MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[EvilSoup]

well, what was the purpose in mentioning he was part of a Jewish organization though?

Yeah. I didn't do that.

Please read back. i quoted and AGREED with your post. Why is it so "attacky" in here? Golly.

 

[Truthy]

Exactly. Lots of people don't or won't want to hear that, but it's true. It really doesn't matter whether or not MB thought he was surrendering or attacking. What matters is whether OW reasonably interpreted it as an attack. Given that nearly all the witnesses refer to MB moving toward OW, I think we can put that one to bed.

I don't know about that- it seems he majority of witnesses did not see any reason why OW would perceive MB as a threat. That's concenring.
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah. I didn't do that.

Please read back. i quoted and AGREED with your post. Why is it so "attacky" in here? Golly.

SORRY. I was not accusing YOU of doing that. Wish I had been more clear. I was referring to the tweeter, who said the attorney was a rich member of AFIAC or whatever, which I believe is a Jweish organization.

I was not calling you out at all. Sorry

 

[katydid23]

I don't know about that- it seems he majority of witnesses did not see any reason why OW would perceive MB as a threat. That's concenring.
MOO.

MOst of those witnesses were pretty far away. And none of them had just been attacked by MB, nor struggled over a loaded weapon with him. And according to the most recent witness, OW was walking backwards at the end, while shooting. And they ended up only a few feet away from each other. A few of them did say that MB was walking towards him.

It does not matter if the witnesses thought he was a threat. Because they were not the ones who he was fighting with. jmo :cow:

 

[teedie2]

Sorry that I brought up the question about the tweeter and the AFIAC. I had to look the acronym up, and that was why I asked. Not familiar with the tweeter or any of her other tweets. Just wondering why it was mentioned by her.

Not the last dumb question I'm going to ask. I am treads behind you, the only way I catch up is to skip threads. So I am not conversant with all the ins and outs. I'm just old and slow. As it is, I spend a certain amount of time wondering if I'm going to develop blood clots from sitting in this computer chair for so many hours!

Anyway, I'm sorry that my question caused strife. Will be more careful in the future.

PS: I HATE that I'm not able to read every single post. I've seen many brilliant posts on this thread and the previous ones. Great minds on WS.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

...I'm still trying to find where & who the original tweet came from, but I'm not very twitter savvy.

I'm just a twitter stalker :shame: ...
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lol

There could be a kabillion tweets out there announcing that aliens were about to bang on my front door, and if our Pops didn't find them and post them here first, I'd be left answering the door to, "Take me to your leader!"

 

[popsicle]

well, what was the purpose in mentioning he was part of a Jewish organization though?

Yeah. I didn't do that.

Please read back. i quoted and AGREED with your post. Why is it so "attacky" in here? Golly.

Katy is asking...what was the purpose in the twit mentioning the Jewish organization....not you. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

lol

There could be a kabillion tweets out there announcing that aliens were about to bang on my front door, and if our Pops didn't find them and post them here first, I'd be left answering the door to, "Take me to your leader!"

Thats too funny!

I have a twitter account and I've posted a grand total of two tweets. each time, it took me forever to figure out how!
One to Mark Eiglarsh and the other to Tim Pool last Saturday while he was in the hospital.

Mark replied to me....swoon....





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[popsicle]

lol

There could be a kabillion tweets out there announcing that aliens were about to bang on my front door, and if our Pops didn't find them and post them here first, I'd be left answering the door to, "Take me to your leader!"

I have chased many down a rabbit hole too. :lol:

 

[al66pine]

....Hell, in time, I even agree that Robert's Rules of Order will need to be followed. Go figure that.
I'm just not going to jump on people for not following it right now. At the same time, they just can't expect anything to actually get passed or achieved beyond the venting.

bbm sbm

I'm not jumping on ppl for not following RRoO right now, either.

