MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[sonjay]

Surrendering? Either of them?

 

[sonjay]

IMO it doesn't matter what Brown was thinking as he advanced.
He may have actually been shocked and scared witless once he was actually shot. Perhaps he thought I better take my butt back there and give myself up. doesn't matter.
What matters is what was going on in Wilson's head as Brown continued TOWARD him. I'd venture to guess, Wilson was also very scared after being assaulted in his vehicle as forced to fight for control of his own gun. Any police officer would have feared Brown at that point.

Exactly. Lots of people don't or won't want to hear that, but it's true. It really doesn't matter whether or not MB thought he was surrendering or attacking. What matters is whether OW reasonably interpreted it as an attack. Given that nearly all the witnesses refer to MB moving toward OW, I think we can put that one to bed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sounds to me like they want something that already exists...except it's called a grand jury. Members of the community who are paid to review incidents and have subpoena power.

We have a citizens review board here in the community where I live. It gathers information and compiles a report. The members are volunteers. IMO it is really rather lame.


Here's a great informative piece on Citizen Review Boards

http://www.mintpressnews.com/elimin...-last-bastion-of-police-accountibility/52645/

"Various Supreme Court cases — such as Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor — dictate that the police must act in a manner to secure the public peace, even if the action — out of context — may be seen as abusive. Key pointed out that while police action, when judged by civilian standards, may seem excessive, holding the police to civilian standards compromises the police’s obligation under the law and court rulings."

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[dandy]

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Surrendering? Either of them?

lol - do we have the height measurement of shoulder pads?

 

[TheDuchess]

We have a citizens review board here in the community where I live. It gathers information and compiles a report. The members are volunteers. IMO it is really rather lame.


Here's a great informative piece on Citizen Review Boards

http://www.mintpressnews.com/elimin...-last-bastion-of-police-accountibility/52645/

"Various Supreme Court cases — such as Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor — dictate that the police must act in a manner to secure the public peace, even if the action — out of context — may be seen as abusive. Key pointed out that while police action, when judged by civilian standards, may seem excessive, holding the police to civilian standards compromises the police’s obligation under the law and court rulings."

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BBM-this statement is so important and so true. Say what you want about the police, but at the end of the day...they ARE, in fact, the "good guys."

 

[Klood-N]

After reading his statement, and the comments from "experts," I have to ask what do these people want?

It may not be 100% perfect, but as the NAACP guy said, "it's a step in the right direction."

So IMO, if you want to state this could be better, and here's why, I'm all for it. But to state it's "insulting?"

After the way these people were treated the other night I'd have to say, Mr. French, you're insulting. IMO

He really is, IMO. Completely aligned with the radical grievancemongers. Voting is a right and a privilege. I made sure to register and vote as soon as I turned 18. Getting registered is great. But I'm amazed that no one in the community seems to see how transparent it is for this politician to have planted an office right there to immediately capitalize on Michael and rake in as many votes as he can. He's not there to empower, he's there to benefit and get his, like so many others racing to grab what they can for themselves, in my view.

It is interesting how he talked about Shahid's arrest, his hold, and his release, but remained mum even when asked about charges about the fact Shahid assaulted an officer.

 

[dandy]

He really is, IMO. Completely aligned with the radical grievancemongers. Voting is a right and a privilege. I made sure to register and vote as soon as I turned 18. Getting registered is great. But I'm amazed that no one in the community seems to see how transparent it is for this politician to have planted an office right there to immediately to capitalize on Michael and rake in as many votes as he can. He's not there to empower, he's there to benefit and get his, like so many others racing to grab what they can for themselves, in my view.

It is interesting how he talked about Shahid's arrest, his hold, and his release, but remained mum even when asked about the fact Shahid assaulted an officer.

re: shahid - wonder if the officer was wearing his cam & wondering if there were any conditions of his release re: future protests.

 

[Klood-N]

Regarding public perception of officers' jobs, I was amazed to see some people actually say Darren should not have pursued Michael, some even blaming him for getting out of the car. People actually said he should have let this violent suspect go, sat there, and called for back up. Ya mean, he should have called the police to go get the bad guy/criminal?! He is the police! I think it was touched on in the use of force meeting abt Kajieme Powell, iirc, but there is a duty there to pursue and apprehend a suspect.

 

[Sonya610]

I'd venture to guess, Wilson was also very scared after being assaulted in his vehicle as forced to fight for control of his own gun. Any police officer would have feared Brown at that point.

