MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[bettybaby00]

Organizers now call for protestors to gather at 3 p.m. Wednesday, September 10 in the Metro public parking lot at the intersection of Interstate 70 and Hanley Road. After a rally, protestors plan to block traffic at 4:30 p.m., symbolizing the four and a half hours that Michael Brown’s lifeless body was left lying on Canfield Drive after Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson shot him at least six times and killed him.

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/political_eye/article_719907d2-33de-11e4-96bc-001a4bcf887a.html

It's interesting to me that the concept of "they" is viewed as unfair as it doesn't accurately portray all those trying to effect positive change. Yet it's quite palatable when they continue to base their grievances on misleading, prejudicial and false information.

In broad daylight no less.
SMH

 

[Linda7NJ]

I totally understand what you are saying. But at the same time, there is a very large group of people, in Ferguson area, that are promising civil unrest if OW is not immediately arrested. I think that it is logical to use the word 'they' for a group that marches and chants in unison. jmo :cow:

Oh by ALL means feel free to lump those demanders of the police officer's head on a platter together!
Same with the dangerous misguided fools threatening to burn the city down or block traffic on the interstate.

Grouping specifically that way... I'm cool




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[reedus23]

I have to wonder if they intentionally are using the term "gentle giant" because it is in reference to the mentally-impaired character Lennie, Steinbeck portrayed in Of Mice and Men and applied to those who commit crimes and don't realize it because of their mental impairment. For whatever reason, Brown had difficulty completing high school. He had no driver's license.

I have to wonder if he was able to pass the driving test but I think he was dangerous and his family was well aware of it, which is why he was crashing on his grandmother's sofa rather than in a bed of his own.

JMO


“I think [John Steinbeck] would be pleased that the world recognizes that Lennie is a gentle giant who is not morally culpable, and that people like Lennie, people who are not the worst of the worst…should never be subject to the death penalty even though they might have caused someone’s death,” she says.

Cochran admits she’s far more comfortable interpreting the law than writing it, and she wishes Texas lawmakers would get around to defining intellectual disabilities for death row appeals. But for now, or at least until the Supreme Court changes it, her ruling—including Lennie Small–is the law of the land in Texas.



http://www.lifeofthelaw.org/judging-steinbeck-lennie/

I am truly curious when the last time gentle giant was used by a MB supporter. I know I recall the statement very early on, nearly a month ago now, but since then it seems the only people I hear perpetuating that phrase are MB detractors.

Ok, I went back it I saw that phrase attributed to 2 groups. His uncle and his teachers. Is it not possible that in his interactions with those limited groups that he was a "gentle giant"? I get it that there is a lot more to MB than just that and there was a completely different side to him, but I'm just trying to understand the angst over it all. Or is the angst more with the media for only reporting that? In which case it's unfair to hold that against MB supporters.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's interesting to me that the concept of "they" is viewed as unfair as it doesn't accurately portray all those trying to effect positive change. Yet it's quite palatable when they continue to base their grievances on misleading, prejudicial and false information.

In broad daylight no less.
SMH

Especially in board daylight!



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[Klood-N]

The attorney is calling for an arrest before an indictment. Right.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am truly curious when the last time gentle giant was used by a MB supporter. I know I recall the statement very early on, nearly a month ago now, but since then it seems the only people I hear perpetuating that phrase are MB detractors.

Ok, I went back it I saw that phrase attributed to 2 groups. His uncle and his teachers. Is it not possible that in his interactions with those limited groups that he was a "gentle giant"? I get it that there is a lot more to MB than just that and there was a completely different side to him, but I'm just trying to understand the angst over it all. Or is the angst more with the media for only reporting that? In which case it's unfair to hold that against MB supporters.

I'm quite certain he wasn't walking around daily assaulting, attacking and robbing.
No one is ALL bad.

IMO it's irrelevant ...Hilter was an animal lover...YKWIM?


