MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #17

[momrids6]

I'm wondering can someone suggest a more productive way this meeting could have been played out?

Or if you think it was productive I wold love to hear why and what was accomplished.

TIA.

We have to be put on the calendar to speak ( not just make a comment) at a government meeting- allows for one to be heard, held accountable and for others to listen, imo.

General brief comments from the floor are allowed at a certain time of each meeting. One raises their hand, is acknowledged by the foreman, and person then briefly comments. Council responds, sometimes asking for minutes at next meeting to discuss whatever 'issue" at hand.

If they want to do more than comment, and keep rambling on, they are told to sign up for time at the next meeting, or submit further by written correspondence.

 

[katydid23]

That is almost as bad as someone saying OW should be charged with no GJ or preliminary hearing. How about the system plays itself out and he'll be charged or not charged in due course.

But she is not threatening to light any cars on fire or loot ay stores, if it doesn't happen immediately.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'll tell you something, neither have I!

I am so thankful to live in my racially diverse area where this problem doesn't exist!

I live about 30-40 minutes away from the murder capital of the country. Camden.
They've restructured the police force and have had some success.

"For too long, Camden has been one of the most dangerous cities in New Jersey, and in America," said Governor Chris Christie in his State of the State Address this year. He wasn't kidding.

Plagued by drugs, homelessness and poverty, Camden had the highest crime rate in the nation among cities of 75,000 residents or more, according to CQ Press' City Crime Rankings 2014, which are based on an analysis of FBI statistics from 2012.

Last spring, the state transferred the responsibility of policing Camden from the city to the county. It seems to be helping. More officers have been hired and manpower is up about 30%, according to chief Scott Thomson.

Related: 10 cities people are moving to

"We've been able to put more officers in unstable neighborhoods and suppress flagrant crime," he said.

Camden recorded 57 homicides in 2013, down from 67 the year before and violent crime of all types fell 38% year-over-year in January, according to Thomson.

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/real_estate/2014/02/03/dangerous-cities/

Racism isn't the problem there. Everyone knows it. It's the drugs, gangs and poverty.






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I live in a racially diverse city too, thankfully so......after listening to tonight's council meeting, my heart is heavy for the people in Ferguson. So much hate and they imo dont have a clue how to change things or how a city works or who to go to for advice and mentoring.
Why havent these citizens been involved with city govt before now?

Someone needs to step forward and advise and teach these folks basic city govt rules and procedures.
Demands, shouting, looting and marches will have little to no baring on the changes they want.
IMO their words spoken tonight made things worse, not better.

 

[Angelonline]

We have to be put on the calendar to speak ( not just make a comment) at a government meeting- allows for one to be heard, held accountable and for others to listen, imo.

General brief comments from the floor are allowed at a certain time of each meeting. One raises their hand, is acknowledged by the foreman, and person then briefly comments.

If they want to do more than comment, and keep rambling on, they are told to sign up for time at the next meeting.

Ours are run that way as well. You must apply to be on the calendar, they only allow a certain number of speakers each month, and you have a time limit. I am not sure any of that would work in Ferguson, however.

I was completely flabbergasted by the speaker who was upset with the citizens counsel proposal. I would think that would be a great way to have input. It did not appear that tonights speakers wanted to have input, but instead complete control.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ours are run that way as well. You must apply to be on the calendar, they only allow a certain number of speakers each month, and you have a time limit. I am not sure any of that would work in Ferguson, however.
I was completely flabbergasted by the speaker who was upset with the citizens counsel proposal. I would think that would be a great way to have input.

It's a start at least!


Had the woman that wanted to sue them all.
One refused to acknowledge them as city counsel
One wanted their jobs

Lord of the Flies comes to mind.



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[gramcracker]

Ok, I'm done with the serious stuff for the night. It all becomes so repetitive after a while.

Just for fun. Feel free to ignore. Gonna test the sleuthers' sleuthing capabilities. This should be easy an easy one for y'all and there is kind of sort of a connection to the case.

