for tomorrow at 3:00 p.m., and activist/attorney Ed Vickers provided details of where to meet-up. Vickers is on staff of the local Ferguson Rep Jamillah Nasheed, who stands behind her man despite his recent arrest:

http://fox2now.com/2014/02/18/missouri-senator-nasheeds-staffer-charged-for-marijuana-possession/

Nasheed's comment about Vickers: " I expect this matter to play itself out in a court of law and not through the media." Seems to me she likes to pick and choose what should play itself out in a court of law and what should play itself out in the media.
 
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Just found a twitter user by the name of Peace Queen who said:

Time awaiting ... If we don't get Darren Wilson ... the city will burn! #Ferguson

:)
 
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Well, I have to say, IMO, a strong-arm robbery would be a pretty big deal for most people.

What MB may have been convicted of vis-a-vis the strong-arm robbery, and/or what kind of sentence he would have received, doesn't change the fact that he committed a strong-arm robbery, and doesn't change the fact that he assaulted a police officer a mere 10 minutes later. I get why people want to minimize the strong-arm robbery, but it really was a pretty serious crime, especially in light of what happened almost immediately afterward.

Pretty sure we're saying the same thing to some extent. It is more relevant because of what happened afterwards.

As for the incident at the store alone, first, he's not guilty of anything. For everyone that is so adamant about the "innocent until proven guilty" principles for OW I find it amusing that the same principles are discarded when it comes to MB. Yes, we've seen the video and yes, I wouldn't be surprised that some sort of charges would have/could have been brought, but that doesn't change the fact that we're throwing around legal terms as if he were convicted of anything. He hasn't.

Having said that, I understand the righteous indignation over the "robbery" and yes, it's important to the store owner, but that doesn't change the fact that this "robbery" falls somewhere in the middle of a continuum if one was rating the severity of crimes.
 
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STL Public Radio ‏@stlpublicradio 11m
At 1:30 p.m. activists holding press conference responding to proposed changes in #Ferguson police, court systems.
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They will 'stage' a pc not hold one hmm

Thank you, Popsicle. You're an invaluable resource.

So, the "activists" are "staging" a PC? That's odd wording. I wonder if that word selection means they'll discuss which "demands" haven't been met yet, or new ones? I had only heard the term "demands" in relation to hostage takers and terrorists before Michael's death.
 
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Good grief! Read this only if you think a Missouri law firm "ad" providing a long list of examples (below) of getting their guilty clients off almost scott free is free enterprise at its finest:

http://www.peters-lawyers.com/Results.html

The many examples do support the idea that MB may have walked on the store robbery imo.
 
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I noticed when I posted this and read back through the quotes that one article has Grandma living in Canfield Green apartments and one in Northwind Apartments. I just checked, and it looks like they're different complexes.

I wonder who the friends were in Canfield he stayed with. Sounds like he was on the couch when staying at one grandma's. I wonder if he ever crashed on Dorian's couch. That'd make his eviction impact Michael more too.

snippets.

Sometime in March, a buddy stopped by with a stranger.

“Wow,” Johnson said, “that’s a big dude.”

The dude, Michael Brown, was 6-foot-4, and he had brushed past Johnson with barely a hello as he headed to the video-game console and began to play.

“I asked, ‘Why he don’t speak?’ ” Johnson recalled in a 90-minute interview with The Washington Post last week — his first interview since federal authorities questioned him shortly after the shooting, his attorneys said.



On the morning of the fatal encounter, it was Brown who reached out to Johnson, looking for someone to talk to about starting school and other anxieties, according to two people who have spoken with Johnson.

“He just wanted someone to talk to,” said Damonte Johnson, one of Dorian Johnson’s younger brothers. “So my brother said, ‘I’m headed to the store. Come and walk and talk with me.’ ”



The time he and Johnson spent together included activities common for some their age: They played video games late into the night, occasionally smoked weed, made music and talked about better lives.



His parents, Michael Brown Sr. and Lesley McSpadden, were teenagers when he was born. They never married, and Brown, who has two sisters and a brother, bounced between the homes his parents shared with their respective spouses. When his mother moved out of the school district, according to friends, Brown began living with his grandmother in the Canfield Green apartment complex.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9b47ba-2ee2-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html
 
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Meh. That is such a non-issue but here.

http://www.courts.mo.gov/page.jsp?id=45441

Can you provide a link that SIS's can't/aren't utlized? Sounds more like denial and tunnel vision than it does going into an issue with an open mind.

Tunnel vision? It's right in the statute for Armed Criminal Action.

Armed criminal action, defined, penalty.

571.015. 1. Except as provided in subsection 4 of this section, any person who commits any felony under the laws of this state by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon is also guilty of the crime of armed criminal action and, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment by the department of corrections and human resources for a term of not less than three years. The punishment imposed pursuant to this subsection shall be in addition to any punishment provided by law for the crime committed by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon. No person convicted under this subsection shall be eligible for parole, probation, conditional release or suspended imposition or execution of sentence for a period of three calendar years.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000015.htm

FROM YOUR LINK:

Section 558.011, RSMo. Authorized terms of imprisonment including conditional release:
Felony Class A 10 to 30 years or life
Felony Class B 5 to 15 years
Felony Class C Not to exceed 7 years
Felony Class D Not to exceed 4 years

 
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