MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[JLSChook]

From the live feeds I'm watching, it's pouring rain now.

ETA--Jinx Pops!

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO they are only thinking of themselves, not MB. For the looters and destroyers, this is a perfect excuse to take things you want, without paying for them and be able to do it in the name of justice for MB.

Bingo

 

[Lovejac]

I hope and pray the rain makes a difference.

I'd be a nervous wreck if I had a loved one working out there.

 

[Linda7NJ]

From the live feeds I'm watching, it's pouring rain now.

ETA--Jinx Pops!

Thank goodness!

 

[katydid23]

From the live feeds I'm watching, it's pouring rain now.

See...there IS a God. I really think this town will dodge a bullet if it pours hard tonight. Who wants to run around and party in a downpour?anic:

 

[JLSChook]

Here's another livestream link. Hope it works for those who couldn't watch the other ones.

They are saying most, if not all of the MSM are leaving.

http://www.livestream.com/activistworldnewsnow

 

[zoomom]

re: the video a bystander took:

fwiw - Many years ago, an 8 yr. old girl got run over and killed right in front of my house, right outside of my kitchen window (by a neighbor lady in her cadillac). It was an accident. I had a 10 month old baby in my arms at the time and I just watched the whole thing. The cops came, the emt's came, the news crews came, and so did the crowds. Kid's on bikes just riding around! The mother showed up - it was awful!! They wouldn't let her pull the little girl out from under the car or even touch her! They finally put a sheet over her little body (maybe after 30 minutes). I was hysterical!! Crying, losing my mind for hours!, How could they just leave her there??? It took probably 4 hours for a white van to pull up - the Coroner. I was young - in my 20's. I didn't know cops couldn't grab a dead person and put them somewhere "nicer". I didn't know that NO ONE can move a body until the Coroner gets there. I didn't know even the parents couldn't touch her. I was young. I was dumbfounded. It took my own Mother to explain to me (for a long while, months, really) that there are protocols and procedures and investigations and interviews with potential witnesses. You can't just jump in with your immediate emotions. My point? I really think a lot of the people (the looters, some protesters) that are CRAZY-upset about this incident and voicing opinions about every little thing (and blaming the cops directly) might not know how the real world works when something like this happens. I think they may be truly ignorant on the subject (like I was). I'm just hearing some ridiculous things from people, on MSM (not WS'ers!)

JMO, not trying to make waves.

 

[Linda7NJ]

"Doornail dead"? Can we please show the deceased a little respect?

No disrespect intended.
I was making a point.
No ambulance needed.

IMO

 

[Isabelle]

Exactly my thoughts too.

How long was he lying there uncovered, nobody tending to him? Why wasn't an ambulance there within 2 minutes of the shooting? The cops seem so nonchalant. Very disturbing.

Has the actual shooting also been caught on camera? Or part of it? I guess not, I only hear of eye witnesses.

Concerned me too, but I think LE knew he was dead. Did you notice the elongated area extending away from the top of his head? I don't think that's a shadow because it's too long. I think it may be blood and brain matter that sprayed out. In the video I did hear one of the individual's comment that his brains were on the street. LE knew they couldn't do anything for him. Preserving the dignity of a deceased person is probably not anything they concern themselves with. I find that very disturbing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

re: the video a bystander took:

fwiw - Many years ago, an 8 yr. old girl got run over and killed right in front of my house, right outside of my kitchen window (by a neighbor lady in her cadillac). It was an accident. I had a 10 month old baby in my arms at the time and I just watched the whole thing. The cops came, the emt's came, the news crews came, and so did the crowds. Kid's on bikes just riding around! The mother showed up - it was awful!! They wouldn't let her pull the little girl out from under the car or even touch her! They finally put a sheet over her little body (maybe after 30 minutes). I was hysterical!! Crying, losing my mind for hours!, How could they just leave her there??? It took probably 4 hours for a white van to pull up - the Coroner. I was young - in my 20's. I didn't know cops couldn't grab a dead person and put them somewhere "nicer". I didn't know that NO ONE can move a body until the Coroner gets there. I didn't know even the parents couldn't touch her. I was young. I was dumbfounded. It took my own Mother to explain to me (for a long while, months, really) that there are protocols and procedures and investigations and interviews with potential witnesses. You can't just jump in with your immediate emotions. My point? I really think a lot of the people (the looters, some protesters) that are CRAZY-upset about this incident and voicing opinions about every little thing (and blaming the cops directly) might not know how the real world works when something like this happens. I think they may be truly ignorant on the subject (like I was). I'm just hearing some ridiculous things from people, on MSM (not WS'ers!)

