MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[bettybaby00]

Can't really compare the Ramseys to Officer Wilson. He is employed still, to this day, by the FPD. He has not been fired or arrested or charged with anything. Nor has he written any fake ransom notes.

BBM

Couldn't help it, that made me :giggle:

 

[CuriousGuy]

http://time.com/3330800/tef-poe-ferguson-missouri-police-militarization-civil-rights/

What an <mod snip>. Just who, pray tell, does he think sicced Holder on FPD?

 

[krimekat]

Yeah, I would have thought it would have been all day or over multiple days. Depositions in run of the mill rear end accidents take as long as 4 hours.

really? I'd like to see some proof as I sat in StL County GJ for 3 months in 2007 & typically was sent home early due to lack of evidence to present to us :blushing:

$15 a day that session when I was missing out on $815 a day on project with Mercy Health . . .

 

[reedus23]

Can't really compare the Ramseys to Officer Wilson. He is employed still, to this day, by the FPD. He has not been fired or arrested or charged with anything. Nor has he written any fake ransom notes.

But he is still the subject of an investigation, no?

 

[katydid23]

If you can't see what is wrong with a subject of an investigation being given evidence of what that investigation is showing then there really is no need for us to go on further honestly. I don't care if he's on paid administrative leave or not, he is still the subject of a criminal investigation and LE does not, in my experience, tell the subjects of that investigation "Hey, thought you might want to know, this is what we've found out so far."

I am not saying they are pulling up a chair and showing him the files. I am just saying that they would be telling his attorney some things they are learning. And that happens with many subjects of ongoing investigations. it is not that unusual. Defense attorneys have those kinds of relationships with investigators as they work on many cases together over the years. And have other cases simultaneously. My dad was often told how 'serious' the evidence against a certain defendant was or was not, at various times.

It boils down to this: If things were looking bad, and the evidence was coming back showing he was LYING, then his attorney would have figured that out. But if things were being corroborated, that might be communicated to them as well. Especially if he was going to decide if he was going to testify.

Many times, subjects of ongoing investigations are brought in and told " hey, thought u might want to know, this is what we found so far...." The reason they do that is to get the subject onboard with the program or scare them..." WE already know this so you better start talking..."

 

[Linda7NJ]

Investigating:As noted earlier, grand juries traditionally investigated both criminal activity and the conduct of public affairs. State grand juries still retain these functions, although not every state gives its grand jury both functions.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/stategj/funcsgj.htm



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[bettybaby00]

I only know because I track and watch the space station when it does a fly by over my house ...I set it to send me an email on the NASA website, I go outside to watch!...and I have the NASA app that sends push notifications.
I'm a geek that way...blushing..


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Awesome....who knew!

 

[reedus23]

IMO this is an investigative grand jury. It works a little differently.


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I wasn't talking about the GJ. I was talking about the County PD providing results of THEIR investigation to OW or his lawyers.

 

[reedus23]

I posted the "victims rights" info earlier, which the way I read it, the DA keeps the family informed.



http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...icle_74022ab8-756f-5e1d-81b3-3c577f1e9208.htm

BBM I'm sure the above was done prior to much of the "evidence" being available. he can't change his GJ testimony to fit the evidence when he already has made official statements.

Don't kid yourself, it can be tweaked.

 

[Linda7NJ]

:floorlaugh: LOL, you are a a geek!!

:crush: ( But I love it! That sounds pretty awesome!)

Off topic...
I hope your foot recovers quickly and with little pain! ((((Hugs))))


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[bettybaby00]

what an ignoramus. Just who, pray tell, does he think sicced holder on fpd?

ikr? Smh

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh mercy me! I think this is an awesome idea, and I wish them the BEST of luck trying to clear up all of those misperceptions. But given the last two meetings that I've witnessed with my own eyes and ears, I'm not very hopeful

I hope he remembers to bring the circus tent...


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[LambChop]

If you can't see what is wrong with a subject of an investigation being given evidence of what that investigation is showing then there really is no need for us to go on further honestly. I don't care if he's on paid administrative leave or not, he is still the subject of a criminal investigation and LE does not, in my experience, tell the subjects of that investigation "Hey, thought you might want to know, this is what we've found out so far."

Who would tell him that? Not the prosecutors, not the witnesses and certainly not his attorney because he is not permitted to sit in with the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury sessions are secret. Their discussion amongst each other is secret. OW would know who the witnesses are because it has been mentioned in the media. The only ones not mentioned would be those who came forward and supported OW's claim about what happened and he would have no contact with them. Unless the juror's themselves are calling OW with a report I don't see how he would know what is happening during those sessions.

Any one have any idea?

 

[bettybaby00]

Don't kid yourself, it can be tweaked.

Tweaked?

C'mon. If he was guilty of "executing" MB tweaking ain't gonna save him.

 

[reedus23]

No one really knows if he's being supplied anything above & beyond he needs to know . . . truth will exonerate him against the liars spouting off to MSM

oh, Holder's due in to town again

why continue to vote Democrat & remain poor??? I don't get it

That answers how the whole conversation even started. I was wondering if OW was being supplied any of the evidence of the investigation. No one knows. Fair enough. Will avoid the flaming about the other stuff.

 

[Klood-N]

IMO, Darren isn't being handed investigative files. He may be aware of some of the evidence coming back, etc. also, investigators could have come back to him to inquire abt little things, things witnesses stated, etc.

I don't believe an FPD officer involved in a shooting would have free reign with StL County's files.

 

[katydid23]

But he is still the subject of an investigation, no?

yes. But most of the forensics are back and the investigators already have a good idea of his credibility. Let's say, hypothetically. that MB's prints are on the gun, and his palm prints are on the car door, and the officers facial injuries were proven, and there were a few people in cars who saw the start, and saw MB run to car and assault him, w/no warning. If the investigators ahd all of this information, would it be wrong to tell OW's attorney as OW was trying to decide if he should testify or not?

 

[reedus23]

Oh mercy me! I think this is an awesome idea, and I wish them the BEST of luck trying to clear up all of those misperceptions. But given the last two meetings that I've witnessed with my own eyes and ears, I'm not very hopeful

I agree. It is an awesome idea. I predict that there will still be chanting and protesting. I predict some here will look harshly upon that. I predict that the mayor and city council will be more understanding. And I predict that if it is followed through and genuine, in time, there will be some healing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Awesome....who knew!

Lol... Me...

"Spot The Station" sends me an e-mail .....my son and I set phone reminders for date & time...then we run outside with our iPhones and use the compass app...

Here's a typical e-mail copied and pasted:

Time: Sat Sep 13 5:43 AM, Visible: 4 min, Max Height: 88 degrees, Appears: SW, Disappears: NE


http://spotthestation.nasa.gov

Now you all know!


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[Linda7NJ]

I wasn't talking about the GJ. I was talking about the County PD providing results of THEIR investigation to OW or his lawyers.

Im saying the function of this grand jury.
This grand jury isn't being ASKED to return an indictment.




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