MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[JLSChook]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

County investigation: Michael Brown was shot from the front, had marijuana in his system

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

When you check Google, there are about 36 million more hits.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Lol... This is just getting silly now.... The assumption was that MB was not shot from the back. I said nothing of not being shot from the font.

I am trying to follow your posts and understand your thoughts, but some things have been stated with links to main stream TV or newspapers to back up those claims. I understand that it is difficult to read all the posts as well as the links, but it does help a lot. Everybody has a right to have an opinion.
Did you see the post from one of the moderators? I was trying to find the New York Times link.


LambChop WS Moderator



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us...imes.html?_r=0


One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

Or try this link to the New York times article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

 

[CHERIE.T]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0


One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

thank you for re posting LambChop!!:clap:

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Anyway. I am outta here for the night. I feel like I am in bizarro world here. Facts are being made up, nobody wants the truth.
All I ask is to have an open mind. The funny thing, I am still on the fence. I am very 50/50 as to whether this is a justified killing or not, but It is hard to have a discussion with all of the assumptions being made.

I am very sorry that you think facts are being made up. The moderators are monitoring these threads carefully. I think it is a websleuths rule that a link must be posted if one is stating a fact.

 

[LambChop]

"Into his front" ... You see in an anatomical position the ventral side of your arm is front. Ventral = front. However because of the mobility of the arm anatomy, the resting position of your arm has this side facing BACK. This has been spoken of numerous times all over MSM by differing experts.

You will need to provide a link if you wish to challenge what Dr. Baden has reported to the Brown family.

 

[JLSChook]

Anyway. I am outta here for the night. I feel like I am in bizarro world here. Facts are being made up, nobody wants the truth.
All I ask is to have an open mind. The funny thing, I am still on the fence. I am very 50/50 as to whether this is a justified killing or not, but It is hard to have a discussion with all of the assumptions being made.

Sorry but you keep saying you want facts and the truth and many posters are giving you link after link after link for days now, and I don't understand why you're not reading or understanding them.

No facts are being made up. <modsnip>

 

[DebinGA]

Parks: "The officer was still partially in the car" ...

StL PD Chief Jon Belmar cited DW claiming he was "pushed back into his car", presumably by MB, who then hit him in the head/face. In that scenario I picture DW somewhat reclining or sprawled across the front seat with MB above him, directing downward blows. Then while DW was reeling/dazed came the struggle over the gun.

 

[CARIIS]

Tid bits
I liked the NY times piece it was like a refreher course of some stuff that is important but gets lost in the bigger picture IMO.


Actually only found 3 bullets......including one that left at least five different wounds......

An asode De Baden He reviewed the autopsies of both President John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and has performed more than 20,000 autopsies himself.

It is about a 10-minute walk from Ferguson Market to scene

Star witness :That same minute, he wrote, &#8220;Im about to hyperventilate.&#8221; We now know he ran home right?

10 minute video of him in street ;the yellow police tape that marked off the crime scene and the residents standing behind it.

When I first saw I thought god - have the decency ( there were 21 officers standing there) to cover him. That cheif claimed wait for ME. I have never seen a body no covered up never. Placing a blanket over him is decent . I understand he did not want to do it , but a colleague. It was probably hard for him to not have him covered.

If you look at video of him at crime seen - watch his body language. He is distressed. Slumped shoulders, pacing, looking down. ANswering the cops questions his hand are palms up like "I dont know" watch it agin telling - he was upset about what just happened IMO

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

Lamb good link ty


http://www.newscientist.com/article...y-unlikely-to-solve-mystery.html#.U_foFWPSpwQ

 

[CoolJ]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...016ef8-26f4-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html


When you check Google, there are about 36 million more hits.

See my reply to Lambchop. Maybe this is what the confusion is about.... When it comes to the arms... The front is actually the back. This has been discussed all over MSM

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Read my reply to Lambchop. I am far from stupid. I am just very open minded I guess. I need facts.

Excuse me. I don't believe anybody here has said you were stupid. Please don't post statements that are not true. Most of us here are open minded. Many have been reading these threads and links since this incident first happened. There are now 9 threads. That is a lot of pages, comments and links to read. We are all interested in fairness and justice for both MB and LE. I have learned a tremendous amount of information by reading the posts from main stream media.

 

[Muffet]

Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away.

Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead.
Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. <mod snip>

Not on all people, especially if they are in a "What are you going to do, huh? Shoot me?" Stance.

No one, officer or not, should consider "arms up" to mean the person is safe, especially if the person is advancing towards you, especially if they just showed a lack of control by going aggressive with a police officer.

Note the positioning of the ventral aspects of his arms in the store robbery video.

