MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #21

[reedus23]

actually, many areas of the County use St. Louis as the "city address" but are considered part of a different municipality; I believe zip codes are more representative of locale, such as 63135, 63136 & 63145 are considered "Ferguson"

maybe this link could be helpful (it is to me)

http://www.zipmap.net/Missouri/St._Louis_County/Ferguson.htm

and this link is AWESOME: http://www.maptechnica.com/us-city-boundary-map/city/Ferguson/state/MO/cityid/2923986

gonna have to book mark it

Where I live, I am in 1 municipality, many have me in a different municipality because that's where the post office is and I commonly use St. Louis because that is what people are more familiar with.

 

[SStarr33]

I can guarantee you 100% that there were racists at the ballpark last night if you are referencing the banner.

No doubt--and from every ethnicity.

The banner implied that everyone in StL is racist--and that includes you.

 

[Klood-N]

My point is, it's all part of the county. I realize many of the closer municipalities share a lot of the same issues, but again, it is not fair to say Ferguson residents were looting. Jennings is nearby, but it was not their street tanks were rolling down. They came to Ferguson from their own municipalities. If it's all local, why didn't they tear their own ***** up? The point would have been the same, if they're all local. They didn't want to tear their town up. They came to Ferguson.

They came to Ferguson, because Michael was shot there. Let's not forget that it was people at Canfield Green yelling "let's kill the police", throwing projectiles, firing shots. Piaget, a Canfield resident, called the press as did others. Outsiders came to join what was already occurring. They saw an opportunity, just as some local agitators and politicians did. IMO, it's just as incorrect to act as if no locals were rioting as it is to act as if it's everyone in Ferguson.

 

[SStarr33]

My biggest problem with her as a leader is the fact that that she deemed it appropriate to use the language she used on a public forum. I use just as colorful language so it's not the language itself that I have a problem with but the decision making process that went on within herself that told her it was okay to use such language in such a public way. It would make me question her decision making process, particularly in times of crisis.

I don't call libeling a person by calling them a member of the KKK "colorful language".

 

[CMac2]

In my own extensive life experience, I have never known 18-25 year olds who much cared about politics. There are exceptions of course, but I doubt in Ferguson.

I thank you for your post, but it gave me no answer. There is something deeper, in my opinion, maybe a lack of parenting, a lacking right of passage, or possibly being born drug addicted. I don't know. I wish I did.

I can only say all the youngsters I know in that age range could care less about politics and, no, they don't like LE. That's because many that I know are breaking/testing the law in one way or another. Methinks it's a part of growing up, but nothing to riot or loot about, and certainly nothing for civil rights threts to be holding an entire pissant town/nation hostage, like our present AG/also a black man, by his own words, has done.

My opinion only

I see your point, but don't fully agree. I wouldn't say these young men are overly interested in politics for politics sake. Whether true or not, these men have been taught the system is actively against them. That their very lives hinge on whether they get pulled over for driving while black, or happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I won't debate whether that's true or not for the purpose of this thread, but regardless of reality, it is their perception. I can promise it has nothing to do with whether they were born addicted to drugs (no idea why that's part of this dialogue), and everything to do with their perception of race relations. For them, racism is a life and death issue. Not saying that's the case for everyone, but it definitely is for these young men.

 

[reedus23]

The names provided so far for the PBS "townhall", moderated by AA Gwen Ifil ...

Mayor Knowles - white Republican iirc

Connie Rice - AA CA civil rights attorney/activist

Jeffrey Blackwell - AA Cincinatti Police Chief

Antonio French - AA StL alderman

Dream Defenders founder/s - saw 3 names mentioned, all AA

There seems to a certain contingent missing. Perhaps a white ACLU chapter head? A white DOJ representative? The white Aryan Nation prez? A member of the all-white Phelps Family?

What am I missing? Aryan Nation? Westboro? Are you being serious?

 

[Trident]

I think this forum is very fortunate to have two articulate, well-versed (in politics, local or otherwise) posters among us. Very educational, all the way around. What are the odds?

 

[CMac2]

You said you don't live in Ferguson, right?

There were no tanks. That's been covered in these threads too.

I live less than 10 miles from Ferguson. Where do you live? I saw the tanks. Not sure who told you they weren't there. Perhaps they, like you, weren't local either?

 

[LambChop]

I don't call libeling a person by calling them a member of the KKK "colorful language".

And it would have been nice if the Senator had done some research on the man's name before calling him KKK. The man's name is Cohn. How ironic that she would pick that particular man to single out as a racist. I feel so bad for that gentleman. jmo

 

[SStarr33]

And it would have been nice if the Senator had done some research on the man's name before calling him KKK. The man's name is Cohn. How ironic that she would pick that particular man to single out as a racist. I feel so bad for that gentleman. jmo

Same here.

Hopefully he sues the crap out of her. Might teach her a lesson.

