MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[Muffet]

Thank you. So MB was 6' 4" and weighed 292 lbs. Big guy. Any one know his age?

He turned 18 on May 20, according to the records.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

 

[krimekat]

That is not a crime, it is a misdemeanor.JMO

misdemeanors are crimes

 

[Gardenlady]

He was blocking traffic, not jaywalking. He was being arrogant. jmo

If arrogance were a crime, 99% of teenage young men would be in prison.


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[krimekat]

I tend to doubt it was his first, too. Note in the pdf (I posted the link just above - #1051, I think) that his birthday is 5/20, so his legal record prior to 3 months ago would likely be sealed. We can't know right now.

I think another interesting thing in the pdf is the status of his driver's license. (same for his friend's, if I remember correctly.)

Also, what bothers me a lot in the video is that, even after he had shoved the guy's throat and was halfway out of the store, he turned around and got in the manager's face again.

wow! now knowing his actual birth date - I know so much more about him . . .

 

[krimekat]

Hmmm. Where are all the "blocked" drivers who surely witnessed the incident? Why haven't we heard from them? I agree that he was jaywalking, and I'll accept that it was rather arrogant of him to not move out of the way when told to by Wilson. JMO

don't know yet since this is actually being investigated by 2 other law enforcement agencies: StL County & FBI

Media is only being fed what it needs to know, I guess . . .

 

[krimekat]

What is this about? Walking down the middle of the street? Is that what he did after he robbed the store?

Yeah, he & dorian johnson

 

[K_Z]

ITA. Not that those troopers aren't as nice as can be when they are writing you the ticket. My daughter was very impressed with his cuteness factor. He smiled at her and suggested I let her drive. She was 12.

I'm shocked at how they are handling this. Announcing they won't use tanks or tear gas? Why not just unlock the stores and hold the doors?

JMO

BBM

It's a completely impotent response, IMO-- which is perhaps how it is designed and intended to be. Impotent "on purpose".

They've tried posturing, as well as "benign neglect." I personally think it's time for a considerable show of force against the looters and rioters. Nothing less will persuade the rioters and looters to stop. They need clear limits, and boundaries, announced consequences, and assertive follow thru, much like unruly, defiant, mouthy adolescents, and the criminals they are. And a large staffed secure area to process those who are arrested, and transport them to jail. Those who resist arrest should be dealt with appropriately, IAW established protocols. IMO. Get these criminals off the streets. The whole thing is a mockery of what a peace keeping force is supposed to be, IMO. I don't care if the officers or the criminals are black, white, pink, purple, or day glow orange-- get the situation under control NOW.

Enough pussy footing around. The authorities need to very assertively take control of the situation. Even if that means martial law. The business owners and law abiding citizens deserve that response. Right now, IMO, security and law enforcement is an incompetent joke.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If the authorities have treated hypothetical-you with disrespect for generations, how is it reasonable to expect you to show them respect? I'd hope and expect you to stand up (or sit down in non-violent resistance) and yell!

You of course have the right to your opinion that there is no excuse for lack of respect for all authority (as established, I disagree). But would only ask, is all authority everywhere always deserving of respect?


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This Has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. IMO

If a person in authority, a police officer with a GUN & badge doing his JOB makes a prefectly reasonable request like "get out of the middle of the street, you're blocking traffic"
It's just plain idiotic not to.

IMO

 

[Gardenlady]

This Has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. IMO

If a person in authority, a police officer with a GUN & badge doing his JOB makes a prefectly reasonable request like "get out of the middle of the street, you're blocking traffic"
It's just plain idiotic not to.

IMO

With respect (lol) the "lack of respect" she and I were talking about was the heckling during the Presser.


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[Linda7NJ]

If you believe the cop's story, he assaulted the cop. I don't buy it. MB knows the cop is armed; there's a big difference between strong arming a small, unarmed store clerk and assaulting an armed cop.


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Even as he shamelessly strolled down the middle of the street flaunting his I'll gotten gains out in the open with LAW ENFORCEMENT right there, in broad daylight.

IMO

 

[Muffet]

I'm very glad I've never been gunned down for walking in the road. I've jaywalkers during the day many, many times, and late at night I've walked down plenty of empty streets because there's no traffic. If it's a death penalty crime to do so, I guess I should have been dead long ago.


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Here's where I have trouble in the discussion...

I cannot bring myself to believe that he was shot for walking down the road. At noon. Unarmed, execution style, on a public street. By a white cop who is reportedly clean and won an award. Who, despite the claims of the Chief, knew nothing about a BOLO that came over his radio.

To believe that he kept going after telling them to get out of the road, then stopped and turned around to arrest/shoot MB... Because why?

That narrative just doesn't pass my smell test.

What DOES make sense is that the officer saw them walking in the road, told them to go to the sidewalk, drove on, then realized that they fit the BOLO of a physically aggressive robber, then turned around hastily, and tried to apprehend them, and MB resisted.

What followed, I'm waiting to learn more about. But of the two scenarios, only the second makes any sense to me at all.

