MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[Klood-N]

McCulloch said Saturday that the video and photos of Brown that were released this week by the Ferguson police will be part of the evidence presented to the grand jury. The video and photos appear to link him to a convenience store robbery shortly before the shooting.
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/mcculloch-plans-start-grand-jury-proceedings-brown-case-quickly

I must've missed this along the way. So the investigating grand jury will definitely know that Michael was a suspect in a violent crime not ten minutes prior to assaulting Wilson. Since this is being presented, it cements my belief Michael's juvenile record will be reviewed as well.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Probes advance one month after Michael Brown shooting[/h]
More than one month after a police officer fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, the case continues to provoke public unrest and remains far from settled.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/12/us/fe...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

And so does our misreporting.... they forgot that part.

 

[Klood-N]

Twist what? I'll use the words of the DA...the subject of the investigation. Not sure how much different that is from saying one for whom there is suspicion they have committed a crime, but I suppose there is a difference.

Here ya go. http://www.newsbeat.me/news/grand-j...now/017e24e8-78e9-3681-b595-9c414f0f0f73.html

Does not say that all police involved shootings go to a GJ. Do you have a link that says they do? We might have competing links.

Subject works for me, suspect doesn't.

Thanks for the link. I thought I'd read it was all officer involved shootings, but all homicides work too. Either way, it's standard for this case to go before a grand jury. I had wondered if the report saying homicide would throw some. Maybe that's part of the lack of knowledge regarding how things work discussed earlier that has enraged the rioters. Homicide does not mean murder.

Homicide
The killing of one human being by another human being.

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable.

A homicide may be justifiable or excusable by the surrounding circumstances. In such cases, the homicide will not be considered a criminal act. A justifiable homicide is a homicide that is commanded or authorized by law.

A person is authorized to kill another person in self-defense or in the defense of others, but only if the person reasonably believes that the killing is absolutely necessary in order to prevent serious harm or death to himself or herself or to others.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

 

[K_Z]

To add to the definition of homicide, a judicial execution is also a homicide.

 

[Klood-N]

"every statement that any witness made, every witness"

http://www.newsbeat.me/news/grand-j...1-b595-9c414f0f0f73.html#sthash.4kU2DXxm.dpuf

This got me thinking. It could be read that all Piaget's statements, including those that conflict with each other, will come in, for example. I can also see LE re-interview a witness if LE sees them state things that do not match their initial statement. Either way, sounds like they'll all be on the hot seat. Which made me think. It doesn't seem like we've seen Piaget or Tiffany in a while, even at protests, have we?

 

[deoneta]

"We know his body was left uncovered on the ground in the baking sun for hours"

:notgood:

I usually read the comments on any news stories about this case, and it's amazing how many people are still repeating not only this debunked statement, but are insisting that MB was shot in the back while on his knees surrendering and that the video of the liquor store robbery "isn't even him". This usually goes along with he was shot just for "jaywalking" or stealing a few cigarillos.

I don't usually comment here because I lack the requisite tact, but I do keep up reading the threads. I appreciate everyone who's put so much effort into keeping us informed. I also appreciate Lamb Chop for her infinite patience and good judgement moderating a topic that is so politically and emotionally charged. All MOO

 

[K_Z]

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Is there a second page to this? Maybe i just can't access a second page on my mobile device? It seems to end abruptly, in the middle of a thought, and has no signature block. That would be very odd for an attorney to send out something like that on letterhead, without a sig block.

 

[bettybaby00]

"every statement that any witness made, every witness"

http://www.newsbeat.me/news/grand-j...1-b595-9c414f0f0f73.html#sthash.4kU2DXxm.dpuf

This got me thinking. It could be read that all Piaget's statements, including those that conflict with each other, will come in, for example. I can also see LE re-interview a witness if LE sees them state things that do not match their initial statement. Either way, sounds like they'll all be on the hot seat. Which made me think. It doesn't seem like we've seen Piaget or Tiffany in a while, even at protests, have we?

Great catch.

I had asked previously about statements to the media being presented to discredit witness testimony, although I was speaking specifically about during a trial. I didn't even think about the GJ.

Makes me wish I could sit in and watch with a big 'ok bucket of popcorn

Eta: ok, wth? 2x now when I've replied to a post, it's including a post I made earlier, as if I used that
darn + button!!!!!

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/us/mistrust-lingers-as-ferguson-takes-new-tack-on-fines.html?_r=0

Municipal fines are the city’s second-highest source of revenue. Last year Ferguson drivers paid $12,400 in fines for driving cars with tinted windows. They paid another $4,905 for loud music coming out of their cars. The biggest slice of that revenue comes from people, like Ms. Clemons, who drive without insurance. In 2013, the city of just 21,000 people made almost $287,000 on that infraction alone.

Continue reading the main story

After missing a court date, Ms. Clemons became one of the nearly 12,000 people with pending arrest warrants in Ferguson. Her husband, Grover, had one, too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is there a second page to this? Maybe i just can't access a second page on my mobile device? It seems to end abruptly, in the middle of a thought, and has no signature block. That would be very odd for an attorney to send out something like that on letterhead, without a sig block.

It's all I could see at the link

https://mobile.twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/510462526182539264/photo/1


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[bettybaby00]

Unfreaking believable :facepalm:

And yet French et al are insulted and outraged over what "was done" meanwhile it hasn't even passed yet????

