MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[bwt42]

I don't know if I'd call him a liar. I can't listen to verify if it was "No" or "No comment". My only recollection was "No" but I could be remembering wrong. If so, please delete my posts or I'll try to do so. I hope you saw my other post providing a link to the interview. If not, here it is again.

ETA - I don't see the problem with lying even if he did. They weren't ready to release it. Maybe they were in the process of moving his family to a safe location. There are a lot of reasons that would justify lying when someone got a lucky hit with the right name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJoEjLlK_54

FYI the comments the mod was referring to were not made by you.

 

[krimekat]

I am as well. I also work about 5-10 minutes from Ferguson.

yeah, I work as a contractor with ESI but they've been allowing us to work from home since Monday . . . I did all week

 

[Leilei]

No autopsy report yet, just going by what the actual witnesses have to say. It's been in the news since day one, re: his hands in held up and being shot in the back and then in the front.

In the minority here, and I understand that, but I believe that there was no reason to shoot to kill this young man. Blast away.

 

[cady]

There are some gun-happy cops out there, and that's scary enough, but they are policing a gun-obsessed country. They almost have to presume that especially if someone is running away, that they are armed. This does NOT excuse firing first and finding out later, though. Call for back-up and follow them if you suspect them. "Suspicion" is not worth losing anyone's life over. JMO

 

[liljim]

And some witnesses are implying that WILSON started the scuffle inside the vehicle, tried to grab MB while sitting in the car etc...

Others online have pointed out that MB was a very big guy and no officer would try to grab a suspect that size like that around the neck especially when there is a firearm involved; far far too dangerous for one cop by themselves.

yeah i dont know what to make of that yet, you would think african american males in that area know that it is a good way to end up in the morgue to try to fight with a cop tho right? so it does still seem possible to me that he was only struggling with the cop in an attempt to get away, not to try to take his weapon or kill him. no clue at this point, we will get a clearer picture when the officers full statment and the ME report are released.

i definitely feel like it is unlikely charges are filed and if they are that is it is VERY unlikely he is convicted of anything.

 

[Sonya610]

Atty for #Ferguson Market sez owners complied with warrant issued today by St Louis County for turning over hard drive of surveillance video
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The police report clearly said the police got the video the day after the robbery, not sure why the county would issue a warrant to get the info today???

I imagine the clerk/owner of that story is very worried indeed, he saw what happened to the QT (including the word Snitch left on the QT). Now HE/his store has been identified as the real "source". He better be prepared to protect himself!

 

[Frydaddy]

sure, i understand that - but, it wasnt like the police made no statements, they said the incident started with an altercation over the 2 people walking in the street, do you think it was better to leave people that were emotionally charged with the impression that this happened over jaywalking? im not stating it was or was not either way, im saying it will be interesting to hear their justification for doing so.

Oh, I totally agree that you'd like for all parties, especially the formal ones like LE, to immediately bring us the facts as they are known. But, this incident didn't occur in a vacuum of ideal conditions. Look at the reaction by some to the presentation of the video robbery...would the reaction have been different a couple days ago?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just got back after a nice day outside to find out the officer did not even know about the robbery and stopped MB and friend for walking in the street.
I was hoping to come home and be able to feel better about this all but I don't. I feel more angry.

I hope they have every outside agency they can investigating. I think that the police chief should step down for the way he handled this and that there should be some real retraining of these officers and the dept.

 

[MyBelle]

There are some gun-happy cops out there, and that's scary enough, but they are policing a gun-obsessed country. They almost have to presume that especially if someone is running away, that they are armed. This does NOT excuse firing first and finding out later, though. Call for back-up and follow them if you suspect them. "Suspicion" is not worth losing anyone's life over. JMO

I think it might be difficult to make a call for backup while engaged in a scuffle for your weapon.

 

[liljim]

The police report clearly said the police got the video the day after the robbery, not sure why the county would issue a warrant to get the info today???

I imagine the clerk/owner of that story is very worried indeed, he saw what happened to the QT (including the word Snitch left on the QT). Now HE/his store has been identified as the real "source". He better be prepared to protect himself!

i think they got a copy of the video and were not able to view it for some reason, they might have gone back to get the actual hard drive for that reason?

