MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[CHERIE.T]

I think there is a big difference in being poor and perpetual poverty. It is a different mind set. If you have generations of people living in poverty that is different than being poor at a time in your life. I have been poor, Many years ago when I moved out of my parents affluent neighborhood and on my own. It was hard, But that is not poverty. That is just really tight and poor living for a time.

I think that unless you live in a constant state of poverty, You can not understand the impact it has on your life. The smallness of how life feels.
The way you think about money and purpose. JMO

As for the Feds, I am glad they are here. I think that the way the dept handled this along with the mayor and other officials, The way some officers felt it was fine to point loaded guns at protesters not causing any trouble, is a huge problem. They are supposed to be there to help the people not just treat everyone as a trouble maker. I think this dept should be looked into.

If I got a ticket, I would not expect them to come and investigate unless I ended up dead.

cbm
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[Lovejac]

Retweeted by Craig Cheatham
Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 6h

Wednesday's Events:@MariaChappelleN Bus Trip to Capitol at 8am#STL City Hearing on Lethal Force Policy at 10amHighway Shutdown at 3pm

Sounds like a busy Wednesday. Good thing Maria Chappelle is leaving at 8 am so she won't get stuck in the highway shutdown.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where are the officials demanding the laws be obeyed and arrests will be made by anyone attempting to stop traffic???

Where are the warnings?

This positively would not be put up with where I live.


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[katydid23]

I found this info about a NC police officer who was arrested before he was indicted for voluntary manslaughter of an unarmed man.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...enies-effort-to-block-grand.html#.VA9QA4zn9ZQ

There's also a recent high profile case involving a private citizen who was arrested prior to being indicted - Justin Ross Harris (WS has a sub-forum dedicated to this case).

Apparently, it's not unheard of for a police officer or a private citizen to be arrested before an indictment is handed down.

The above two cases notwithstanding, I think Gray needs to remember that in order to arrest someone prior to an indictment, probable cause must exist.

Gray may believe personally that probable cause does exist, but probable cause must be supported by evidence, not just the shaky testimony of a few alleged eye-witnesses whose accounts may differ dramatically from other eye-witness accounts.

Right. It is possible for the District Atty's office to arrest someone before an indictment. But that only happens if there is probable cause, that is well evident, and obvious. we don't have that in this case. jmo

 

[CHERIE.T]

I used to care about that, too. Now, I want them to stop lying about the shooting and stop calling for OW's death before I'm willing to care again about those things. MB was a Gentle Giant. DJ and MB were just walking home from the store when the cop stopped and grabbed the Gentle Giant and started pulling him into the car. MB was profiled. He was shot in the back while on his knees surrendering with his hands up. His body was left lying uncovered for hours. He was executed, murdered, and "gunned down in the street like a dog."

If OW isn't arrested, charged, convicted and put to death, they will make the earlier protests look like child's play.

They need to stop with the lies, the rioting, and the inflammatory rhetoric. And the death threats. That has to come first, before I can even begin to care about the rest.

Just think, locals acted like they did-- rioting, looting, setting fires, breaking windows, etc. before the case even went before the GJ. The GJ meets to decide if there is enough evidence for this case to even precede.
OW has not been charged with any crime.
IF there is no true bill, all hell will break. imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Right. It is possible for the District Atty's office to arrest someone before an indictment. But that only happens if there is probable cause, that is well evident, and obvious. we don't have that in this case. jmo

If there was a speck of evidence it was a bad shoot ...he could have been arrested immediately.


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[popsicle]

Craig Cheatham ‏@CheathamKMOV 7m
#Ferguson City Atty: "there is no administrative review" of Officer Wilson's use of deadly force, PD waiting until other probes are over.

 

[popsicle]

Craig Cheatham ‏@CheathamKMOV 4m
#Ferguson City Atty: USDOJ is reviewing all Ferguson PD internal investigations of use of force for at least the last 4 years.

 

[MyBelle]

Where are the officials demanding the laws be obeyed and arrests will be made by anyone attempting to stop traffic???

Where are the warnings?



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Why warn about arrests? Anybody stupid enough to participate deserves to be arrested and their vehicle impounded. Cha ching!!

 

[krimekat]

That's a really long long list...what's the penalty?


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pedestrians are not legally allowed on roads deemed Interstates by MO statute -- don't know the penalty 'cause this Statute does not address penalty, just what is/is not allowed by MO

 

[krimekat]

bbm That has bothered me. Don't know why, but it is different from the rest for them to have to single it out. I do wonder what did happen there. I wonder if it is a graze from a bullet or a wound from another source.

like by grabbing a gun?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I think we missed it:

https://twitter.com/FrancesRobles/status/509360128358100992

.parents are...calling for OW's arrest.
Who do these people think they are?
Are they above the law?
Above GJ proceedings and it's finding?

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]The Media and Ferguson: A Mixed Review[/h]
http://www.thecrimereport.org/viewp...-ferguson-a-mixed-review#.VA9WfJLvTLo.twitter

 

[CHERIE.T]

Just found a twitter user by the name of Peace Queen who said:

Time awaiting ... If we don't get Darren Wilson ... the city will burn! #Ferguson

Another lovely citizen. :slap:
She should be arrested as a terrorist threat.

 

[sorrell skye]

Right. It is possible for the District Atty's office to arrest someone before an indictment. But that only happens if there is probable cause, that is well evident, and obvious. we don't have that in this case. jmo

I agree Katy. Probable cause must exist - per the Fourth Amendment.

I posted the info regarding arrests prior to an indictment because there have been several pages of posts here insisting that it never happens, when, in fact, it does happen.

 

[krimekat]

Where are the officials demanding the laws be obeyed and arrests will be made by anyone attempting to stop traffic???

Where are the warnings?

This positively would not be put up with where I live.


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It won't be put up with here either . . . noting there are at least 2 major alternative routes people could use instead of I70 . . . heck, tornadoes are excepted tomorrow afternoon in the area, so

 

[sonjay]

Right. It is possible for the District Atty's office to arrest someone before an indictment. But that only happens if there is probable cause, that is well evident, and obvious. we don't have that in this case. jmo

I believe also that once an arrest is made, it starts the clock ticking on whatever deadlines exist for various things.... formal charges, arraignment, bail hearings, etc.

There was a lot of forensic evidence to gather and analyze, and a lot of witnesses to interview. By taking it to the GJ before making an arrest, they give themselves time to do those things. Even so, they started presenting evidence to the GJ even before completing their investigation, which is itself an unusual step. (No link, but that was widely reported in the MSM as an unusual step.)

 

[Lovejac]

Respectfully snipped by me

"We're wondering why Darren Wilson has been granted immunity. He is a criminal. He killed an 18-year-old, college-bound, unarmed young man."

"We are not going to be satisfied with a non-indictment."

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...rest-in-michael-brown-shooting-grow/15335455/

UBM Finally! The truth!

 

[CHERIE.T]

They say a picture is worth 1000 words.....

What 'words' does this represents?

 

[krimekat]

Craig Cheatham ‏@CheathamKMOV 4m
#Ferguson City Atty: USDOJ is reviewing all Ferguson PD internal investigations of use of force for at least the last 4 years.

well, it will last as long as Holder is holding the office