MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #17

[Trident]

So they plan to set up camp with their folding chairs all day, every day, in a pking lot across from the police station? OK. Imagine what they could do with that same amount of time and energy, if it were focused on something productive?

Ya mean like work? Carpooling to another town for jobs?

 

[sonjay]

Just my 2 cents, but could OW have aimed for MB's arm, right chest area to stop him and when he did not stop 2-3 second delay in the shooting OW knew he had to aim for center mass? Unfortunately MB stumbled and fell into the direct line of where his chest area would have been when the last two shots were fired. We know he was moving/leaning forward because he fell forward. jmo

I seriously doubt it. Shooting to wound -- e.g., aiming for an arm -- is never taught or recommended. If you find it necessary to fire, you aim for center of mass, period.

I suspect OW didn't have enough "finger on the trigger." I hope this link is okay:
http://www.handgunsmag.com/handguns/how-to-cure-common-shooting-mistakes/
"Too little finger on the trigger is known as “pushing” the trigger because it causes the trigger finger to push the trigger back and to the left as opposed to straight back, resulting in rounds impacting near the nine o’clock position."

That would explain why the early shots were to MB's right arm (OW's left).

A handgun fired several times in quick succession tends to "walk up" from the recoil. If the shots went from low to high on MB's arm, that could be explained by the barrel walking up due to recoil.

Then, when MB is really close, it's almost point-blank -- the shot to the eye was still high, possibly because the barrel was still high due to recoil, but OW has by now corrected the leftward drift. Then MB begins falling from that shot, and the final shot goes into the top of the head as MB is falling. That one would have been center of mass in the chest if MB hadn't been falling.

That's just one possible scenario of why and how the shots hit where they did. MOO, IMO, etc. I would be gobsmacked if OW actually aimed for the arm. It would go against all his training.

 

[popsicle]

It was unreal yesterday, when I was watching the livestream of the 'standoff' between the cops and the protestors. There was one very tense time when dozens of protestors advanced aggressively on the cops, who stood their ground. They were face to face.

While advancing, many of the marchers had their hands up, while angrily chanting 'We are Mike Brown' and advancing in an aggressive manner towards the police line.

It blew my mind, because it PROVED that one could have their hands up, and still be seen as very aggressive and potentially dangerous. jmo

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_d4637a3a-187d-512a-a9f6-e9c4009a31e1.html

Yep! Just the easiest to find.

 

[Truthy]

They just NOW decide to come forward? Uh huh. I smell a rat.

I'm not sure what you are implying here? That the video is faked? That a copy wasn't given to investigators early enough- because I don't think we have any way of knowing it.
The police seem to be tightly controlling info, and leaking stuff that is only favorable to OW. I can imagine a lot of people in the community have concerns about the Grand Jury operating in secrecy. Distrust abounds, and IMHO this will help with transparency.
If the Grand Jury was not going to see that video, they sure will now. Accontability is for LEO, too. MOO.

 

[noZme]

OK, so this looks like much more than a simple 'boycott.' To boycott means that you don't buy the products or use the services. However, the flyer instructs all of these productive members of society to meet up EVERY DAY @ 9 am at police station, to then 'disperse' among local businesses to shut them down. How is that supposed to work?

And WHY the heck do they want the local businesses to be shut down? What did the owner of the beauty supply or the diner do to deserve being picketed and boycotted every day? This is THEIR TOWN. Why do they want to destroy it?

Meet up every day? Do any of the protesters have jobs that preclude them from attending "demonstrations?"

This was an issue about law & order & police procedure that has become racial revenge. Sad that accomplishments from MLK, Jrs generation of leadership has gone by the wayside.

I keep thinking of the old adage, the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

 

[reedus23]

It was unreal yesterday, when I was watching the livestream of the 'standoff' between the cops and the protestors. There was one very tense time when dozens of protestors advanced aggressively on the cops, who stood their ground. They were face to face.

While advancing, many of the marchers had their hands up, while angrily chanting 'We are Mike Brown' and advancing in an aggressive manner towards the police line.

It blew my mind, because it PROVED that one could have their hands up, and still be seen as very aggressive and potentially dangerous. jmo

I hear what you're saying and it's a factor to consider, but on the flip side, how many of those people aggressively and dangerously advancing on LE with their hands up as you say were shot? I think LE handled the situation with great grace, and I also understand there are other factors that come into play with OW's shooting.

 

[reedus23]

I didn't use the term loosely. YOU responded to my post where I used it. Feel free to disagree with my opinion but stop derailing by twisting and misrepresenting it. Thanks.

I did respond and I do disagree with the use but yes, you are entitled to your opinion. I suppose if my expressing my opinion equates to twisting and misrepresenting the so be it.

 

[Truthy]

It was unreal yesterday, when I was watching the livestream of the 'standoff' between the cops and the protestors. There was one very tense time when dozens of protestors advanced aggressively on the cops, who stood their ground. They were face to face.

While advancing, many of the marchers had their hands up, while angrily chanting 'We are Mike Brown' and advancing in an aggressive manner towards the police line.

It blew my mind, because it PROVED that one could have their hands up, and still be seen as very aggressive and potentially dangerous. jmo

The problem with this is, there is nothing aggressive about running away. And if he took shots toward his retreating back with arms up- IMHO, that is a problem. That is LEO acting as judge, jury, and executioner, IMHO.