JMO, not trying to make waves.

What an awful thing to witness (((((hugs)))))) so sorry

 

[K_Z]

I don't think the officer was operating out hatred or active racism. I think he too is a product of his environment. I don't think he shot out of hatred, but out of fear based on racial bias - not necessarily a known, conscious racial bias, but one he picked up in his environment. And I also think he shot because not all jurisdictions train cops in de-escalation. Because the law supports cops in shooting first and asking later. I think the failure is more system-wide in this cop's jurisdiction, as opposed to a personal failure. He's a product of his training, really.

I'm sure he feels terrible, and I do feel sympathy for him. A great deal really. At the same time, he gets to go home to his family and still collect his check. He is alive, thank god. But MBs family and friends will now have to go on without him. And no one who loved him, and no one in the black community of Ferguson is assured that anything will change - that black men, regardless of class or behavior, whether they are armed or not, will continue to be treated differently than a white man in the same position.

It's SO sad that someone died when it could have been avoided. Another person's career is over. It didn't have to happen! What has happened to foot chases, follow up (interviews, picture line ups, talking to cooperative folks in the neighborhood, etc). I don't know. :banghead:


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I know you are a kind person at heart, Gardenlady, and want to find the good in all people, and celebrate the potential of every person. That's a good quality to have. There is never enough kindness in this world.

Respectfully, I don't think the officer's career is over, and I think every officer is trained in appropriate de-escalation techniques. Not every encounter is appropriate for de-escalation techniques, respectfully, and this may have been one that required quick thinking and immediate action to prevent further escalation, or death and injury. If MB was assaulting and charging the officer, struggling for his weapon, refusing his instructions, etc-- that isn't time for a long discussion about how the suspect "feels" about the encounter.

Many officers are in a position where they have to lawfully shoot a suspect while on the job, and they go thru the long and intense process of investigation, counseling and re-entry, and go on continue their law enforcement careers. Others leave the profession because they are tormented emotionally, or fearful of being on the beat again. I know we don't agree about his actions, but I strongly feel this officer's conduct, and the shooting, will be determined to be legal and justifiable in the circumstances that existed. I do believe the whole situation will be thoroughly investigated. I don't think he should face any criminal charges, and right now I feel pretty certain he won't (but I could be wrong, depending on the politics involved).

I'm certain he had official photographs taken of his injuries, his hands, the squad car, his uniform, holster, etc. There is a good chance he was drug tested. I suspect his uniform and holster, weapon, etc were all officially confiscated, probably by other investigators while he was in the ER. He knows, as all officers do, what the internal affairs procedures are if they have to shoot a suspect.

The officer has a long road emotionally, psychologically, and professionally to go thru. His history shows he is a resilient person, a kind person, and a decorated officer. He has my best wishes as he also is tormented by the horrible things said about him in so many venues. My impression is he was just doing his job that day, in an incredibly difficult, violent, and unpredictable environment. I know we don't agree, but I don't think he executed anyone, and I think he will be cleared/ vindicated. I hope so, anyway.

I'm very sad for MB's choices, and sad for what his family and friends, most of all his mother, is going thru. It was avoidable. MB could have made different choices that day, and I believe he'd still be alive. I believe if he hadn't made the choice to rob the store for cigars, and assault the clerk, he'd still be alive. I see this as a young man who made a series of very bad, voluntary choices, that lead directly to his death. Brains aren't completely developed in 18 year olds-- they still have a lot of maturing to do in the area of anticipating consequences, and impulsivity. I wish he had made different choices, but just as the officer is a product of his up bringing and environment, so was MB.