There is a former St. Louis County judge who was hired by the Missouri Attorney General Koster to run the civil rights division among other things (though she may now be retired all together. Not sure). This Judge has a very very famous dad. Who was he? If I give the name of the Judge it will just be too simple.

Jimmy Hoffa (daughter Barbara Crancer)

 

[i.b.nora]

Ok, I'm done with the serious stuff for the night. It all becomes so repetitive after a while.

Just for fun. Feel free to ignore. Gonna test the sleuthers' sleuthing capabilities. This should be easy an easy one for y'all and there is kind of sort of a connection to the case.

There is a former St. Louis County judge who was hired by the Missouri Attorney General Koster to run the civil rights division among other things (though she may now be retired all together. Not sure). This Judge has a very very famous dad. Who was he? If I give the name of the Judge it will just be too simple.

Barbara Ann Crancer. A former St. Louis County Associate Circuit Court Judge. She is the daughter of former Teamsters Union president Jimmy Hoffa and Josephine Hoffa.

 

[momrids6]

It's a start at least!


Had the woman that wanted to sue them all.
One refused to acknowledge them as city counsel
One wanted their jobs

Lord of the Flies comes to mind.



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There would have been many arrests if that meeting was held here- or many other cities in this country.

 

[reedus23]

Jimmy Hoffa (daughter Barbara Crancer)

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Well done. How long did it take or did you already know?

 

[reedus23]

Barbara Ann Crancer. A former St. Louis County Associate Circuit Court Judge. She is the daughter of former Teamsters Union president Jimmy Hoffa and Josephine Hoffa.

Well done. Know it or how long did it take to find? Not long obviously.

 

[i.b.nora]

Well done. Know it or how long did it take to find? Not long obviously.

I did not know it but I know it now.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Ferguson was recently featured on FOX 2 and the coverage is archived for your viewing. Stop on by for a visit....you will stay!

http://www.homefinder.com/MO/Ferguson/207-Tiffin-Avenue-108002633d

House for sale in Ferguson. Realtor should edit ad, it's been listed for 114 days and I doubt MB coverage is what they are talking about.

 

[i.b.nora]

I thought the meeting tonight was fabulous and really interesting. It renewed my faith in the people of Ferguson.

I am positive I will be jumped on for having an opinion that is different than the majority of people posting on this topic at WS.

If the council members really listened tonight to what people had to say, and if they can all work together, I hold out hope that life in Ferguson can improve for all. The key of course is in listening skills.

I do think its a little odd that the mayor himself does not actually live in Ferguson. Its always seemed sort of a given to me that at least the mayor would actually live in the town or city he or she governs.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ferguson was recently featured on FOX 2 and the coverage is archived for your viewing. Stop on by for a visit....you will stay!

http://www.homefinder.com/MO/Ferguson/207-Tiffin-Avenue-108002633d

House for sale in Ferguson. Realtor should edit ad, it's been listed for 114 days and I doubt MB coverage is what they are talking about.

It's a really cute house at a great price. IMO


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[katydid23]

I thought the meeting tonight was fabulous and really interesting. It renewed my faith in the people of Ferguson.

I am positive I will be jumped on for having an opinion that is different than the majority of people posting on this topic at WS.

If the council members really listened tonight to what people had to say, and if they can all work together, I hold out hope that life in Ferguson can improve for all. The key of course is in listening skills.

I do think its a little odd that the mayor himself does not actually live in Ferguson. Its always seemed sort of a given to me that at least the mayor would actually live in the town or city he or she governs.

I agree about the mayor. Seems like one should live in the town he is 'mayoring.'

No jumping on you, just saying that I felt no sense of renewed faith in people from watching tonight. Quite the opposite.

I was hoping to hear some down-to-earth, realistic discussions, suggestions and/or complaints. Something that could be some kind of common ground, or starting point. I heard very little of that.

