MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[JeannaT]

Is that opinion? Because so far that is not what witnesses say at all.

And the cop is not talking yet.

The cop has talked to the Police Chief Jackson, and he relayed that there was a struggle for the officer's gun before Brown was fatally shot.

 

[vulture]

I am as well. I also work about 5-10 minutes from Ferguson.

I'm also in the area. I now live 15 miles away. I used to work at the Wal-Mart on West Florissant that got looted. I attended classes off and on at St. Louis Community College at Florissant Valley, right by where all this is going on.

 

[Leilei]

Walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...elease-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown

Jackson said there was a struggle for the officers gun:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/police-chief-shot-was-fired-officers-car-death-michael-brown

From your link:
He could not say whether there are witnesses who will confirm the shot going off in the car or that the struggle occurred. Hannity asked whether, as some witnesses have stated, as many as 10 shots were fired by the officer.

"It's possible that that many shots were fired," said Jackson.

So, there is no proof, yet, right?

 

[cady]

If his gun discharged in the cruiser as the Police Chief reported, it is not a "nifty excuse." Officers must provide an explanation for whenever their weapon discharges and this officer received facial injuries. If the bullet had struck the officer, Mr. Brown would be facing life in prison or the death penalty.

JMO

The police chief was NOT a witness. So far, there is NO evidence that Brown was IN the car or near the weapon. One witness, Tiffany, said that BOTH of Brown's hands were outside of the car. She did not see a weapon. Police chief is repeating what Wilson stated. As I said, ballistics hopefully will clear this up. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Police Chief Thomas Jackson said the officer who fired the fatal shots, Darren Wilson, did not know Michael Brown was a robbery suspect when he initially stopped the teen and a companion "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic." Jackson told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Wilson knew there had been a robbery in the area but did not know that Brown was a suspect.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-...er-who-fatally-shot-michael-brown-identified/

An attorney for the teen who was with Brown on the day of the shooting said his client has acknowledged to investigators that Brown took cigars from the store.

Police have determined that Johnson was not involved in the robbery and will not seek charges against him, Jackson said.

 

[Sonya610]

Either you guys link up when asked or stop posting about it. I mean it. It's annoying when facts are stated and no one else has seen these facts. Plus, it's a forum rule and has been since before I ever became a mod.

Can we assume that means links to things that have NEVER been linked to in this thread?

And that does not apply when people ask for links that have been posted in the thread a few times already and are common knowledge for those keeping up with the case?

 

[Simply Caustic]

Every talk radio show I listened to today, while driving, seemed to suggest that the officer did, in fact, stop them for blocking the street. (He was on a sick call, and was keeping the street clear for ambulance, etc.) HOWEVER, he was aware of the robbery. He didn't stop them for the robbery, he stopped them from walking in the street...

IMO, at that moment, it dawned on him that they could be the robbery suspects (at 6''6, MB stood out.)

IMO, as soon as the officer talked to MB, MB must have been terrified. He could get busted for strong-arm robbery, and that's no tiny sentence. It's a serious charge, robbing a store (and that's what he did, shoving someone 1/3 of your size and stealing is robbery.)

MB knew that he had just committed a crime. IMO, he wanted to get away from that cop. IMO, that's what caused all this. He wasn't about to get taken in for robbery, and whatever happened after that instant, we don't know.

But it's JMO that a cop isn't going to throw away his whole career, life, and go serve a prison sentence for murder, just to shoot a kid.
But if that kid goes for his gun, he's going to protect himself.
That's JMO, and I appreciate no one has been slamming me for it, I'm glad we can speak our minds without snipping or snapping, here, I love WS.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually the chief just said that Wilson saw MB and friend in the street and asked them to get on sidewalk, then when he passed them, " HE MAY HAVE SEEN THE CIGARS AND MAY HAVE THEN PUT IT TOGETHER."
LIVE CNN COVERAGE NOW.
That is not fact that is supposition.

I am sorry, I really don't think that this is going to end up well for this cop. I just don't think this is adding well at all. It stinks to high heaven,

Wolf just took the words out of my mouth..basically it is maddening the information coming out in drips and drabs and not being accurate... It is crazy.

 

[reedus23]

Here is the link about the questioning of the name. If there is another one, then bring it on the thread or stop posting about it immediately.