 

[Klood-N]

The problem with this is, there is nothing aggressive about running away. And if he took shots toward his retreating back with arms up- IMHO, that is a problem. That is LEO acting as judge, jury, and executioner, IMHO.

This is illogical. It makes no sense to say if he shot towards his back that makes him an executioner. He was not killed by a shot to the back.

 

[katydid23]

I hear what you're saying and it's a factor to consider, but on the flip side, how many of those people aggressively and dangerously advancing on LE with their hands up as you say were shot? I think LE handled the situation with great grace, and I also understand there are other factors that come into play with OW's shooting.

Since there were more officers than there were marchers, the officers did not need to shoot in self defense. And none of these marchers had just assaulted any of the officers and struggled over their holstered weapon. If so, they might have been shot.

 

[reedus23]

So they plan to set up camp with their folding chairs all day, every day, in a pking lot across from the police station? OK. Imagine what they could do with that same amount of time and energy, if it were focused on something productive?

It may be that for them making sure the issues don't quietly fade away into oblivion with no real change could be viewed as productive for them.

 

[Truthy]

Most witnesses say he was advancing. The "new" ones add Wilson was retreating while firing. As K_Z so aptly pointed out, those two elements were not happening in a vacuum. Per my previous post regarding Wilson and corroborating witnesses, the officer did hear the BOLO before getting attacked by Michael, then Michael knocks him back into the SUV, pummeling him, struggling for the gun, does not stop his attack despite two warnings the officer will shoot, only stops once the officer fires, and then advances on the officer again, ignoring an order to freeze just like he ignored the lawful order to get off the street. Nothing about this looks unjustified to me.

Link to the "order to freeze"- please!
Also, yo useem to have left out the part where MB was running away- that is kind of significant too, no?
MOO

 

[reedus23]

We have arm shots, we have a chest wound, a head shots. Now, where are the blood patterns on the pavement? Have we heard anything about this? Surely there was blood.

Great question and as far as I know we haven't heard. This is one item I would love to hear more of.

 

[katydid23]

The problem with this is, there is nothing aggressive about running away. And if he took shots toward his retreating back with arms up- IMHO, that is a problem. That is LEO acting as judge, jury, and executioner, IMHO.

Yes, there is something aggressive about running away. Because he is running off into the public. He may be considered a danger to public safety, since he attacked an officer without provocation. He might have tried to jack a car or take a hostage in his efforts to escape. OW had the legal right and the responsibility to stop him.

 

[Trident]

The problem with this is, there is nothing aggressive about running away. And if he took shots toward his retreating back with arms up- IMHO, that is a problem. That is LEO acting as judge, jury, and executioner, IMHO.

That is LEO doing the job he is paid to do, while laying his own life on the line for a pittance.

I'm sorry MB is dead. I'm also sorry he chose the path he did which led up to his death - in my opinion.

 

[katydid23]

It may be that for them making sure the issues don't quietly fade away into oblivion with no real change could be viewed as productive for them.

I don't see how sitting in folding chairs in an empty pking lot is going to prevent that.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm not sure what you are implying here? That the video is faked? That a copy wasn't given to investigators early enough- because I don't think we have any way of knowing it.
The police seem to be tightly controlling info, and leaking stuff that is only favorable to OW. I can imagine a lot of people in the community have concerns about the Grand Jury operating in secrecy. Distrust abounds, and IMHO this will help with transparency.
If the Grand Jury was not going to see that video, they sure will now. Accontability is for LEO, too. MOO.

The only purpose of leaking information that isn't favorable to Officer Wilson is to influence public opinion and impair his ability to receive an impartial jury. Since when is this "justice?" The video isn't evidence. Some guy putting his hands in the air and offering commentary on what he claims he just saw isn't evidence. It's irresponsible journalism to even show it. No different than when the NY Post ran a photo of two men--innocent men--and referred to them as "bag men" being pursued as suspects in the Boston bombing. It wasn't true.

JMO

 

[branwynbreeze]

What the H-E-double toothpicks is wrong with people wanting to burn and destroy? That will remove jobs and services from area and cause residents to travel further for things. Ms Maria is seemingly doing her best to under mind any stability.

Of course you are right.
Yet I have a great fear for LE and business owners in Ferguson. Tonight it became more than a little obvious that some want OW either arrested or dead. If no true bill is found by the GJ... the city, LE, shop owners and employees will likely be targets for disgruntled MB supporters. imoo

 

[Truthy]

This is illogical. It makes no sense to say if he shot towards his back that makes him an executioner. He was not killed by a shot to the back.

He COULD have been killed while fleeing, if the majority of witnesses are correct. And that is what is problematic here. As everyone says, he was probably aiming at center mass, and there were 11-12 bullets shot.
"Judge, jury and executioner" is a phrase that is supposed to remind us the value of our current justice system, and that it should not be subverted.

MOO

 

[reedus23]

Since there were more officers than there were marchers, the officers did not need to shoot in self defense. And none of these marchers had just assaulted any of the officers and struggled over their holstered weapon. If so, they might have been shot.

Like I said, OW's shooting involved other factors too.