MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[MyBelle]

How do we KNOW that the cop was assaulted? The robbery was not an issue at the time of THIS encounter. Is jaywalking a violent crime? What was the probable cause to suspect a violent crime was committed or ABOUT to be committed? Did Brown resist arrest? Was he told that he was under arrest? WE DO NOT KNOW. We need to review reports about the scene. We need to know exactly what Wilson stated to interviewers about what happened in those few minutes. Any information that he learned AFTER the fact does not address the time frame of the incident. There is no clarity at this point in time. JMO

I think we know the police officer was assaulted because he filed a report and was taken to a hospital for facial injuries. Do you think he lied and struck himself?

Strong arm robbery is a violent crime. For true clarity, one must first open the eyes.

JMO

 

[JeannaT]

I was thinking about that and am really not sure, some rumors say he dropped 3-4 feet in front of the cop so maybe there would be powder on the suspect but kind of doubt it. The size of the bullet holes would probably be the same and quite possibly the angle too.

Come to think of it I would bet that would be a bit point of argument IF it went to court (without powder residue), lawyers on one side saying he advanced several feet and the others saying he didn't. I really hope this doesn't end up in court as that will be a real nightmare.

Wherever he fell, is where he still was when the investigators/witnesses showed up and the pics were taken. There is no one going to be accused of moving him after he passed away. IMHO, the closer he is to the cop car/cop's last position the more innocent the cop looks. If he's 50 yards away and shot in the back, not so much.

 

[Linda7NJ]

With the release of the convenience store CCTV footage today, I'm now wondering if the reason the Quick Trip was burned down was because word got out in the neighborhood that same day (perhaps via Dorian Johnson or someone else - IDK) that MB had robbed a store before being shot by the police officer, and the local thugs burned down the QT in retaliation because they thought that was the store MB had robbed. There were rumors of "snitch" graffiti being scrawled on the building.

I hope LE is providing protection to the owner of the store MB robbed.

I think there are some in that neighborhood who know what happened regarding the burning down of the QT, but they won't say a word because they're either trying to cover up for someone or they're directly involved in the arson.

Or they're scared witless because they're surrounded by thugs and criminals.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

(Off-topic: arrests made in the Amish girls abduction!)

 

[popsicle]

Friend of Darren Wilson: 'He was scared'
FRIEND OF DARREN WILSON: :"HE WAS SCARED"
Friend of Darren Wilson: 'He was scared'

[video=cnn2;crime/2014/08/15/erin-sot-darren-wilson-friend-ferguson.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2014/08/15/erin-sot-darren-wilson-friend-ferguson.cnn.html[/video]

 

[liljim]

Linda - you have such a way with words.

ETA: This is the narrative that's been promoted from day one. Unfortunately, it's not an accurate narrative.

that IN MY OPINION is nothing like the narrative that has been put forward, it is a perverse IN MY OPINION exaggeration of it that seems IN MY OPINION to actually take pleasure in the loss of life here.

 

[cady]

I really enjoy WS but I must admit that I am really appalled at the clear bias in this case so early and with such a dearth of facts relating to the few minutes of action that produced this tragedy. I just can't form an opinion this soon about any of the participants intent. I think that they were all terrified for their own reasons. I keep trying to visualize it in slow motion to understand it's escalation. And I haven't just fallen off the turnip truck.............ALL people skew facts, knowingly or not to suit their own needs. Everyone's perception of reality is based upon their cultural "knowledge". And that is how tragic reactions and results happen. So, I don't despise anyone in this scenario and I do not see evil motivation on anyone's part. But I do expect a law officer to consult his or her training as a professional in a very volatile scenario. I do not see any adult professional behavior in this sad story. JMO

 

[liljim]

does anyone have a link for a statement from the police chief that says that the officer definitely suspected the two of them of the robbery before the shooting started?

please provide a link to a statement that says this or maybe we should stop claiming it as fact.

all i have seen is the police chief talking to don lemon of CNN saying something like "maybe" or "could have".

thanx for a link. if it has already been posted i must have missed it, thread has been moving fast and i have been in and out.

 

[MyBelle]

Is there evidence of their intent? If the roadway was blocked by them there should be a bunch of angry witnesses to the event, having been "blocked in the roadway" Where are they? The Chief tol us via presser that there just isn't any more info to tell us at this time. However, this is not the Chief's case. The FBI may have lots of witnesses, but they are not holding press conferences. The state may, too, but they aren't giving us inf. Al the Chief knows is that he is embarrassed and one of his guys is in trouble. We don't hear from the DA, either because at this time, this is not his case. JMO

The only police officer I've seen who truly appears to be embarrassed is Capt. Johnson, who wasn't aware the Sheriff was obligated to release the video to the media when they requested it.

JMO

 

[popsicle]

Is any watching CNN? LMAO

 

[JeannaT]

Is any watching CNN? LMAO

I saw the link you posted above with Jake Shepard - are they showing something else?

 

[popsicle]

The comments etc the craziness.