 

[JLSChook]

See my reply to Lambchop. Maybe this is what the confusion is about.... When it comes to the arms... The front is actually the back. This has been discussed all over MSM

See Muffet's post above. Lol

Also, read another post from me to you a little while ago regarding the law on your scenario. Either way, Officer Wilson is justified, IMO.

 

[Lovejac]

They only found 3 bullets in his body.


Actually only found 3 bullets......including one that left at least five different wounds......

An asode De Baden He reviewed the autopsies of both President John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and has performed more than 20,000 autopsies himself.

It is about a 10-minute walk from Ferguson Market to scene

That same minute, he wrote, “Im about to hyperventilate.”

the yellow police tape that marked off the crime scene and the residents standing behind it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0


http://www.newscientist.com/article...y-unlikely-to-solve-mystery.html#.U_foFWPSpwQ

That fact has always stuck in my mind, that only 3 were recovered from the body.

I honestly would not be suprised to find out that MB wasn't hit by 6 bullets.

IMO and according to Dr G (she was on Fox or CNN the other day) the first autopsy is the most accurate of all. And I'm wondering why we heard about the 2nd autopsy on Mon and still nothing about the 1st one.

 

[CoolJ]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/inde...truggle-in-michael-browns-shooting-1408381747

 

[Lovejac]

Like this

Not on all people, especially if they are in a "What are you going to do, huh? Shoot me?" Stance.

No one, officer or not, should consider "arms up" to mean the person is safe, especially if the person is advancing towards you, especially if they just showed a lack of control by going aggressive with a police officer.

Note the positioning of the ventral aspects of his arms in the store robbery video.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/inde...truggle-in-michael-browns-shooting-1408381747

I could not access the entire article, just a line or two. Does this article state that MB was shot from the back?
Do you have a link that has the entire article available?

 

[CARIIS]

"Into his front"

I thougth about that phrasing too . But all alsong from the first minute i saw the diagram- blew my mind not one thing in his back. Media focuesing on tall the front stuff! The far more important piece of data, after weeks of listening to people witness claim over and over he was shooting him in the back.

THe back is more telling than the media focusing on the front IMO

Just does not add up IMO

"Into his front" ... You see in an anatomical position the ventral side of your arm is front. Ventral = front. However because of the mobility of the arm anatomy, the resting position of your arm has this side facing BACK. This has been spoken of numerous times all over MSM by differing experts.

 

[Lovejac]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/inde...truggle-in-michael-browns-shooting-1408381747

It won't let me read but only 3 lines.

Says I have to pay $$$$

 

[CARIIS]

Interesting! And helpful! TY!

Like this

 

[Boytwnmom]

that assulting a police officer is a felony. It's not like punching someone in a bar fight. Just like killing an officer is a capital offense in many states. LE is a special class of victim with more serious penalties. No one has the right to get physical with LE. It's a felony even if it happens via reckless behavior rather than an intentional act and includes hitting or injuring an officer while under the influence. But an intentional assault carries mandatory jail time.

I honestly can't think of a legal basis for the decedent to have a "tussle" with the officer and have heard no facts which would explain it as an innocent event. Elements of the story that came from certain people like the friend who was with him are simply not plausible IMO. To me, there is no way the officer would not have exited or intended to exit his vehicle to interact with the decedent and friend after the first verbal encounter. It is not plausible, IMO, that the officer decided to sit in his car and reach thorugh the window to physically deal with the decedent. Makes zero sense. It sounds like someone was trying to prevent him from exiting his vehicle at the least and most have indicated that the decedent was reaching into the vehicle and the officer was injured so that itself is a felony.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000082.htm

Chapter 565
Offenses Against the Person
Section 565.082
565.082. 1. A person commits the crime of assault of a law enforcement officer,...in the second degree if such person:
....
(2) Knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical injury to a law enforcement officer...by means other than a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument
...
7. Assault of a law enforcement officer,... is a class B felonyunless committed pursuant to subdivision (2), (5), (6), or (7) of subsection 1 of this section in which case it is a class C felony. For any violation of subdivision (1), (3), or (4) of subsection 1 of this section, the defendant must serve mandatory jail time as part of his or her sentence.

It is also against the law to even place the officer in fear of physical injury. http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5650000083.HTM

565.083. 1. A person commits the crime of assault of a law enforcement officer in the third degree if:
...
(2) Such person purposely places a law enforcement officer,... in apprehension of immediate physical injury;

In my opinion, why would there be a need for MB to struggle with LE IF MB had obeyed the LE's orders to get out of the middle of the street and stop blocking traffic? In my opinion, LE would not shoot a suspect at around 12 noon in broad daylight on a Saturday within view of so many of the residents of the apartment complex.
During the several times I have been stopped for speeding in my lifetime, I have not argued with LE. Even if I thought I had not been speeding, I would never have dreamed of arguing with LE. In my opinion, LE deserves respect.