 

[LambChop]

I think this forum is very fortunate to have two articulate, well-versed (in politics, local or otherwise) posters among us. Very educational, all the way around. What are the odds?

It is always sad to hear that sometimes we learn the most out of the worst things that happen in our lives. But it is the only way to effect change.

 

[DebinGA]

What am I missing? Aryan Nation? Westboro? Are you being serious?

I was being facetious, but the forum list so far indicates what I feared - a one-sided sensitivity training exercise without noting the elephant in the room - that racism goes both ways.

 

[krimekat]

I live less than 10 miles from Ferguson. Where do you live? I saw the tanks. Not sure who told you they weren't there. Perhaps they, like you, weren't local either?

no tanks, maybe a militarized vehicle like the one in U City at the Shell station on the corner of Delmar & Skinker

tanks have tracks, not wheels

 

[reedus23]

IMHO because that's where the 9 Aug incident occurred . . . again, the issues bringing Ferguson down are the same issues bringing down many other communities of North County & North City.

Tanks? no tanks -- maybe militarized vehicles like the one at the Shell (Delmar & Skinker) in U City; it's not a tank

If it's ok, I'm going to keep using tanks because it's easier to type than Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles.

 

[Trident]

It is always sad to hear that sometimes we learn the most out of the worst things that happen in our lives. But it is the only way to effect change.

Depends on what change most people want, and if it is good for the nation as a whole.

 

[krimekat]

If it's ok, I'm going to keep using tanks because it's easier to type than Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles.

LOL - okay; but tanks have tracks & MRAPs have wheels

heck, there's one sitting at the Shell on Delmar & Skinker most of the time . . .

 

[CMac2]

The names provided so far for the PBS "townhall", moderated by AA Gwen Ifil ...

Mayor Knowles - white Republican iirc

Connie Rice - AA CA civil rights attorney/activist

Jeffrey Blackwell - AA Cincinatti Police Chief

Antonio French - AA StL alderman

Dream Defenders founder/s - saw 3 names mentioned, all AA

Sen. Claire McCaskill - white Democrat

There seems to a certain contingent missing. Perhaps a white ACLU chapter head? A white DOJ representative? The white Aryan Nation prez? A member of the all-white Phelps Family?

First of all, it's a PBS townhall meeting. The residents of Ferguson had no say in who was invited as an official speaker and who was not. They had white conservatives speaking as well, and even did interviews offsite with other conservatives that believe the protesters in Ferguson are going about this the wrong way. In addition, since it was a townhall, residents and other members of the audience- people who have no official title- were fully encouraged to speak their minds and ask questions. The townhall itself lasted just over two hours, even though I understand it will be edited down to 1 hour when it airs on Friday night. It was a very open dialogue, full of many viewpoints. Not all were sympathetic to MB, many were sympathetic to OW, and some chose not to weigh in on the shooting itself, and chose instead to discuss local politics, the police relationship with the community, etc. It was a wonderful experience, one I took my 16 year old daughter to. She heard all different views, from people of all walks of life.

 

[reedus23]

No doubt--and from every ethnicity.

The banner implied that everyone in StL is racist--and that includes you.

What did it say again? Did it say "Everyone in St. Louis is racist"?

 

[Klood-N]

no tanks, maybe a militarized vehicle like the one in U City at the Shell station on the corner of Delmar & Skinker

tanks have tracks, not wheels

“The whole picture is being painted a little bit sideways from what’s really happening,” Jackson said. “And it’s not military. It’s tactical operations. It’s SWAT teams. That’s who’s out there. Police. We’re doing this in blue.”

Lt. David Tiefenbrunn of the St. Charles County Sheriff’s Department said Thursday his agency has not yet used its MRAP. He said his department’s BearCat, an armored truck bought with Homeland Security funds, is on the streets with the county’s multijurisdictional SWAT team.

St. Louis County police also has a BearCat, bought with federal grant money, and its larger cousin, the BEAR, purchased more than a decade ago. BearCats cost up to $275,000, and BEARs up to $350,000, the manufacturer says.

Officials confirmed that at least those three armored vehicles were used Wednesday on the streets of Ferguson.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_69176ce4-f888-58ff-b33a-64924d2beb6d.html


Info abt them and their LE use here:
The BEAR is commonly used to replace APCs or large SWAT Vans. It can seat up to 15 team members and can be used for evacuations of 30 or more individuals. It has significant ramming power, especially when ordered with the optional 4WD system.
http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/

 

[reedus23]

I don't call libeling a person by calling them a member of the KKK "colorful language".

I wasn't referencing that. I was out for the most part when all of that went down and am not completely familiar with all of that episode. My reference to colorful language was dropping the "F" bomb on twitter directed at the governor. I didn't want to use the word and chose "colorful language" instead. I think it was her that told him to ****** off!! on twitter. Frankly, didn't follow the KKK discussion to even know who said that.