MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[katydid23]

How much you wanna bet I could pick a part inconsistencies between his statements and what Ms. Meadows would claim he told her?

He did not tell Josie anything. His girlfriend told her the story. So inconsistencies would not matter. It was 3rd hand information.

 

[Lovejac]

Smart of McCulloch to have the gj hear from OW yesterday, not their normal meeting time today. Bet an enraged and deranged Shahid is somewhere doing evil things to his already hideously mistreated stuffed doggies.

:hilarious: You just KNOW they are beside themselves knowing Officer Wilson was right there in Ferguson, right under our noses and no one had a clue!

 

[reedus23]

Unless she declines the invitation.

I think a witness can be compelled to testify, just not a suspect or defendant or subject of the investigation or whatever term it is that doesn't upset people. If she had reason to assert her 5th amendment rights, she could do that before a GJ.

 

[katydid23]

I think we're saying the same thing. If I commit a crime, I'm testifying before the GJ because it would make you or others more confident in my feelings of innocence.

But ONLY IF your testimony seemed credible and was backed by forensics and held up under scrutiny. Just the act of testifying does not create he confidence. It has to be successful testimony.

 

[CHERIE.T]

what the hello is going on with this site? :gaah:
Last night and today it is lagging, knocking me off and
incorrectly posting quotes

 

[cady]

Unless she declines the invitation.

I don't think one can graciously decline a subpoena. OW was invited, and could decline if he chose. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

So what do you all think of recording grand jury witness testimony if IMMUNITY from prosecution is given??



Looks at lot to me like DJ ....aka ...Mr. Ground Zero ...

Is singing a much different tune behind closed grand jury doors.

All IMO


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[Lovejac]

what the hello is going on with this site? :gaah:
Last night and today it is lagging, knocking me off and
incorrectly posting quotes

Maybe Ferguson-itis? :dunno:

 

[reedus23]

He did not tell Josie anything. His girlfriend told her the story. So inconsistencies would not matter. It was 3rd hand information.

See, this is where I get confused. Josie's statement is ok to run with if we are using it to support OW (i.e. MB bumrushed OW) but it's not ok to consider if we're talking about inconsistencies. And I'm not talking about a trial here and what is admissible and what is not. But being 3rd hand would only make for more inconsistencies, not less. Now I get to question the girlfriend, Josie, OW and all of OW's statements and poke holes in all of their stories.

 

[Linda7NJ]

:hilarious: You just KNOW they are beside themselves knowing Officer Wilson was right there in Ferguson, right under our noses and no one had a clue!

I LOVE the idea, I just highly doubt they're meeting in Ferguson.


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[LambChop]

Unless she declines the invitation.

Josie cannot testify. She is not a witness to anything that happened that day.

 

[Muffet]

And how is it that she saw nothing?

I didn't criticize frydaddy's analysis. Not sure why you take it as such. I don't have to agree with it in order to respect his diligence and hard work.

Regarding Tiffany, you may be right. I might be confusing the issue with her statements with those of others.

Regarding your last paragraph, imo, it's fine to disagree with some conclusions. But there comes a point when resisting or twisting too many logical answers is disrespectful, imo.

/my perspective, I don't expect you or others to agree with everything I say. Even I don't.

 

[cady]

He did not tell Josie anything. His girlfriend told her the story. So inconsistencies would not matter. It was 3rd hand information.

I believe even hearsay is allowed in GJ process. Not in a criminal trial tho. JMO

 

[reedus23]

But ONLY IF your testimony seemed credible and was backed by forensics and held up under scrutiny. Just the act of testifying does not create he confidence. It has to be successful testimony.

Ahhhh, now I am on board with you. That is not what was espoused in the post I originally responded to.

 

[LambChop]

Maybe Ferguson-itis? :dunno:

Solar Flares.....look it up. :nuclear:

 

[Linda7NJ]

If there wasn't any evidence to support officer Wilson's version, no way would he testify.

IMO

That means....all the forensics back him up...and there's eyewitness accounts as well,..

Just my interpretation....


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[katydid23]

See, this is where I get confused. Josie's statement is ok to run with if we are using it to support OW (i.e. MB bumrushed OW) but it's not ok to consider if we're talking about inconsistencies. And I'm not talking about a trial here and what is admissible and what is not. But being 3rd hand would only make for more inconsistencies, not less. Now I get to question the girlfriend, Josie, OW and all of OW's statements and poke holes in all of their stories.

Of course it would make for more inconsistencies, but you could not attribute them to OW because he never told Josie the story.

And yes, in general, we run with her story. The overall gist of her story has been confirmed as generally correct, according to police spokesman. But no one has said there absolutely no inconsistencies. She was not there, unlike the witnesses to the incident. She heard the story from someone, who heard the story.

And NO, you don't get to question the gf, OW and all of OW's statements just by hearing Josies version. Because it is 3rd hand, you lose a lot in translation.

The witnesses that support MB were there watching the end of the incident. So any inconsistencies came from them, personally.

 

[bettybaby00]

See, this is where I get confused. Josie's statement is ok to run with if we are using it to support OW (i.e. MB bumrushed OW) but it's not ok to consider if we're talking about inconsistencies. And I'm not talking about a trial here and what is admissible and what is not. But being 3rd hand would only make for more inconsistencies, not less. Now I get to question the girlfriend, Josie, OW and all of OW's statements and poke holes in all of their stories.

People, myself included, give her statements weight b/c the chief came out and stated they matched Wilson's account (paraphrasing)

Of course you can argue that's meaningless, but it's why I don't discount what she has said.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Josie cannot testify. She is not a witness to anything that happened that day.

OOPs. should have used names. I was referring to Piaget.

 

[CHERIE.T]

If there wasn't any evidence to support officer Wilson's version, no way would he testify.

IMO

That means....all the forensics back him up...and there's eyewitness accounts as well,..

Just my interpretation....


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Let's hope you're right.