Seems like some educational/informational meetings would be helpful in the community ATM
and some there are organizing meetings toward that end & ppl adjusting expectations/demands.
Like the ppl at city council meeting who wanted/demanded/expected the mayor to go out & arrest Officer DW.
Not gonna happen, no power to do so, no authority, no can do.

Hope that will lead some ppl to understand how to participate in municipal, state, federal gov't processes to influence outcomes.

 

[MyBelle]

I am not sure how the council would be expected to keep an order at all with this angry group, let alone, trying to keep them using Robts Rules of Order. I don't see that happening, because any time any of the council members began to speak, the crowd began chanting, and/or shouted the speaker down. And there were too many shouting for the cops to really do anything about it. There were just a few cops inside the meeting.

In order to control the mob mentality, you are going to need a strong black leader to come forward and ask them to stay calm and listen, and take part in the council process in a pro-active, productive manner, w/out the cussing and threats.

The cops cannot really enforce the rules, without a huge melee erupting. And that is exactly was the rioters want. They want pictures of cops throwing black citizens out of the all white council headquarters.

Cops absolutely can enforce the rules. Police can control a city council meeting just as they controlled the "peaceful protests."

 

[MyBelle]

If they can't participate in an appropriate manner, they need to go.
I don't care how many officers it takes.
Park the jail transport buses out front ...have the police on standby with their fist full of zip ties.
Either they follow the rules, and participate or be arrested and removed. The choice is theirs.
They should be instructed on the code of conduct before even entering the building and the consequences for disruption.

IMO


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They sure had no problem parking those jail transport buses the other day.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

I'm not jumping on ppl for not following RRoO right now, either.

Seems like some educational/informational meetings would be helpful in the community ATM
and some there are organizing meetings toward that end & ppl adjusting expectations/demands.
Like the ppl at city council meeting who wanted/demanded/expected the mayor to go out & arrest Officer DW.
Not gonna happen, no power to do so, no authority, no can do.

Hope that will lead some ppl to understand how to participate in municipal, state, federal gov't processes to influence outcomes.

In Northwest Arkansas there is currently a huge controversy underfoot regarding a proposed ordinance involving civil rights. There was a 10-hour city council meeting regarding the ordinance. I googled it (I'm a google, not a twit lol), and sure enough the whole thing's on YouTube. With the chaos of the Ferguson city council meeting in mind, I skimmed through this Fayetteville city council meeting. Night and day, folks, night and day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P88_CMOwlrA (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZcP9Cknlo (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QutBSB3vNPQ (Part 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcOfm4akIis (Part 4)

[Shall we play "spot the differences?"]


Additionally, from the first hints of a Ferguson boycott, I've been having "deja vu all over again," back to 1969 and a boycott in the town of Port Gibson, MS which I observed first-hand for about a year and a-half. Here's some background on that boycott and the results:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Claiborne_Hardware_Co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Gibson,_Mississippi

(I'd like to get my hands on the people that fashioned the articles, but that's another story).

Note the name "Charles Evers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evers). That's Medgar Evers' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medgar_Evers) brother. In the late 60s, Charles Evers had a reputation for being a mean, hot-headed individual, but if my brother had been gunned down like Medgar was, I guess I'd be a bit hot-headed and mean as well.

Anyway, as the articles show, there was a very effective boycott...way way too effective. It resulted in fear, anger, many lawsuits, and ultimately a hatred and distrust along racial lines that exists to this day. And it killed the town. The present PG demographics bear this out to a degree. In short, it was a lose/lose situation passed down to the next generations.

I can't help but think that the people of Ferguson would fare much better if they followed the example of the citizens of Fayetteville. I guarantee you those citizens, win or lose, will ultimately accept and abide by the decisions of their elected officials, and Fayetteville will continue to grow and prosper. Port Gibson? It will sink into rust fed by the acidity of long-held hatred and distrust.