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[bettybaby00]

The attorney is calling for an arrest before an indictment. Right.

Mark Furman was on MK the other week, and detailed quite effectly how, when, and by whom OW would have been questioned that day/night. Unlike the witnesses we've seen on all the talk shows, he doesn't have the luxury of tailoring his statements after the fact.

 

[al66pine]

I think we missed it:
https://twitter.com/FrancesRobles/status/509360128358100992

I'm a couple hours behind, so sorry if this has already been discussed.
Twitter image shows MB's Mom and man w LE hat and chains around neck, but not LE uniform.
Q1 - Is that Shahid (sp?), StL activist? If not him, who?
Q2 - What are other items hanging from around his neck.
Q3 In my very un-informed opn, could they be Go-Pro cameras?
Or what?
Q4 If Go-Pros or other cams, why so many?
Q5 To give out to other 'activists?'

Thx in adv.

 

[Lovejac]

You asked for the link and I provided it that proves Mr. Brown would NOT have received a suspended sentence as you claimed nor would it be wiped from his record. A strong-arm robbery DOES involve a use of a weapon. The security video DID capture Mr. Brown physically assaulting and intimidating the store clerk.

I think we all should stick to the facts of this case and not invent our own version of facts.

JMO

You'll be told to stick to the facts of this case

 

[reedus23]

The attorney is calling for an arrest before an indictment. Right.

katydid or others could probably answer this better than me, but is it really unusual to have an arrest before an indictment? Honestly don't know.

 

[branwynbreeze]

http://www.ksdk.com/story/sports/hi...normandy-football-honors-mike-brown/14430259/
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mike_brown_shooting_ferguson_family.php

"He wanted to go there and do the music thing, he also wanted to go to another college because he wanted to play football. His coach at his school in Normandy said that he could do that, get into a college playing football," said Harris, Brown's grandmother.

Seems MB did play football

Well, the ones I mentioned earlier, where I got called on the carpet for using "they." To wit:

MB was a Gentle Giant. DJ and MB were just walking home from the store when the cop stopped and grabbed the Gentle Giant and started pulling him into the car. MB was profiled. He was shot in the back while on his knees surrendering with his hands up. His body was left lying uncovered for hours. He was executed, murdered, and "gunned down in the street like a dog."

And whatever other lies the liars are telling. (I almost said "whatever other lies they're telling," but then I'd get called out again for using "they.")

Other lies might include things like he didn't play football because he was "too timid" (he played offensive tackle). He had a clean record (maybe he only had minor stuff on his record, but it's pretty clear he had a record). He was going to college (he may have been going to trade school, but even that's in question). There have been so many lies so far that I can't keep track of all of them.

 

[krimekat]

The family has not been honest with us, imo. They knew their son had robbed that store and assaulted the little old man,10 minutes before the shooting. They knew he had a few brushes with the law.


They knew several things that have leaked out slowly. They went along with Crumps attempt to create a false narrative, imo. Just today they held a press conference to ask why the officer has not been arrested yet. Even though they know the Grand Jury is ongoing.

apparently, due process is not warranted to officers of the law; GJ meets again tomorrow -- KMOX 1120am plays snippets of the Presser held earlier today but I have not found a link as to the message . . . pretty disturbing if you ask me!

 

[Linda7NJ]

apparently, due process is not warranted to officers of the law; GJ meets again tomorrow -- KMOX 1120am plays snippets of the Presser held earlier today but I have not found a link as to the message . . . pretty disturbing if you ask me!

Demanding and screaming about civil rights while denying others theirs....ironic huh?

The ignorance of many people are being exploited and made to look ridiculous to intelligent law abiding citizens.

IMO


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[katydid23]

katydid or others could probably answer this better than me, but is it really unusual to have an arrest before an indictment? Honestly don't know.

