MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #9

[Amber29]

If it's true that Wilson started things off in a threatening tone, "get the f*** off," etc., it could mean trouble for him. In the Chrisman trial I've spoken about before (also cop shooting on duty), the other eye witness cop on duty with him said that when the victim opened the door, Chrisman got him in some kind of chokehold and was pointing his gun on his temple and also said some threatening things, f***, curse words, etc.. Very much like what DJ is describing.
JMO.

I know this was from last night and was responded to but aa9511 DJ also didn't include any cussing in their responses to the officer. He makes it seem like they were very polite with him. Which IMO makes his story unbelievable among other things he wasn't forthcoming about. DJ just isn't a credible witness at all, unfortunately as many things he's said have been proven false. IMO

 

[Alley Cat]

I don't think that is correct. I remember watching the live feeds. jmo

I've come across a few articles that have identified the guy by his twitter handle, they're wrong? I can't find anything on MSM with more detail.

 

[bettybaby00]

IMO, someone definately provoked someone else, starting an altercation which ended up in the tragedy that happened. Why would MB start out provoking Officer Wilson?
1. Police officer - black males are taught to be careful around police officers, MB's father himself said on Anderson Cooper that he had many conversations with MB about how to deal with police officers, b/c of MB's size and stature (PO's would think he is older than he actually was).
2. He had stolen merchandise - why would he want to provoke OW and risk being caught with the stolen merchandise?

IDK, it just doesn't add up to me.
JMO.

IA something set this off, and we don't know what, I'm starting to think he was more than just high on pot.

 

[DebinGA]

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/whats-grand-jury-how-will-it-work-ferguson-case

Questions answered re how the grand jury works ...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know this was from last night and was responded to but aa9511 DJ also didn't include any cussing in their responses to the officer. He makes it seem like they were very polite with him. Which IMO makes his story unbelievable among other things he wasn't forthcoming about. DJ just isn't a credible witness at all, unfortunately as many things he's said have been proven false. IMO

I do not find DJ credible whatsoever.

In fact it bothers me greatly that as his friend is laying there dead he takes that opportunity to run home and then come back quickly. It makes me think he took something home he did not want the officers to find. JMO.

Many times witness statements can change once the federal government gets involved. They have to swear under penalty of perjury that the statement they give is true and correct. And if it is not, they are subjected to prison time for giving a false statement under oath.

 

[SStarr33]

In the interest of keeping stuff all together, I went through and pulled what I think are all of the Piaget Crenshaw interviews as well as her FB pages that have more from her.

Piaget Crenshaw:

Day of Shooting

http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/13/14007133/

LA Times Interview August 10, 2014

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-missouri-police-shooting-20140810-story.html#page=1

Local Fox affiliate interview--August 12, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoQkToJOgQ

CNN Interview with Tiffany Mitchell--August 13, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=advkpZIuq2U

CNN New Day Interview August 18, 2014

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...wday-intv-ferguson-shooting-crenshaw.cnn.html

Anderson Cooper Interview August 18th, 2014

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/...shaw-describes-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/

Videos Piaget Crenshaw took:

http://www.todayleak.com/2014/08/video-cop-who-shot-unarmed-michael-brown-standing-over-his-body/

Piaget Crenshaw's FB Community page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Piaget-Crenshaw/792538637464592

Piaget Crenshaw's Personal FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/RisqueeP?fref=browse_search

Let me know if I am missing any and I will add. I will post on the media thread as well. Anybody up for taking another one of the eyewitnesses and doing the same?

 

[nothingnew]

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bbm

Everyone makes mistakes. We are all humans. Every single person who is in prison has made a mistake, if there validly. They have all broken the law. Doesn't mean we can execute them all.

In less serious matters, we make mistakes every day as humans, most of us do. Doesn't mean we are bad people or don't deserve to live.

We humans don't always all follow rules and follow the line.

A "giant" man pushing a smaller shopkeeper into a display is assault, NOT a mistake, not an "oopsie", it's assault. The shopkeeper is there working and being a productive member of the community-he doesn't need this "disrespect" from some hooligans with nothing better to do. Color/race doesn't matter-I'd feel the same way watching ANY <modship> assaulting ANY shopkeeper.

 

[bettybaby00]

I do not find DJ credible whatsoever.