 

[TheDuchess]

Can't sleep. Been thinking about the fact that someone mentioned above that there has been very little released in terms of "leaks" from the FPD. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a police officer here in my town. We were actually discussing a case here about a man who died while resisting arrest during a routine traffic stop. I've heard very little about it and asked her and said they are 100% not allowed to discuss the case in any detail at all. That said, she smiled, and said, don't worry...the truth WILL all come out in the end and that the officers involved are 2 of the most upstanding officers on the force.

So it got me to thinking about how little has been "leaked" and more importantly, what else we haven't heard from the police. Not ONE officer on the FPD has spoken, with or without anonymity about the case. What we haven't seen is any fallout from the police department, even from its few AA members. Not a one. No resignations. No transfer requests. No pixelated interviews with the media. Not a quiver of a rumbling from inside that force. Nothing for, nothing against. I would think that if even one of those officers thought that there was a possibility that OW was the man responsible for what has happened to their town, to their police force, in terms of federal investigations, riots in their streets, and the horrible displays of defiance they've had to face from the very people they are sworn to protect and risk their lives for every day. Nothing. Not a peep.

To me this shows not only the solidarity of the brotherhood, but also their belief in OW. They know exactly who is at fault for all of this since day one. A drugged up man who strong arm robbed and liquor store and proceeded to assault and grab the gun from one of their brothers. I bet every single one of them feels like walking through the streets with an I AM DARREN WILSON T-shirt on chanting DON'T ATTACK ME AND I PROMISE NOT TO SHOOT.

 

[deoneta]

well, what was the purpose in mentioning he was part of a Jewish organization though?

Although I don't think it's really relevant to the shooting investigation, anyone wondering need only read his/her timeline, and it will be clear. All MOO

 

[dandy]

If they want their voices heard, they can do it in a manner that every frigging body else does.

If they're concerned, and want to be heard, then they need to do it on a productive way.

It needs to be clear, abundantly clear, that disruptive, disrespectful outbursts will not be tolerated.

There is NOTHING productive going to happen unless the rules are followed. It would simply be a complete waste of everyone's time. They need to understand that.






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ita - but imo the mayor at the last meeting made a wrong decision by answering one of the people's questions. i wonder why he did that?

 

[dandy]

MOst of those witnesses were pretty far away. And none of them had just been attacked by MB, nor struggled over a loaded weapon with him. And according to the most recent witness, OW was walking backwards at the end, while shooting. And they ended up only a few feet away from each other. A few of them did say that MB was walking towards him.

It does not matter if the witnesses thought he was a threat. Because they were not the ones who he was fighting with. jmo :cow:

i've been attempting to remember the action verb the witnesses have used - some have left it blank and others have described it as - walking - kinda walking - to running.

hopefully the grand jury will focus on this instead of where his hands were/meaningless.

imo

 

[dandy]

Sorry, but either the mom or the paper are lying. He went to school this past summer, there was no doing what he wanted.

i think i'm looking at the right school calendar - but it's for 2014-2015 - and summer school starts on june 1 and ends june 25.

apparently they have mastered cramming a semester worth of info into 19 days!

http://www.slps.org/calendar

 

[Sonya610]

It needs to be clear, abundantly clear, that disruptive, disrespectful outbursts will not be tolerated.

There is NOTHING productive going to happen unless the rules are followed. It would simply be a complete waste of everyone's time. They need to understand that.

Realistically they will NEVER understand that.

What will likely happen is the city council will change and end up with some members that are just as radical (and obnoxious) as the worst protestors, at that point the crowds won't NEED to try to control city council meetings, they can just cheer from the sidelines.

In the meantime the businesses and non-protestors will flee the city, the tax revenue will plummet, the schools will get even worse, they can also get a majority black police force with a black police chief.

The folks outside of Ferguson won't care what happens there as long as it STAYS in Ferguson, and the unhappy Ferguson populace will find new things to complain about instead of racist cops.

 

[zencompass]

What I can't understand is the term "African American" being used. I don't hear Jennifer Lopez described as a "Latin American" or Lisa Ling an "Asian American". Why the distinction? To me an American is an "American". Maybe I just don't like labeling and have never understood/agreed with it. JMO