The purpose of the indictment is to get the green light for an arrest. The purpose for the grand jury hearings is for the prosecutor to show the jurors the evidence and they decide if there is cause for an arrest. If so, there is a True Bill, or an indictment. So yes, it is backwards to arrest someone before the indictment. jmo


ETA:


indictment
n. a charge of a felony (serious crime) voted by a Grand Jury based upon a proposed charge, witnesses' testimony and other evidence presented by the public prosecutor (District Attorney). To bring an indictment the Grand Jury will not find guilt, but only the probability that a crime was committed, that the accused person did it and that he/she should be tried

 

[krimekat]

http://player.radio.com/listen/station/newsradio-1120-kmox

Antonio French live on KMOX 1120am StL Radio -- coming up next

StL City Alderman with No Direct contact with Ferguson except his political aspirations

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/departments/aldermen/profiles/antonio-french.cfm

 

[Lovejac]

Still?! Even after the jig is up, ie the livery driver information shows they both know and are the reason he lay there that long? Manufactured crisis??

Exactly, They don't care to acknowledge the facts of why he layed there. Doesn't fit into the agenda.

 

[sonjay]

1) He was visiting grandma, but didn't live there
2) He lived with grandma
3) Michael lived with his two grandmothers, mother, and father in their respective homes?

The grandma angle has been niggling at me, and I just figured out why. Early on, very shortly after the shooting before anyone really had any idea what had happened, it was reported that the grandma saw him running in her neighborhood.

Here:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/missouri-crowd-after-shooting-kill-police

Brown's grandmother, Desiree Harris, said she saw him running in her neighborhood Saturday afternoon when she passed him in her car. Just minutes later, after she returned home, she heard a commotion and went outside to check on it. Less than two blocks away, she found Brown's body.

"He was running this way," she said. "When I got up there, my grandson was lying on the pavement."
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This was even reported and discussed here on this forum, here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...own&p=10853402&highlight=desiree#post10853402

I notice that pretty quickly the grandmother's sighting of MB was changed to the grandmother saw him "walking" in her neighborhood, and shortly after that the grandmother's sighting ceased to be mentioned.

Did grandma just miss seeing the shooting? Is is possible that grandma actually saw the shooting? We have no reason to believe that MB was running prior to the altercation at the car, so if she really did see him running, she must have seen him while he was running either toward or away from OW.

She seemed willing enough to talk to the media initially, but she's hardly been seen or heard from since, except for her attendance at the funeral.

This makes me go "hmmmm......"

 

[branwynbreeze]

Thinking today if OW willfully choose to kill MB why did it take so many shots?

 

[MyBelle]

I am truly curious when the last time gentle giant was used by a MB supporter. I know I recall the statement very early on, nearly a month ago now, but since then it seems the only people I hear perpetuating that phrase are MB detractors.

Ok, I went back it I saw that phrase attributed to 2 groups. His uncle and his teachers. Is it not possible that in his interactions with those limited groups that he was a "gentle giant"? I get it that there is a lot more to MB than just that and there was a completely different side to him, but I'm just trying to understand the angst over it all. Or is the angst more with the media for only reporting that? In which case it's unfair to hold that against MB supporters.

Gentle Giant was used in the eulogy at the funeral. You can't fault the media for reporting this fact.

“Michael Brown’s blood is crying from the ground. Crying for vengeance, crying for justice.” Brown’s great uncle, Pastor Charles Ewing, said in the eulogy.

“We called him the gentle giant. We called him Big Mike. We called him Mike Mike. He said one day the world will know my name.”



http://nypost.com/2014/08/25/hundreds-line-up-to-attend-michael-browns-funeral/

 

[Elley Mae]

The purpose of the indictment is to get the green light for an arrest. The purpose for the grand jury hearings is for the prosecutor to show the jurors the evidence and they decide if there is cause for an arrest. If so, there is a True Bill, or an indictment. So yes, it is backwards to arrest someone before the indictment. jmo

All lawyers should know that. And Attorneys too.:fence: