MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[bettybaby00]

Crazy right? I too am heartbroken for OW. He is literally in prison. He can't take his child to the park, or go for a beer with friends. I wonder his many commitments in bus life he has had to bow out of due to safety concerns. I wonder how his new relationship is handling this. His friends and family as well as his brotherhood have got to Be outraged every time they hear him called a killer or a racist or they demand bus arrest and worse.

OT but does anyone happen to know what happens if the DOJ completes their investigation before the GJ? Will they announce their outcome? What happens if the outcomes are different?

Highly unlikely IMO given that they're still "investigating" the GZ case.

 

[Elley Mae]

Highly unlikely IMO given that they're still "investigating" the GZ case.

That's right, and as long as their investigating they don't have to talk about the case as it's an ongoing investigation. They slick like that. <(they) the gov. Like I said a bit back, if eric had his way we would never have seen the store robbery video, never. I do wonder where the situation would be now if it had not been released. jmo idk

 

[Nana]

KMOX St. Louis News &#8207;@kmoxnews now
Police may not see reimbursement from state for work in #Ferguson:
http://cbsloc.al/1o4bzzV

Does anyone know if the protesters have to have a permit?
I know the kkk's protest in Memphis a few years ago had to have one and they had to pay for the extra police, also the truckers to Washington had to have a permit.

 

[bettybaby00]

That's right, and as long as their investigating they don't have to talk about the case as it's an ongoing investigation. They slick like that. <(they) the gov. Like I said a bit back, if eric had his way we would never have seen the store robbery video, never. I do wonder where the situation would be now if it had not been released. jmo idk

Its interesting to consider what might have happened if the video didn't come out. It's possible IMO, that the outrage would be worse then what we are seeing, b/c the "gentle giant" narrative would be unchallenged.

The video helped to turn the tide with people outside the community.

 

[reedus23]

We don't know that Officer Wilson is finished.



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True enough

 

[Klood-N]

Looks like some are starting to talk about their plans for 10/13 a bit more. New hashtag

@anonferg
Any police misconduct at #NoJusticeNoFootball will not be tolerated. St. Louis City police you have been warned @OpFerguson #Ferguson
8:28am - 18 Sep 14
https://twitter.com/AnonFerg/status/512578814983929856


More here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=#NoJusticeNoFootball&s=hash

 

[LambChop]

Does anyone know if the protesters have to have a permit?
I know the kkk's protest in Memphis a few years ago had to have one and they had to pay for the extra police, also the truckers to Washington had to have a permit.

Good question.

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-demonstrations-and-protests

Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. For example:
&#8226;A march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk, and other events that require blocking traffic or street closure;
&#8226;A large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or
&#8226;A rally at certain designated parks or plazas.

 

[bettybaby00]

Does anyone know if the protesters have to have a permit?
I know the kkk's protest in Memphis a few years ago had to have one and they had to pay for the extra police, also the truckers to Washington had to have a permit.

According to Kevin F. O’Neill, a law professor at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law and former legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio.

In general, the rights of demonstrators are balanced against a municipality’s interest in assuring public access to streets and protecting safety. Thus, for non-violent protests, courts have allowed cities to require protesters to first obtain a permit before marching, as long as the permit application is processed promptly and without regard to the content of the planned demonstration.

“If you’re talking about a large number [of people], certainly anything over a 100, in most municipalities, it’s necessary to get a permit,” said Mr. O’Neill. “You can’t just show up with 500 or 1,000 people and start marching through the public streets.”

Emphasis mine.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/08/14/ferguson-unrest-focuses-attention-on-rights-of-protesters/

 

[DebinGA]

I hope every LE officer within 20 mi. of a MB protest will be wearing body cams.

 

[reedus23]

Why October 13th for the civil disobedience at "targets" (similar terrorism wording again)?


St. Louis Rams
1-1, 4th in NFC Western Division
Monday, October 13, 7:30 PM on ESPN
Edward Jones Dome, St. Louis, Missouri
http://www.stlouisrams.com/schedule/schedule.html

The Rams will be thankful if the protesters show up to their game. It will be the biggest crowd they've had all year.

 

[reedus23]

I'm not a football fan..I'm
Imaging they're pretty hard core everywhere...I know in Philadelphia if some rag tag group even tried to disrupt the game in any way shape or form... It would get REAl UGLY QUICK!

They have JAIL in the stadium!

What Makes Philadelphia Eagles Fans Most Notorious in All of NFL ...
m.bleacherreport.com/.../1122166-what-...
Mar 28, 2012 - In 1998, the team installed a court and jail under the stadium run by Judge Seamus McCaffery.

They get rowdy !!!


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Rams fans are about 1% as passionate about football as Philly fans. Really is no good place to tailgate, so that might be a partial reason.

 

[bettybaby00]

Good question.

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-demonstrations-and-protests

Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. For example:
•A march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk, and other events that require blocking traffic or street closure;
•A large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or
•A rally at certain designated parks or plazas.

:giggle: not surprising the ACLU offers language in its most broadest terms. Not to say they're wrong, but per my post, there are more limitations than what they've stated.

 

[Nana]

Good question.

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-demonstrations-and-protests

Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. For example:

&#8226;A march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk, and other events that require blocking traffic or street closure;
&#8226;A large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or
&#8226;A rally at certain designated parks or plazas.

Thank you!
I think the FPD should send out bills to all of them and their flipping leaders.

 

[Klood-N]

@Jdstl314
Sunday at Edward Jones Dome #Ferguson Protest 11AM @OpFerguson #NoJusticeNoFootball pic.twitter.com/tWFvIxpN2c
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jdstl314/status/512573227390861312/photo/1

Looks like they're not waiting until 10/13. This Sunday.

 

[Klood-N]

#NoJusticeNoFootball because if you can root for the black man on the field you can root off the field
https://twitter.com/STLAbuBadu/status/512098810101641216

Same guy who advocated the write-in Mike Brown idea (Umar Lee)

 

[Nana]

Looks like some are starting to talk about their plans for 10/13 a bit more. New hashtag

@anonferg
Any police misconduct at #NoJusticeNoFootball will not be tolerated. St. Louis City police you have been warned @OpFerguson #Ferguson
8:28am - 18 Sep 14
https://twitter.com/AnonFerg/status/512578814983929856


More here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=#NoJusticeNoFootball&s=hash

I really wish I hadn't read those links!!!
This is the kind of crap that gets people killed....

 

[Klood-N]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArchCityAnon/status/511362883176116225/photo/1
Wish I could post the pic. I tried.

 

[Elley Mae]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArchCityAnon/status/511362883176116225/photo/1
Wish I could post the pic. I tried.

Me too, I can't get it to open.

 

[bettybaby00]

Looks like some are starting to talk about their plans for 10/13 a bit more. New hashtag

@anonferg
Any police misconduct at #NoJusticeNoFootball will not be tolerated. St. Louis City police you have been warned @OpFerguson #Ferguson
8:28am - 18 Sep 14
https://twitter.com/AnonFerg/status/512578814983929856


More here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=#NoJusticeNoFootball&s=hash

Wow.. Why are they allowed to make threats??? When I first read your post quickly, I thought it was a warning from police to the protesters.

I just linked an article discussing protests, it was written in the context of journalists being arrested during the Riots/protest. It also mentions...

The courts generally have taken the view that the First Amendment rights to free speech and assembly provide strong protections to demonstrators engaging in peaceful protests, says Kevin F. O’Neill, a law professor at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law and former legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio.

But they also haven’t put many limits on the amount of force police may use to break protests up when they become disorderly.

Courts have been “generally deferential to on-the-street judgments” by police, said Mr. O’Neill. If a protest gets violent, police can respond with their own violence — but no more than necessary to disperse the crowd. In some situations, police may be authorized to use deadly force.

“Fundamentally, police will always have control of a crime scene in an area where’s there’s a violent protest,” Ken Paulson, who heads the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University, told Law Blog. A violent protest could be described as a crime scene, so “police are going to have great latitude in telling journalists where they may or may not stand to observe,” he said.

“The legal standard for use of force by the police is one of reasonableness under the circumstances,” Christopher Dunn, associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, told Law Blog.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/08/14/ferguson-unrest-focuses-attention-on-rights-of-protesters/

 

[Klood-N]

Me too, I can't get it to open.

It's a mobile link. Maybe try replacing mobile with www?

Or try this one.
https://twitter.com/ArchCityAnon/status/511362883176116225