In fact it bothers me greatly that as his friend is laying there dead he takes that opportunity to run home and then come back quickly. It makes me think he took something home he did not want the officers to find. JMO.

Many times witness statements can change once the federal government gets involved. They have to swear under penalty of perjury that the statement they give is true and correct. And if it is not, they are subjected to prison time for giving a false statement under oath.

I don't think he is either. His first recounting included a lot of outrageous statements, which make the accounting less believable. His story kept changing, the Browns lawyers are confirming negative info, and thus far, some witness accounts and the preliminary AR disprove aspects of his story.

If the county DAs AR report is issued, it's going to tell as a great.

 

[dandy]

I do not find DJ credible whatsoever.

In fact it bothers me greatly that as his friend is laying there dead he takes that opportunity to run home and then come back quickly. It makes me think he took something home he did not want the officers to find. JMO.

Many times witness statements can change once the federal government gets involved. They have to swear under penalty of perjury that the statement they give is true and correct. And if it is not, they are subjected to prison time for giving a false statement under oath.

i thought he might have run home to get rid of the stolen merchandise, but there's some news accounts that said they recovered the stolen property at the scene.

i'm trying to follow the cigarellos . . . did mbrown put them in his pocket - or would they even fit in his pocket, if he had one? not one witness has ever mentioned seeing the stolen property.

edit - imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

So are you saying that MB was fighting with OW throughout FOUR shots being put in him? WOW.

That's not what I said. My opinions have been posted many times, a search of my previous posts will Clear up any questions.

I don't like being redundant.


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[Linda7NJ]

So when it's someone like Michael Brown, he has to, or should have, "manned up" and dealt with it? He should have taken responsibility? He should have shut up?

My, I hope the 95% of parents who think their 18 old children are still "child," would hear this.

Perhaps they will stop funding their children until they are 30 years old.

Perhaps they will stop paying for their adult offspring's car insurance, phone, apartments, college tuitions, and living expenses all throughout college and beyond. Because after all, these offspring who go off to college are typically Michael Brown's age, and end college in their 20's.

But it's ok, because even after they graduate college and find a job, the parents still think of them as their little children, and continue to help them out until they are, like I said, in their 30's or beyond.

So why is it that suddenly kids like Michael Brown should be the ones who should have grown up and manned up by that age?

JMO.

I would hope by the age of 18 every man and woman of every color would have the basic tools necessary to survive a police interaction.
They should know the time to argue isn't with the police, but the judge. If their is a grievance of professionalism, file a report. There are procedures for that as well,

By the age of 18, I expect people would understand it's against the law to rob, steal and assault others. That there can be very serious consequences for engaging in those sorts of behaviors.

All IMO


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[Lovejac]

Are you kidding me?
Is bet there isn't a person on the planet that hasn't, at one time or another, been spoken down to by someone in a position of authority over them.

Parents, teachers, police, bosses. The list goes on and on.
Everyone knows...Or should know...how to appropriately deal with a grievance and in what venue....or have enough sense to shut up and deal with it? If that's what's in your best interest at the time.

That's life. It isn't always fair. Grow up & take responsibility for yourself and your behaviors. The way a person handles it, is up to them. They make the choice.

All IMO




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THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ is what I tell my 3 boys all the time!

Life is not fair, no one csn make it fair for you. The best thing I can do as a mother is show them the proper way to deal with it.

 

[aa9511]

Late to this but .......MB got shot after assaulting a police officer

Excuse me, but none of us know exactly what happened immediately before or immediately after this assault - except that Michael Brown got shot.

We do NOT know for sure what Officer Wilson did or did not do or say. On the other hand, there have been MANY, many scenarios of what Michael Brown did contrived out of imaginations. Is there not a disconnect there? Why are we free to come up with things Michael Brown did or said, but not free with regard to OW?

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

Just to add context re Ofc. Wilson's actions:

1) In the last 10 yrs. there have been 53 officers killed by someone who'd wrestled their gun away
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2) In 80% of the incidents where a person wrestles an officer's gun away, they then shoot them.

We still don't know if MB tried to "wrestle his gun away" or what happened exactly.