And it wasn't just MB. OW knew MB had a friend/accomplice that was now out of sight and OW was alone.

OW did NOT know if these guys had weapons, he also didn't know what MB had been up to and WHY MB was willing to assault an officer over what started as a warning to get out of the street.

OW had every reason to expect the WORST at that moment yet people pretend he should have assumed that MB had the best of intentions?

 

[Klood-N]

Not to mention how quickly everything happened. Amid blocking punches and struggling over the gun, he probably didn't have time to even key his mike. It's one fluid event.

Darren opens the door, Mike charges him, knocking him into the vehicle and rains punches, struggling for the gun, gun goes off, Michael takes off running, an injured Darren pursues yelling freeze and firing, Michael turns, fronts, and advances as Darren retreats firing. It was seconds.

 

[reedus23]

Why.....would......anyone.....send....their...son....to live there, much less their mother??????

Because some people don't have many choices and believe it or not, there are areas worse.

 

[sonjay]

Because some people don't have many choices and believe it or not, there are areas worse.

Worse in what way? Worse crime? Or worse police harassment?

 

[TheDuchess]

It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured and had a perfectly clean record.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured and had a perfectly clean record and has absolutely no history of racism.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured and had a perfectly clean record.
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured and had a perfectly clean record and has absolutely no history of racism and the innocent unarmed teenager just tried taking away the officers gun which went off.

It takes a LOT of mental calisthenics to continue to state that the shooting was unjustified. It is much simpler for them to stick with:
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer.

 

[sonjay]

Not to mention how quickly everything happened. Amid blocking punches and struggling over the gun, he probably didn't have time to even key his mike. It's one fluid event.

Darren opens the door, Mike charges him, knocking him into the vehicle and rains punches, struggling for the gun, gun goes off, Michael takes off running, an injured Darren pursues yelling freeze and firing, Michael turns, fronts, and advances as Darren retreats firing. It was seconds.

I can so picture that sequence of events. I've said it before... OW was lucky to have escaped with his life.

 

[sonjay]

It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer
<snip>.....
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer, even though they just strong arm robbed a store and had the stolen merchandise in his hands and wouldn't get out of the middle of the road when asked to and then assaulted a police officer and then ran away, but then turned back toward the officer and then advanced on the officer even if the officer was injured and had a perfectly clean record and has absolutely no history of racism and the innocent unarmed teenager just tried taking away the officers gun which went off.

It takes a LOT of mental calisthenics to continue to state that the shooting was unjustified. It is much simpler for them to stick with:
It is wrong for a police officer to shoot an innocent unarmed teenager who posed no threat to the officer.

Wait, you forgot "and who was surrendering with his hands up."

 

[popsicle]

St. Louis grand jury weighs charges in Ferguson shooting

..... McCullough, whose office has prosecuted more than 700 murder cases since 1991, has overseen 33 prosecutions of police officers during his 23-year term but has never pressed charges against an officer accused of killing a suspect.

......said prosecutors review several police shootings each year but rarely pursue charges, largely because laws give police a broad latitude to defend themselves and use deadly force if they believe they are in imminent danger.

..... there were four cases of police shootings he has brought to a grand jury. None resulted in criminal charges, including a much publicized 2000 case of two law enforcement officers who shot and killed two unarmed black men during a drug bust.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0H62LJ20140911?irpc=932

 

[Klood-N]

Nothing I've seen shows these rioters as afraid of the police. Just as Darren did according to the workers, you retreat when you fear someone. If they feared the police, the mob would not aggressively advanced on the police in the videos that very night (linked last night). I did notice they were already calling LE the "Klu Klux Klan" that very night, so the comments in the city council meeting weren't anomalous. You don't shoot at police cars if you fear they're going to fire back.

 

[Klood-N]

Wait, you forgot "and who was surrendering with his hands up."

For no reason in broooooaaaaad daylight. (At night was preferable?)

 

[bettybaby00]

Wait, you forgot "and who was surrendering with his hands up."

And in broad daylight!

Eta: oops you beat me Klood-N

 

[LambChop]

It is understandable given how many young black men are killed by gunfire in todays world that the community would react it terms of calling for justice. However is it productive, in their search for justice for MB, for the community to show the Grand Jury, by way of violence against the police, that Office Wilson may have had a good reason to fear for his life?