Thanks Kimster and nora. I'm good with that link. From that link and that post:

Reporter: What do you think, are they just throwing names out there?
Chief: I think that's what they are doing, taking name after name after name and jus throwing them out there.

In my very humble opinion, this response is being deceptive. Whether he's a liar or being deceptive is semantics. Of course, that is just my opinion as well.

 

[Simply Caustic]

dont you agree tho that if the police chief knew that what you suggest had actually happened that he would have been very sure to mention it?

he would not say that the reason for the stoppage was that they were walking in the street, and specifically say that they were not stopped for anything to do with the robbery if in fact he knew that sometime in the middle of the altercation the officer did begin to see them as possible suspects. he would absolutely have mentioned that. imo

JMO, but the police chief really needs a helping hand with these press conferences. He was all over the place. I am a staunch advocate for LE, and respecting them. My dad was a cop. But, JMO, the chief isn't the best public speaker: He kinda switched up his story, regarding the BOLO.

JMO

 

[Simply Caustic]

Thanks Kimster and nora. I'm good with that link. From that link and that post:



In my very humble opinion, this response is being deceptive. Whether he's a liar or being deceptive is semantics. Of course, that is just my opinion as well.

IMO, that quote doesn't make him a liar. At all. JMO

 

[formerjerseygirl]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true
Ferguson officer realized during encounter that Michael Brown might be suspect in robbery, chief says

 

[liljim]

MB's family is calling for a second autopsy. (<---I don't have a link at the ready, so take this as JMO until I find the link.)

The fact that his family is calling for a second autopsy is interesting. Seems suggestive of the expected results not jiving with their claims. Perhaps, NOT shot in the back? Why on earth would they already be calling for a second autopsy...
Unless there's something on the first one that they don't care for.

JMO

has the family seen the ME report? i didnt think they had. i thought they were calling for a second autopsy just because of the distrust inherent here.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

MB's family is calling for a second autopsy. (<---I don't have a link at the ready, so take this as JMO until I find the link.)

The fact that his family is calling for a second autopsy is interesting. Seems suggestive of the expected results not jiving with their claims. Perhaps, NOT shot in the back? Why on earth would they already be calling for a second autopsy...
Unless there's something on the first one that they don't care for.

JMO

I think they just are not sure there is going to be a fair and real report and who the heck can blame them?!

If he shot MB 4-5- 6 times, Sorry that is excessive and no reason for it. None.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

A moderator posted this link this afternoon:

The preliminary investigation showed that the officer tried to exit his vehicle, but Brown pushed him back into the car, "where he physically assaulted the police officer" and struggled over the officer's weapon, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said.

A shot was fired inside the police car, Belmar said. After the incident, the officer was taken to an area hospital, where he was treated for a "swollen face," according to Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html

Let me say this, I am still not sure I am on board with this, BUT EVEN If this was the case, once MB was out of the car and fleeing he was no longer a threat. You call for back up and pursue on foot, But you don't just start shooting. That is not policing that is executing.

Maybe this guy was not a good guy, But if he was a safe distance away from the cop and the cop just started shooting and the guy had his hands in the air, Then you arrest him or hold him at gun point while back up arrives. You don't just kill him dead.

 

[MyBelle]

dont you agree tho that if the police chief knew that what you suggest had actually happened that he would have been very sure to mention it?

he would not say that the reason for the stoppage was that they were walking in the street, and specifically say that they were not stopped for anything to do with the robbery if in fact he knew that sometime in the middle of the altercation the officer did begin to see them as possible suspects. he would absolutely have mentioned that. imo

ABC News just reported it and actually showed a copy of the officer's police report.

 

[Cherry]

http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

OMG I cannot believe that the wife of this cop called into a radio show...to give his side of the story. What idiots! Sorry but do they have rocks for brains? I mean come ON!

 

[liljim]

ABC News just reported it and actually showed a copy of the officer's police report.

abc news just reported that the officer did consider them as suspects in the robbery?

 

[Cherry]

Cnn today the Cheif said and I quote: "The officer stopped them for walking in the middle of the street blocking traffic" those were his exact words, he said then that he did not KNOW about any robbery. So it looks like lies are already starting to out the police dept here in good Ole Ferguson MO.....my god.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The cop has talked to the Police Chief Jackson, and he relayed that there was a struggle for the officer's gun before Brown was fatally shot.

That is just his account. I meant the cop speaking out or issuing a statement on his own accord.