 

[JeannaT]

I really enjoy WS but I must admit that I am really appalled at the clear bias in this case so early and with such a dearth of facts relating to the few minutes of action that produced this tragedy. I just can't form an opinion this soon about any of the participants intent. I think that they were all terrified for their own reasons. I keep trying to visualize it in slow motion to understand it's escalation. And I haven't just fallen off the turnip truck.............ALL people skew facts, knowingly or not to suit their own needs. Everyone's perception of reality is based upon their cultural "knowledge". And that is how tragic reactions and results happen. So, I don't despise anyone in this scenario and I do not see evil motivation on anyone's part. But I do expect a law officer to consult his or her training as a professional in a very volatile scenario. I do not see any adult professional behavior in this sad story. JMO

Videotapes don't skew facts - and there is a video of him assaulting a very small man about 10 minutes before he is being accused of assaulting a cop. I think in the very beginning, everyone here WAS very openminded and waiting for information. At this point, as of this afternoon, I think so much information has come out that it's quite clear that the cop is more than likely telling the truth, and that this was an unavoidable shooting in self-defense. IMHO. I see Evil motivation, actually, on the parts of the Crumps and Sharptons of this world who make their money stirring up discord.

 

[Frydaddy]

http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...n-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_04e3885b-4131-5e49-b784-33cd3acbe7f1.html

I am sure there are more eyewitnesses out there, but here are links to the three I am familiar with. Why are their accounts so dissimilar? Why is there zero discussion on what happened after Brown went down?

Also, in two pictures of the victim on the pavement, I see no evidence of shots in the back (blood, holes in shirt). Admittedly, the angle isn't the best.

Just trying to ascertain what in all this small amount of evidence that is known is solid enough to believe. One girl said officer is trying to put Brown in back of squad car, Johnson says window of squad car, one girl says truck.

 

[popsicle]

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[katydid23]

I'm pretty much right here now.

I think that in this case there seems to me no reason this kid is dead. And a lot to try and make him to be the bad guy. First it was reported he punched the clerk, Well he didn't. He pushed him. The man was not hurt.. Yeah MB looks like a jerk in the video but that does not mean he should be dead.

I really hope the autopsy is clear. And I bet they have no released it yet because they don't want to have to talk about the fact that he was shot in the face and possible evidence that his hands were indeed up.

This all should have come out day1. Not on the day they released the officers name to try and shift the focus.. Which they have done.

I think this cop made a huge error in judgment when he shot and killed MB. I can not see it any other way at this point.

MB is 6ft3 and muscular, and he 'pushed' a little old man up against a wall for trying to stop him from STEALING a box of cigars. He bullied and intimidated that clerk. How would YOU like to work in a store and have some big <mod snip> shove you around and steal stuff from your store? That was a bad move on MB's part. If that clerk had continued to argue he would have been hurt, I have no doubts. STRONG ARMED ROBBERIES ARE A FELONY.

It does not matter whether the cop was aware that these were the 2 suspects. In fact, it made the situation way more dangerous for the officer. He was just telling some teens to get out of the street. If he had known they just robbed a market then he would have been in a more alert state of mind. I am sure he was not expecting this big teen to suddenly fight him so hard. And I think that is why MB is dead. His OWN choices lead him down that tragic path, imo.

 

[SStarr33]

I really enjoy WS but I must admit that I am really appalled at the clear bias in this case so early and with such a dearth of facts relating to the few minutes of action that produced this tragedy. I just can't form an opinion this soon about any of the participants intent. I think that they were all terrified for their own reasons. I keep trying to visualize it in slow motion to understand it's escalation. And I haven't just fallen off the turnip truck.............ALL people skew facts, knowingly or not to suit their own needs. Everyone's perception of reality is based upon their cultural "knowledge". And that is how tragic reactions and results happen. So, I don't despise anyone in this scenario and I do not see evil motivation on anyone's part. But I do expect a law officer to consult his or her training as a professional in a very volatile scenario. I do not see any adult professional behavior in this sad story. JMO

Me too. It is CRAZY how the media was able to spin this the way they did for over a week. I'm glad the truth is finally coming out.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Crump on CNN saying this video tape "demonized" the victim. I think his action in the store demonized himself!


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Well said QueenD! I have come 180 degrees. I also want to await the autopsy report though. I cannot believe a thing DJ says after he lied about he and MB meeting up on the street. Although I commend him for putting the merchandise back on the counter in the convenience store. Kudos for that DJ!

 

[liljim]

The only police officer I've seen who truly appears to be embarrassed is Capt. Johnson, who wasn't aware the Sheriff was obligated to release the video to the media when they requested it.

JMO

there is some question as to whether he had to release it or not, why would he have to release surveillance video from a suspected crime in which no charges have been filed related to the crime? better legal minds than mine will have to firgure this out but i have seen several people who should supposedly know saying that it would not be subject to a FOIA request. anyone know for sure?

 

[katydid23]

http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...n-Jr-shooting-speaks-to-News-4-271139501.html

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_04e3885b-4131-5e49-b784-33cd3acbe7f1.html

I am sure there are more eyewitnesses out there, but here are links to the three I am familiar with. Why are their accounts so dissimilar? Why is there zero discussion on what happened after Brown went down?

Also, in two pictures of the victim on the pavement, I see no evidence of shots in the back (blood, holes in shirt). Admittedly, the angle isn't the best.

Just trying to ascertain what in all this small amount of evidence that is known is solid enough to believe. One girl said officer is trying to put Brown in back of squad car, Johnson says window of squad car, one girl says truck.

I do not believe Johnson's version, that a cop would grab a 6ft3, muscular teen by the neck, through a car window. What would be the point of that? It is not a very good position for the cop to be in at all? It makes no sense to me. jmo