Peace.

 

[katydid23]

Once the body is down and dread, if shot by a cop, then they are NOT going to go anywhere near the body. They do not want to be accused of tampering with the crime scene, adjusting the body, etc etc. They knew they were being watched and video-ed. They just stayed clear and waited for the coroner and forensics to come and do their jobs. What else could they do?

 

[Lovejac]

Once the body is down and dread, if shot by a cop, then they are NOT going to go anywhere near the body. They do not want to be accused of tampering with the crime scene, adjusting the body, etc etc. They knew they were being watched and video-ed. They just stayed clear and waited for the coroner and forensics to come and do their jobs. What else could they do?

Damned if they do,
Damned if they don't

 

[popsicle]

Here's another livestream link. Hope it works for those who couldn't watch the other ones.

They are saying most, if not all of the MSM are leaving.

http://www.livestream.com/activistworldnewsnow

Gah... that coverage..lol

 

[Lovejac]

re: the video a bystander took:

fwiw - Many years ago, an 8 yr. old girl got run over and killed right in front of my house, right outside of my kitchen window (by a neighbor lady in her cadillac). It was an accident. I had a 10 month old baby in my arms at the time and I just watched the whole thing. The cops came, the emt's came, the news crews came, and so did the crowds. Kid's on bikes just riding around! The mother showed up - it was awful!! They wouldn't let her pull the little girl out from under the car or even touch her! They finally put a sheet over her little body (maybe after 30 minutes). I was hysterical!! Crying, losing my mind for hours!, How could they just leave her there??? It took probably 4 hours for a white van to pull up - the Coroner. I was young - in my 20's. I didn't know cops couldn't grab a dead person and put them somewhere "nicer". I didn't know that NO ONE can move a body until the Coroner gets there. I didn't know even the parents couldn't touch her. I was young. I was dumbfounded. It took my own Mother to explain to me (for a long while, months, really) that there are protocols and procedures and investigations and interviews with potential witnesses. You can't just jump in with your immediate emotions. My point? I really think a lot of the people (the looters, some protesters) that are CRAZY-upset about this incident and voicing opinions about every little thing (and blaming the cops directly) might not know how the real world works when something like this happens. I think they may be truly ignorant on the subject (like I was). I'm just hearing some ridiculous things from people, on MSM (not WS'ers!)

JMO, not trying to make waves.

How awful! I'm so sorry

 

[SStarr33]

Concerned me too, but I think LE knew he was dead. Did you notice the elongated area extending away from the top of his head? I don't think that's a shadow because it's too long. I think it may be blood and brain matter that sprayed out. In the video I did hear one of the individual's comment that his brains were on the street. LE knew they couldn't do anything for him. Preserving the dignity of a deceased person is probably not anything they concern themselves with. I find that very disturbing.

What are the protocols to be followed when there is a shooting?

 

[JLSChook]

Gah... that coverage..lol

It wasn't like that when I found it. :giggle:

 

[MyBelle]

Thank goodness!

A little Heavenly justice.....

 

[Muffet]

In general, even putting a sheet down could disturb evidence, couldn't it?

I say "in general" because, watching that video, I didn't see anyone collecting evidence, or taking pics before the sheet...?

It kind of bothers me that we didn't see The Car inside the taped-off zone.

I'm worried about an OJ scenario, where a trial could get poisoned by questions about the handling of evidence.

I know I'm fretting too much (I don't even think it will go to trial), but this whole thing, particularly some tweets, has made me edgy and depressed.

I should stop following, but... I can't look away.

Please, please let the rain pour all night...

 

[popsicle]

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Charlie LeDuff ‏@Charlieleduff 9m
Police blocking each end of the Avenue. Black Panthers imploring people to go home. Rain falls. The crowd thins but not gone. #Ferguson



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David Carson ‏@PDPJ 8m
#Ferguson it's raining, crowd thinned some, yelling, some in crowd are expressing anger at police others just watch


Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 3m
Man, there are some *baby* dudes running around in masks out here. Moms, call your kids.


Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m
Capt Ron out now as we approach the curfew #ferguson