MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[CoolJ]

I agree. I can't logically stretch my mind to believe that MB was trying to save his own life, or that he was even fearful for his life.

*MB showed no fear when he stole from, assaulted and then intimidated the storekeeper
*MB showed no fear when he decided to walk in the middle of the road when there was a sidewalk available
*MB showed no fear when he refused a direct request from LE to stop walking in the road
*MB showed no fear when he reached in the car to strike LE
*MB showed no fear when he tried to get LE gun

BTW, remember when we heard on Wed about proof that MB had touched Officer Wilson's gun? Have we heard anything further about that?

You can't "stretch" your mind to believe he feared for his life yet he ended up dead anyway. Think about that for a minute.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

OK how about this. Let's just say that MB did walk over to the window and started throwing punches unprovoked. Let's say the gun was in the holster and MB went for it and somehow we knew his intent was to kill. But he couldn't get the gun so he ran away... Is it still ok for A LEO to gun him down as he is walking away or is the proper response to Point your gun at him and order him to raise his hands and get on his knees?

Sorry. It is hard for me to follow that line of thought. What has happened to accountability for your actions? Wouldn't it be a felony attacking LE and trying to get his/her gun? My opinion is when LE is attacked by suspect, LE has to decide if his own life is in danger. Just my opinion.

 

[LambChop]

Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away. Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead. Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. But stating assumptions as facts is wrong when we are dealing with a dead 18 yr old.

Oh, you need a link for that because that is not what was reported by Baden.

 

[CoolJ]

If it happened the way you explained in your scenario, YES, LE could shoot him. (fleeing felon who is dangerous to society or LE)

I posted the link many times in these threads. If you would like it again, please let me know.
However, all shots were to the front.

Wow. Just wow. Where are you folks getting this info. All shots to the front... Link???

 

[tlcya]

OK how about this. Let's just say that MB did walk over to the window and started throwing punches unprovoked. Let's say the gun was in the holster and MB went for it and somehow we knew his intent was to kill. But he couldn't get the gun so he ran away... Is it still ok for A LEO to gun him down as he is walking away or is the proper response to Point your gun at him and order him to raise his hands and get on his knees?

After a person having just assaulted a police officer through his squad car window and attempting to disarm him I would expect the officer to attempt to detain the fleeing suspect on the grounds he was dangerous to LE and possibly others in the public because an individual who does that is a loose and dangerous cannon who could do anything violent to any citizen. According to my world view and mindset, a person who would do that, is capable of pretty much anything. MOO.

That is why it is so important in my mind to have the officer's accounting of events. Because if that did happen, I can see the officer attempting to stop the fleeing suspect who just assaulted and tried to disarm him of his police issue firearm. and If that person in the course of fleeing did turn and the make advances back toward that officer. I can totally see how this all played out. But I have not heard DW's account of what happened that day. I have seen no police report by him of those events. That is why in the face of so much screaming about unarmed good boy I am trying very hard to take every single account that I do have and every single bit of information and piece them into some narrative that makes sense.

If I am honest, the false narrative provided by DJ originally and the subsequent call to arms by the citizens of Ferguson and the pushers of agendas, has made me very suspicious of all that came after from that viewpoint.

I have said it before and will say again. The original narrative of what allegedly occurred made me feel a type of way and think things were very "black and white" Now there are so many shades of gray.

 

[imamaze]

Just wanted to let you all know I am working on a Media thread now. It will take me a while, I am going thru all the threads and gathering them up.

 

[JLSChook]

I say it is not ok to gun him down as he is walking away. I hope DW is not guilty of any crime. However, I find the 4 witnesses that say he was shooting as MB walked away a big problem for DW.

Just because you say it's not okay, doesn't make it the law. The law is what it is and it disagrees with you.

 

[bwt42]

Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away. Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead. Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. But stating assumptions as facts is wrong when we are dealing with a dead 18 yr old.

It is not an assumption that he was shot facing the shooter. 3 shots from front 3 undetermined.

 

[CARIIS]

LC good point - yo created a visualization . With the notion of just driving on patrol, and coming up to two guys that are walking in the middle , looking like it wasn't a cross the street thing. Some reports indicate , get on the sidewalk or statement close. A comment like that , if accurate, indicates that it looked to the officer as if they were continue walking in the middle of the road. Some direction needed! He is an officer. The signfigtance of the is important. It indices that he was not prowling around for people to hassle.


By that i mean if they were on the sidewalk! And it came out like out of blue, for no reason this cop just started hassling us - huge difference. Think about any of us driving down the road and coming up behind two people just chatting and walking in the middle of the road.


Another thought I had was the medias resistance to move the story along by the "video" alone is bewildering to me. State of mind is important in any undertaking. The fact that the tradegy occurred so close, in time, is shooting is huge. We call it criminal cognitive belief systems. As it relates to LE or authority figures it is a common theme in criminal activities.

He just robbed a tiny person!It shows a disregard for the law. It shows disregard for other people (earning money to get what they want).It also in all likelihood results in a disdain for LE. Also a sense of entitlement - committing a strong arm robbery, for cigars, is certainly entitlement. Comp oared to stealing baby formula.

IN addition, when being approached by a tiny person, in both instances, considering his size is wildly aggressive. When the tiny person came up there was no need for the intensity of getting him out of his way.

. You just committed a felony. Shortly thereafter you having a interaction with law enforcement. It would make total sense that to a criminal that would create fear. In addition the stolen property was in his hand. I remebr the first time I saw the video- I was stunned that he did not even try to put them under his shirt or something. I thought that's guys go in to a shop and just cruise on out in your normal gait. Just shows criminal thinking in and of itself.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away. Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead. Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. <mod snip>

Do you not believe well known, trusted Dr Baden? There are many links in the previous threads where Dr Baden has said all the bullets hit MB from the front.