(For links to support my description of what the officer knew when, see this post: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10863798)

 

[Lovejac]

Yeah, he & dorian johnson

That's ballsy. I would think that after stealing from a store and shoving a clerk, I would try to be as low key as possible. Not try to draw any attention to myself.

I certainly don't think I would be walking in the middle of the street.

What time did this happen? I saw that MB robbed the store around 11:45 am. How much longer after that was he shot?

 

[Gardenlady]

Even as he shamelessly strolled down the middle of the street flaunting his I'll gotten gains out in the open with LAW ENFORCEMENT right there, in broad daylight.

IMO

Still doesn't call for being shot.


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[MyBelle]

I agree, look at it all. The statistics on death during arrest, discharges of LE firearms during arrest against unarmed suspects, are there for those who wish to look. The evidence has been presented, attempts are made to raise the issue over the years, but how can we even talk about it or look at it when so many refuse to listen to any talk at all about racial bias? Yes it's an ugly subject but putting ones fingers in ones ears only assures that that the current flames die down only to explode again another day.

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I don't believe anyone is putting fingers in ears because they want to pretend racial bias doesn't exist. So does gender bias. Neither has anything to do with this case.

I've yet to see any evidence race of either the officer or the suspect had any bearing on the events that transpired. The officer had probable cause to make the stop. Mr. Johnson admitted they were walking in the street and he told them to get on the sidewalk and they refused.

JMO

 

[bwt42]

So many outsiders have come to Ferguson with their minds already made up, there is no way they will accept any not guilty verdict. Doesn't matter even if the Feds investigate. JMO

 

[krimekat]

That's ballsy. I would think that after stealing from a store and shoving a clerk, I would try to be as low key as possible. Not try to draw any attention to myself.

I certainly don't think I would be walking in the middle of the street.

What time did this happen? I saw that MB robbed the store around 11:45 am. How much longer after that was he shot?

yeah, pretty ballsy but you have to be in that neighborhood for those not in the know

about 10 minutes from altercation at market to Ground Zero

and another officer showed up a minute later (the one who was at the store that was robbed) & EMS (which was already there on another call) responded with 5 mins! I do believe all this is available via MSM otherwise, I would not know

 

[Gardenlady]

Here's where I have trouble in the discussion...

I cannot bring myself to believe that he was shot for walking down the road. At noon. Unarmed, execution style, on a public street. By a white cop who is reportedly clean and won an award. Who, despite the claims of the Chief, knew nothing about a BOLO that came over his radio.

To believe that he kept going after telling them to get out of the road, then stopped and turned around to arrest/shoot MB... Because why?

That narrative just doesn't pass my smell test.

What DOES make sense is that the officer saw them walking in the road, told them to go to the sidewalk, drove on, then realized that they fit the BOLO of a physically aggressive robber, then turned around hastily, and tried to apprehend them, and MB resisted.

What followed, I'm waiting to learn more about. But of the two scenarios, only the second makes any sense to me at all.

(For links to support my description of what the officer knew when, see this post: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10863798)

I get this. I also don't think he was shot for walking down the road. I have no idea if he had his hands up. It's likely he had words. I do NOT buy that he attacked the cop. He probably ran.

What the issue is for me is that none of this, not even if he were resisting physically, warrants executing an unarmed suspect.

Give chase on foot or follow by car, call for back up, find him later. It's a $50 theft, he's unarmed, if they're that worried about him strong arming in the future they can always follow up and locate him through typical methods. NO ONE had to die.


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[Linda7NJ]

BBM

It's a completely impotent response, IMO-- which is perhaps how it is designed and intended to be. Impotent "on purpose".

They've tried posturing, as well as "benign neglect." I personally think it's time for a considerable show of force against the looters and rioters. Nothing less will persuade the rioters and looters to stop. They need clear limits, and boundaries, announced consequences, and assertive follow thru, much like unruly, defiant, mouthy adolescents, and the criminals they are. And a large staffed secure area to process those who are arrested, and transport them to jail. Those who resist arrest should be dealt with appropriately, IAW established protocols. IMO. Get these criminals off the streets. The whole thing is a mockery of what a peace keeping force is supposed to be, IMO. I don't care if the officers or the criminals are black, white, pink, purple, or day glow orange-- get the situation under control NOW.

Enough pussy footing around. The authorities need to very assertively take control of the situation. Even if that means martial law. The business owners and law abiding citizens deserve that response. Right now, IMO, security and law enforcement is an incompetent joke.

I Agree with you...seems all of a sudden the community WANTS protection from LAW ENFORCEMENT from criminals.

Hmmmmm


Seems LE can't catch a break, either they do their job and get slammed or not do their job and get slammed. Perhaps the community should spend another few nights policing themselves.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

With respect (lol) the "lack of respect" she and I were talking about was the heckling during the Presser.


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Oh...blushing... Nevermind

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's ballsy. I would think that after stealing from a store and shoving a clerk, I would try to be as low key as possible. Not try to draw any attention to myself.

I certainly don't think I would be walking in the middle of the street.

What time did this happen? I saw that MB robbed the store around 11:45 am. How much longer after that was he shot?

Iirc less than 15 minuted