 

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz &#8207;@ShimonPro 4m
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[Yoda]

Dorian Johnson version of events in interview with Farrah Fazal.
The red font at the end is the interviewer questions. I put these in because he contradicts himself. JMO

• &#8226; It was around 1:40, 2 o&#8217;clock
• We were walking down the street an empty street.
• cars begin to come but they passing us, nobody&#8217;s honking their horns.
• &#8226; Nobody is yelling out the car, &#8216;hey kids. Get out the street.&#8217; Nobody is making any wrong turns to get around us so, we didn&#8217;t feel like we was causing any harm to anyone.
• &#8226; we&#8217;re both headed home and the officer&#8217;s approaching us and as he pulled up on the side of us, he didn&#8217;t say &#8216;freeze, halt&#8217; or nothing like we were committing a crime.
• &#8226; He said, &#8216;get the eff on the sidewalk.&#8217; More like chastising from a father or something, where you are doing something wrong, you know, not committing a crime.
• &#8226; my friend Big Mike didn&#8217;t speak
• &#8226; I told the officer that we were a minute away from our destination and that we would be out the street shortly.
• &#8226; we proceeded to walk again because we thought the officer proceeded to drive because we felt like we were doing no wrong.
• &#8226; we heard gears. I don&#8217;t want to say his gears, but we heard the switch in the direction he was going. Because, when he stepped on the gas pedal, and reversed. His tires made a screeching noise and, if we didn&#8217;t hear the tires, we may would have been hit by the rear of the vehicle.
• &#8226; we stepped back just in time
• &#8226; he is at an angle where we are so close to his door and him,
• &#8226; that when he tries to thrust the door open aggressively, it doesn&#8217;t come an inch out before it strikes both of us.
• &#8226; He is a larger man than me, so it hit (Mike) more than it hit me, but we both felt it and instantly closed back on the officer.
• &#8226; I guess he felt he couldn&#8217;t get out, his arm extended out the window, grabbed my friend around the neck.
• &#8226; He didn&#8217;t say step back or anything like that.
• &#8226; He started to pull my friend into the window, as if we was trying to pull him through the window now.
• &#8226; he&#8217;s angry because anybody would be angry if someone was putting their hands on their throat.
• &#8226; he has an angry face but he is never trying to go towards the officer so much that he pulls away from him.
• &#8226; I am standing not feet away, not even inches away, an inch away from everything that is happening while it&#8217;s happening.
• &#8226; can see inside the window at the officer&#8217;s face that he is making.
• &#8226; can hear his verbal threats that he is making towards my friend.
• &#8226; my friend is not making any verbal threats, threating his life but he is using profanity as &#8216;let me the eff go. We didn&#8217;t do anything wrong. Get the eff off me.&#8217;
• &#8226; he never once attempted to grab for this officer&#8217;s weapon.
• &#8226; He never once attempted to hit the officer or pull the officer out of the car like the officer was trying to pull him inside the car.
• &#8226; I heard &#8216;I&#8217;ll shoot. Imma shoot you.&#8217;
• &#8226; I am so close to the window that I don&#8217;t even have to lift up to see what he is holding in his hand.
• &#8226; he is already, he is still holding my friend with one arm, and now with the other hand, he is pointing his weapon.
• &#8226; The second time he says, &#8216;I&#8217;ll shoot,&#8217; it wasn&#8217;t even a second later when the gun went off.
• &#8226; my friend was hit.
• &#8226; I looked at my friend and I seen the blood.
• &#8226; it was almost like the officer was in shock, because when my friend got shot, that was the
• &#8226; time he let go. He never let him go from the time he first initially grabbed him until the first shot went off and the officer let go.
• &#8226; that is how we were able to run at the same time.
• &#8226; his vehicle is parked in a way that both lanes are blocked.
• &#8226; the cars are here &#8211; three vehicles lined up
• &#8226; first car I see, I duck behind for cover because I fear for my life.
• &#8226; I don&#8217;t understand why this officer is shooting his weapon at us
• &#8226; (was officer still shooting) No, I felt like the officer is in shock because we were running for two minutes or not that much
• &#8226; I knew the officer immediately got out of his car
• &#8226; he said, &#8216;keep running, bro.&#8217; and, he kept running past me
• &#8226; I tried to get a gain on it and I stood up as best as I could, as far as I could
• &#8226; I am watching the officer and he is pursuing my friend now.