 

[bettybaby00]

Bringing over from end of last thread...

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Long time lurker, first time poster. I hope I do this correctly. I just wanted to add a link that may have been overlooked.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/20/ng.01.html
Nancy Grace: Everybody, for those of you just joining us, a secret grand jury is meeting as we speak, all through this afternoon, we understand into the
evening, to determine whether to indict the police officer that gunned down an unarmed teen.
Joining me here on the set, Daryl Parks, who is joining us. He is taking the side of Michael Brown. He is the lawyer for Michael Brown`s
family.
All right, Daryl Parks, we are gets reports, and I`m reading directly from wires, that state that the officer, the police officer who gunned down
Michael Brown, suffered -- OK, let me just phrase -- let me phrase this. I`ve had reporters that did not want to come on the air tonight because
they are afraid to tell you, to state publicly what I`m about to tell you, because they are afraid of threats, OK?
But I`m going to tell you that there are reports this police officer has suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital eye socket
fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by your clients` son, Michael Brown, before firing his gun.
Now, do I know this to be true? I do not. These are reports coming out of the prosecution`s camp. And I am wondering what your response is.
I want to hear it from you, Daryl, because if Michael Brown beat this cop in the face to start things off, then no jury in this -- no grand jury i
going indict him.
DARYL PARKS, BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, Nancy, without question, we know that there was a major altercation at the car.
There`s no question about that. So you`ll never hear me say there wasn`t a major altercation within the car. There was even a gunshot...
GRACE: Well, with the car...
PARKS: Within the car.
GRACE: ... or at the car?
PARKS: At the car.
GRACE: So you say it happened in the car?
PARKS: The officer was still partially in the car, is what we`ve been told.[/B][/B] Now, take into consideration in this case that we have a video of
the officer right after. He`s standing there with the other officer...
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Can we please accept the "major altercation at the car, there was even a gun shot" actually happened???

It's been stated countless times, that if the Brown's lawyers are admitting to this, it's bad. Every time it's been brought up by them, it's gotten worse.

IF DJ was stating something dramatically different, ie, MB was fighting for his life at the car, then that's the story the lawyers would be pushing in all their interviews.

Instead, they are minimizing that part and emphasizing the "he had his hands in the air surrendering while OW continued firing."

IDK, maybe that's what happened...but consider the shooting from the other day, consider how quickly those shots were fired, and consider that those officers hadn't just defended themselves against a 6'3" 290+ guy who had just assaulted them.

Notice I keep saying them? OW was alone, there was no them, maybe if there were, none of this would have ended the way it did.

JMO

 

[CoolJ]

It is not an assumption that he was shot facing the shooter. 3 shots from front 3 undetermined.

Lol... This is just getting silly now.... The assumption was that MB was not shot from the back. I said nothing of not being shot from the font.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Just wanted to let you all know I am working on a Media thread now. It will take me a while, I am going thru all the threads and gathering them up.

:loveyou: :happydance: :heartluv:

 

[Lovejac]

It's logic. You don't need an ME to explain logic do you? Not only that but if I recall Baden said his arms could have been in any number of positions... In other words he ain't gonna commit one way or the other.

Actually it was Parcells that said it was possible

 

[LambChop]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0


One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

 

[Muffet]

If it happened the way you explained in your scenario, YES, LE could shoot him. (fleeing felon who is dangerous to society or LE)

I posted the link many times in these threads. If you would like it again, please let me know.
However, all shots were to the front.

BBM

Not only "to," but the autopsy report(s) I read all said "from the front". That's a critical distinction for Forensic Pathologists.

(I hope we can all agree that Parcell's endless comments about one or two possibly from the back are worth the non-paper his non-creds are not written on. )

 

[Lovejac]

Bringing over from end of last thread...



Can we please accept the "major altercation at the car, there was even a gun shot" actually happened???

It's been stated countless times, that if the Brown's lawyers are admitting to this, it's bad. Every time it's been brought up by them, it's gotten worse.

IF DJ was stating something dramatically different, ie, MB was fighting for his life at the car, then that's the story the lawyers would be pushing in all their interviews.

Instead, they are minimizing that part and emphasizing the "he had his hands in the air surrendering while OW continued firing."

IDK, maybe that's what happened...but consider the shooting from the other day, consider how quickly those shots were fired, and consider that those officers hadn't just defended themselves against a 6'3" 290+ guy who had just assaulted them.

Notice I keep saying them? OW was alone, there was no them, maybe if there were, none of this would have ended the way it did.

JMO

I've accepted it.

I'm so stoked about the media thread for this case.

Thanks imamaze :loveyou: :happydance:

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

:loveyou: :happydance: :heartluv:

I can not thank you enough! What a labor intensive job.

 

[CoolJ]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0


One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown&#8217;s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family&#8217;s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

"Into his front" ... You see in an anatomical position the ventral side of your arm is front. Ventral = front. However because of the mobility of the arm anatomy, the resting position of your arm has this side facing BACK. This has been spoken of numerous times all over MSM by differing experts.

 

[bettybaby00]

Do you not believe well known, trusted Dr Baden? There are many links in the previous threads where Dr Baden has said all the bullets hit MB from the front.

Didn't Nancy grace ask parcells "how does a bullet make a u-turn" when he was explaining the "one shot to the arm could have come from behind."