I heard a lot of hatred, recriminations, accusations and delusional thoughts being spewed forth. Very little productive or positive energy. Very little that made me believe they would be open to 'working together' any time soon. jmo

 

[Suthrnqt]

They honestly should be ashamed by their own behavior and ignorance of the system
they wish to change.
It's truly pathetic.
It's no wonder they feel so marginalized, unheard and unrepresented.
The problem is theirs, the ignorance is theirs, the inability to effect change is theirs.

Good grief people! Crack a damn book! Educate yourself on the system you wish to change.




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ITA Linda. Remember the Ferguson residents who didn't know that elected officials were elected? :gaah:

 

[gramcracker]

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Well done. How long did it take or did you already know?

TY. about 30 seconds - I asked The Google

 

[Linda7NJ]

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Protests, anger, doubt prevail at Ferguson meeting
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - Elected leaders in the St. Louis suburb where an unarmed black 18-year-old was fatally shot by a white police officer hoped to use their first public meeting since Michael Brown's death as a chance to promote community healing.

Instead, they were greeted Tuesday night with anger, outrage and warnings of voter retribution at the ballot box. Proposals to overhaul the mu...

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[al66pine]

I will say this. About 200 people showed up for this meeting. I was actually surprised there weren't more there. For a city the size of about 200,000 that is about .01% of the population and many of those people were not even from Ferguson. So for every nut job that showed up tonight, there were about 1,000 smart people who stayed away. At least that gives me hope.

Not sure where ^above 200,000 pop^ came from, but MSM have consistently given more in line w below.

"Population in 2012: 21,135 (100% urban, 0% rural). Population change since 2000: -5.7%"
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html#ixzz3CtPZDiOJ
Trying to catch up again, so sorry if ^this^ is redundant.

On local fox2 station's livefeed, I heard reporter & others discussing attendance figure at meeting.
Their convo (my paraphrasing):
How many do you think are in there?
Maybe a couple hundred.
I'd say about 300.
Could be several hundred.
Ok, let's say 500.

I didn't see her report, so don't know what figure she used on the air.
If nothing else, they could have gotten an accurate # of how many ppl the church would accommodate,
then eyeball to see how full it was.

Sarc alert: when it takes effort for some reporters to get reliable info, don't bother. Rely on Professor SWAG.

 

[sorrell skye]

Crowd members, who had to pass through metal detectors and security guards to attend, could be seen wearing shirts that read: "Let My People Vote" and "Hands Up Don't Shoot," a phrase that became a national rallying cry for activists protesting police actions they view as overly aggressive.

http://www.courant.com/nation-world/chi-ferguson-shooting-council-meeting-20140909,0,1224537.story

Let My People Vote?

So now some folks are claiming (via a tee shirt) that they're not allowed to vote?

What will be claimed next? That they're forced to sit in the back of the bus? That they're not allowed to eat in certain restaurants? That they can't drink from the public water fountain?

"Let My People Vote" - as if they're barred from voting, when the fact of the matter is that many of the African Americans of Ferguson don't vote.

According to Antonio French: “Nine out of 10 black Ferguson voters don’t even vote.”

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/29/antonio-french-9-out-of-10-black-ferguson-voters-dont-vote/

Here are the requirements for registering to vote in Ferguson:

Voter Registration
Voter registration in the City of Ferguson is administered by the St. Louis County Board of Elections. To register to vote in St. Louis County a person must:
•Be a United States citizen
•Be 17 1/2 years old (18 years old by election day)
•A resident of St. Louis County

http://www.fergusoncity.com/168/City-Clerk

The requirements to register to vote are simple and straightforward. If a resident of Ferguson chooses to not register to vote and chooses to not vote, whose fault is that? The so-called (according to some who attended the city council meeting) white supremacist city council? The so-called (according to some who attended the city council meeting) underground KKK police department? Is it the mayor's fault?

Answer: none of the above.

If anyone in Ferguson chooses to not vote, they have no one to blame but themselves. No one is preventing them from voting.