 

[JeannaT]

Just got back after a nice day outside to find out the officer did not even know about the robbery and stopped MB and friend for walking in the street.
I was hoping to come home and be able to feel better about this all but I don't. I feel more angry.

I hope they have every outside agency they can investigating. I think that the police chief should step down for the way he handled this and that there should be some real retraining of these officers and the dept.

I was out for a lot of the time too - and it's the topic of news talk radio for sure. It appears that they were blocking traffic, and that's why they were told to get on the sidewalk.

 

[cady]

sure, i understand that - but, it wasnt like the police made no statements, they said the incident started with an altercation over the 2 people walking in the street, do you think it was better to leave people that were emotionally charged with the impression that this happened over jaywalking? im not stating it was or was not either way, im saying it will be interesting to hear their justification for doing so.

The only "police" at the incident was the cop who shot the kid. So it's HIS statement which his colleagues believe. We really don't know the nature or intensity of the altercation, nor do we know who started it. Let's see what the evidence shows. JMO

 

[liljim]

I think it might be difficult to make a call for backup while engaged in a scuffle for your weapon.

i think he is referring to suspecting them of having just committed a violent felony, in which case calling for backup before engaging them in any way would be policy in most places if not all.

but it seems like we now know that the officer had no idea they were suspected of anything and did truly just make the stop because theywere in the street.

so its sort of a moot point.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm pretty much right here now.

I think that in this case there seems to me no reason this kid is dead. And a lot to try and make him to be the bad guy. First it was reported he punched the clerk, Well he didn't. He pushed him. The man was not hurt.. Yeah MB looks like a jerk in the video but that does not mean he should be dead.

I really hope the autopsy is clear. And I bet they have no released it yet because they don't want to have to talk about the fact that he was shot in the face and possible evidence that his hands were indeed up.

This all should have come out day1. Not on the day they released the officers name to try and shift the focus.. Which they have done.

I think this cop made a huge error in judgment when he shot and killed MB. I can not see it any other way at this point.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

i think he is referring to suspecting them of having just committed a violent felony, in which case calling for backup before engaging them in any way would be policy in most places if not all.

but it seems like we now know that the officer had no idea they were suspected of anything and did truly just make the stop because theywere in the street.

so its sort of a moot point.

What violent felony? He pushed a guy and took some cigars. Not probably 20.00 in product.

No weapon.

 

[MyBelle]

yeah i dont know what to make of that yet, you would think african american males in that area know that it is a good way to end up in the morgue to try to fight with a cop tho right? so it does still seem possible to me that he was only struggling with the cop in an attempt to get away, not to try to take his weapon or kill him. no clue at this point, we will get a clearer picture when the officers full statment and the ME report are released.

i definitely feel like it is unlikely charges are filed and if they are that is it is VERY unlikely he is convicted of anything.

Isn't a crime to fight with a cop no matter your race or gender? It would be impossible for any witness to know who started the scuffle inside the patrol car.

JMO

 

[liljim]

The only "police" at the incident was the cop who shot the kid. So it's HIS statement which his colleagues believe. We really don't know the nature or intensity of the altercation, nor do we know who started it. Let's see what the evidence shows. JMO

right, and all i was commenting on was the police chief leaving the public with the impression that this started over jaywalking. and it turns out to now be true, this incident did start over jaywalking.

 

[popsicle]

I am thinking..jmo

They were told to get out of the middle of the road.
As he drove away Wilson heard the BOLO and backed up.
MB assaulted Wilson as he tried to exit his vehicle.
MB struggled for the gun that Wilson was pulling out for protection.

 

[liljim]

What violent felony? He pushed a guy and took some cigars. Not probably 20.00 in product.

No weapon.

some people may not agree but robbery by force, which is what he did, is a felony and a very serious crime, it is not shoplifting.

 

[MyBelle]

The police report clearly said the police got a copy of the video on CD the day after the robbery, not sure why the county would issue a warrant to get the info today? The authorities already HAD IT!

I imagine the clerk/owner of that story is very worried indeed, he saw what happened to the QT (including the word Snitch left on the QT). Now HE/his store has been identified as the real "source". He better be prepared to protect himself!

A warrant would be needed to obtain the original and to preserve chain of custody of the evidence.

Both the store owners and the police officer should have protection, imo.