MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[Muffet]

Missouri statute:
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

 

[MyBelle]

They probably don't trust it even though they haven't seen it...[ according to their atty they have not seen it yet]

I think what has happened is that the community leaders are anticipating the possibility the outcome of the autopsy will reflect that the Officer was justified in shooting. I heard CNN earlier mention that the FBI will be present during the 2nd autopsy and that there will be careful examination of all wounds, including trajectory. Thanks to the FBI's involvement, everybody seems to be on the same page as to trying to find the truth.

JMO

 

[reedus23]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

On page 15 of 19, at 18:54:26 - What does that mean? What is it saying? TIA

 

[tlcya]

According to Brown family atty, Michael Baden is doing the 2nd autopsy report. And he says the family has not seen the original report.

He also says the robbery video ' has not been authenticated' by the family.


ETA: since when does LE have to have family members authenticate crime surveillance videos?

this.

 

[Muffet]

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And even if he didn't come after the officer, the BOLO would be reason to consider the suspect dangerous.

But I agree - MB's actions and the attitude he projects during the robbery make me more likely to believe the official's statement that he got aggressive and attempted to take the officer's gun. Up thread, the link was posted showing that the officer's sworn statement said that is what he did.

Unless he's shown to have perjured himself, that experience would surely exonerate him, IMHO.

 

[HauntsForHope]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

On page 15 of 19, at 18:54:26 - What does that mean? What is it saying? TIA

Thanks! These are the police reports of the robbery AND the shooting... let's see...

That page is giving the description of the robber to the responding officer. 18:54 is the last entry, it says they don't see him in the area. The the call is closed at 18:54 by the responding officer who took the robbery report.

 

[reedus23]

Thanks! This is the police report of the robbery... let's see...

Thank you.

 

[krimekat]

all right there if you have the patience to connect the dots & know the area or at least use Google maps . . .

 

[Muffet]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

On page 15 of 19, at 18:54:26 - What does that mean? What is it saying? TIA

Not sure, but judging from page 16, "notes were added" at 18:54:26.

My guess is that it was an incoming "still nothing" report that wasn't entered into the record when it came over the radio, maybe due to too much going on?

 

[reedus23]

Thanks! These are the police reports of the robbery AND the shooting... let's see...

That page is giving the description of the robber to the responding officer. 18:54 is the last entry, it says they don't see him in the area. The the call is closed at 18:54 by the responding officer who took the robbery report.

Is there any significance to the fact that they are saying, at 18:54:26, which I assume means 6:54:26 p.m., that they "still see no one matching that description."

 

[krimekat]

the responding officer is not the one who saw MB & DJ on the street -- IMHO

the officer who shot MB was in the neighborhood originally on a "sick call"

 

[jjenny]

Is there any significance to the fact that they are saying, at 18:54:26, which I assume means 6:54:26 p.m., that they "still see no one matching that description."

Well, how could they see him? He was already long dead by 6:54.

 

[Boytwnmom]

It is very interesting to me that the store owner did not call 911 himself. He was assulted and robbed yet he was not going to report it. While I have heard alot about the community fearing the police and being mistreated by them, I wonder if that is the whole story of this community. How do business owners feel about the community and police? Do they feel unprotected by the police? Is lawlessness typical and expected? Sounds like it is not just a story of residents living in fear of LE. It seems odd to me that residents are so afraid of the police in the same place where business owners are afraid of reporting crime. Let's just say that's not a community I'd be looking to move into.

The narrative doesn't pass my smell test either. But that's because I don't believe an accessory to strong-arm robbery is going to possibly incriminate himself by telling police what really happened. This is why 40 FBI agents are now going door-to-door. To see if folks will come forward without fear that they will be labeled as squealers.

JMO

 

[reedus23]

Not sure, but judging from page 16, "notes were added" at 18:54:26.

My guess is that it was an incoming "still nothing" report that wasn't entered into the record when it came over the radio, maybe due to too much going on?

Many thanks. Might be obvious why me and my brother were debating if there was any significance to it but I didn't want to put any thoughts to it without first getting everyone's reading of it. We were trying to determine if, by saying "still see no one matching that description." at nearly 7:00 at night it would prevent or inhibit officer DW from asserting that he knew or recognized or realized at any time during the confrontation with MB that MB matched the description of the robbery suspect. Had he thought MB, at any point during that confrontation at just after 2:00 matched the robbery suspect, then why, at nearly 7:00 were they still saying they "see no one matching that description."

 

[MyBelle]

According to Brown family atty, Michael Baden is doing the 2nd autopsy report. And he says the family has not seen the original report.

He also says the robbery video ' has not been authenticated' by the family.


ETA: since when does LE have to have family members authenticate crime surveillance videos?

I think what Baden is saying is that the family doesn't believe that is their son in the security video. And such denial is perfectly understandable. I'd have trouble accepting my adored son would do something like that.

JMO

 

[JeannaT]

It is very interesting to me that the store owner did not call 911 himself. He was assulted and robbed yet he was not going to report it. While I have heard alot about the community fearing the police and being mistreated by them, I wonder if that is the whole story of this community. How do business owners feel about the community and police? Do they feel unprotected by the police? Is lawlessness typical and expected? Sounds like it is not just a story of residents living in fear of LE. It seems odd to me that residents are so afraid of the police in the same place where business owners are afraid of reporting crime. Let's just say that's not a community I'd be looking to move into.

As I understand it, he was being assaulted and was making an effort to get MB to pay for the cigars when another customer called 911. The clerk was busy dealing with the situation.

 

[krimekat]

this happened at Noon

"quickie mart" robbery was 10 mins prior & shooting around 3 mins after 12p Central time

I live here - and remember

 

[JLSChook]

Me too.

Curious to know what 'shot repeatedly in the back' means to you and Linda, if you don't mind. More than once? More than twice?

Also, why would that make you change your mind knowing that it is within LE's rights to shoot at a fleeing felon, especially one who is dangerous. (re: strong arm robbery, assaulting LEO, trying to grab LEO weapon)

 

[HauntsForHope]

Is there any significance to the fact that they are saying, at 18:54:26, which I assume means 6:54:26 p.m., that they "still see no one matching that description."

Not really, it just means that officer, who took the report, did not see him. On page 6; He looked in the direction the witness said they went on W Florrisant and over to the QuikMart. Didn't see then so he broadcast the description over the radio. The shooting took place over on Canfield Dr and Copperfield Ct. just a few minutes after the robbery.

18:54 is when the call was closed. You'll see there are several entries at 18:54

 

[krimekat]

It is very interesting to me that the store owner did not call 911 himself. He was assulted and robbed yet he was not going to report it. While I have heard alot about the community fearing the police and being mistreated by them, I wonder if that is the whole story of this community. How do business owners feel about the community and police? Do they feel unprotected by the police? Is lawlessness typical and expected? Sounds like it is not just a story of residents living in fear of LE. It seems odd to me that residents are so afraid of the police in the same place where business owners are afraid of reporting crime. Let's just say that's not a community I'd be looking to move into.

I don't - especially in that neighborhood . . .