I'm finding it really hard right now to find any sympathy for these people after having just watched the greta van susteren interview with James Foley's parents. Talk about having grace and dignity in the face of unimaginable tragedy.

Is there a second page to this? Maybe i just can't access a second page on my mobile device? It seems to end abruptly, in the middle of a thought, and has no signature block. That would be very odd for an attorney to send out something like that on letterhead, without a sig block.

Yes there is a 2nd page, which I didn't see until I read it at the "treehouse"

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/us/mistrust-lingers-as-ferguson-takes-new-tack-on-fines.html?_r=0

Municipal fines are the city’s second-highest source of revenue. Last year Ferguson drivers paid $12,400 in fines for driving cars with tinted windows. They paid another $4,905 for loud music coming out of their cars. The biggest slice of that revenue comes from people, like Ms. Clemons, who drive without insurance. In 2013, the city of just 21,000 people made almost $287,000 on that infraction alone.

Continue reading the main story

After missing a court date, Ms. Clemons became one of the nearly 12,000 people with pending arrest warrants in Ferguson. Her husband, Grover, had one, too.

If ya can't afford insurance, ya can't afford a car!!!!


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[popsicle]

Is there a second page to this? Maybe i just can't access a second page on my mobile device? It seems to end abruptly, in the middle of a thought, and has no signature block. That would be very odd for an attorney to send out something like that on letterhead, without a sig block.

 

[al66pine]

... Here ya go. http://www.newsbeat.me/news/grand-j...now/017e24e8-78e9-3681-b595-9c414f0f0f73.html Does not say that all police involved shootings go to a GJ....

SBM

Above link, "Lauren Raab, Los Angeles Times | 3 weeks ago " w headline "Grand jury starts on Michael Brown case: What you need to know "-
refers to Officer "Willis" multiple times.

Pardon me--- who, Officer Wilson?

 

[Lovejac]

It's all I could see at the link

https://mobile.twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/510462526182539264/photo/1


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:giggle: reading this comment: Sports Swede@TheSportsSwede 10h
@attorneycrump Why didn't u put in your letter that Brown just robbed a store, assaulted the clerk & punched a cop? Tell all the facts.

And then :facepalm: with this comment: Spookzake Shange@SpookPacShakur @TheSportsSwede he didn't rob anything. he had an argument w the store owned. he paid. and the owner never called police

 

[Lovejac]

Is there a second page to this? Maybe i just can't access a second page on my mobile device? It seems to end abruptly, in the middle of a thought, and has no signature block. That would be very odd for an attorney to send out something like that on letterhead, without a sig block.

Here you go.

 

[reedus23]

Subject works for me, suspect doesn't.

Thanks for the link. I thought I'd read it was all officer involved shootings, but all homicides work too. Either way, it's standard for this case to go before a grand jury. I had wondered if the report saying homicide would throw some. Maybe that's part of the lack of knowledge regarding how things work discussed earlier that has enraged the rioters. Homicide does not mean murder.

Homicide
The killing of one human being by another human being.

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable.

A homicide may be justifiable or excusable by the surrounding circumstances. In such cases, the homicide will not be considered a criminal act. A justifiable homicide is a homicide that is commanded or authorized by law.

A person is authorized to kill another person in self-defense or in the defense of others, but only if the person reasonably believes that the killing is absolutely necessary in order to prevent serious harm or death to himself or herself or to others.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

My post probably threw people too. Using made up numbers, let's say there are 10 officer involved shootings. Not all 10 will go to the GJ. Now, let's say of the 10, 1 happened under questionable circumstances. That 1 will always go to the GJ before charges are levied per McCulloch's office, which seems reasonable. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[Lovejac]

If ya can't afford insurance, ya can't afford a car!!!!


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That's the way it works in my world

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's the way it works in my world

Dark tinted windows are illegal here too... Lots of people STILL have em...then complain about the fines ...

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[Boytwnmom]

with emphasis only on the fact that Michael was not "facing" any criminal charges and not "facing" any murder charges at the time of his death. It makes no assertion regarding whether Michael ever faced any charges in the past, or whether he was ever invovled in the juvenile justice system. Which is fine. If there are records, they are sealed pursuant to state law and will be only be unsealed if good cause exists.

But it's all so carefully crafted to bolster their tale. Which is designed to stir up emotions and increase conflict. There just can't be any admission of truth here. In their version, there was no store robbery, no drug use (despite tox screen results), no aggression toward the officer, no aggression possible at all by this victim. He was just a harmless child innocently walking to Grandma's, executed by a racist cop for absolutely no reason while he pleaded for his life.

There are no people of good faith speaking hard truth, explaining the justice system and representative democracy to this community. Just willful incitement based on emotion. I can see so many needs the people of that community have. The outside attorneys and professional agitators have no intention of sticking around to effect any change that would actually benefit those people. They know how the system works but aren't about to share that knowledge and dampen the "enthusiasm" that brings the cameras and keeps the focus and thus ups the ante for the payday that will benefit very few.

It's just a very sad situation. I feel like, if anything, that community will end up even worse off and more divorced and alienated from the social norms most of us depend on. If only the "leaders" would teach them how to organize for change, register voters, groom candidates, teach our representative democratic system so they can participate. But then, what would the agitators agitate for? I feel like they have a vested interest in perpetuating a victim mentality because it's their bread and butter.

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