• &#8226; I still feel like he was in shock because I am standing in plain sight, but it&#8217;s like his vision is not on me, anger is not at me.
• &#8226; He is going directly for my friend and his weapon is drawn.
• &#8226; it wasn&#8217;t a second after he passed me, he fired another shot.
• &#8226; It struck my friend in the back.
• &#8226; my friend stopped running because he felt the second shot
• &#8226; first one I felt like he was in shock.
• &#8226; second shot hit him and he felt it
• &#8226; His hand immediately went in the air
• &#8226; he turned around to the officer, face-to-face.
• &#8226; He started to tell the officer that he is unarmed and that you should stop shooting me.
• &#8226; Before he can get his second sentence out, the officer shot several more shots into head and his chest area.
• &#8226; He fell dramatically in the fetal position.
• &#8226; I begged and pleaded the car that I was hiding behind to just put me in their car and drive off anywhere. I don&#8217;t care where you drop me off at.
• &#8226; I understand why they pulled off.
• &#8226; when I couldn&#8217;t see nobody else, I just took off running as fast as I could and I didn&#8217;t stop.
• &#8226; I did not hear once he yell &#8216;freeze, stop, or halt.&#8217; Nothing or anything like that
• &#8226; He has been struck and he is still aware to tell me, &#8216;I can see you. Go. Keep going.
• &#8226; he is trying to tell the officer that he is unarmed
• &#8226; he knew he was being shot and trying to tell (the officer) to stop shooting him.
• &#8226; He couldn&#8217;t feel the shots
• &#8226; he continuously shooting him at point-blank range.
• &#8226; I said, begged the people in the car that I was taking cover behind to let me in so I could get to a safe location as fast as I could.
• &#8226; After they denied me, I took it upon myself to get out of the situation after I snapped back into reality. I just took off running
• &#8226; What was the officer doing? I was trying to get to a safe spot. So, I was more trying to get away from the officer then trying to see where he&#8217;s going.
• &#8226; when I returned to the scene, not three or four minutes after, I saw the police car he was in &#8211; the truck &#8211; but I did not see the officer anymore.
• &#8226; No paramedics came.
• &#8226; The officer didn&#8217;t at no point in time get on his dispatch to call for backup.
• &#8226; I cannot describe the officer unless I saw him again.
• &#8226; He didn&#8217;t say anything. He didn&#8217;t turn around. He didn&#8217;t look for me. He didn&#8217;t say anything, I just ran.
• &#8226; when they (MB family ) arrived on the scene, the officers that were out there at the time didn&#8217;t know what was going on and didn&#8217;t know what happened.
• &#8226; they was not giving the family a comfort level to calm them or ease them a little, because they didn&#8217;t know.
• &#8226; The officer was not around.
• &#8226; Like an hour or two later family found out MB was dead
• &#8226; First shot I knew he was shot because I seen the blood splatter. And I seen it splatter on his right up under his right wing. So I just knew he was hit.
• &#8226; Why haven&#8217;t you talked to anybody? No one has contacted me. No one has said &#8216;hey, we are looking for you. We want you. You are the prime suspect,&#8217; or nothing like that. I understand it has been a lot on their hands. But, in a situation like this, you want to get that under quickly.
• &#8226; The county police never called you? They haven&#8217;t contacted me personally. No.
• &#8226; They said that they called lots of times and left messages for you, but you have not received any of those messages? I have received messages that they have contacted and wanted to set up and talk to me, but when we tried to reach out to them, at the time there was a lot going on and the chief just couldn&#8217;t find the time to do it at the moment.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

humm the compostion of grand jury is 7 white 5 black cnn

just another angle to incite if it does not go the way people thaink it should

This was posted last night by CHERIE.T

CHERIE.T
CHERIE.T Registered User

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5701455.html


Grand Jury
'There are three black people on the grand jury, one man and two women. The rest of the jury comprises six white men and three white women. The demographics of the jury roughly coincide with the racial makeup of St. Louis County itself, which is 68 percent white and 24 percent black. But race has already played a major role in this case, as it has garnered international attention and sparked conversation about racial discrimination and inequality prompting demonstrators to protest nationwide.'

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[AuburnTxTiger]

IMO, someone definately provoked someone else, starting an altercation which ended up in the tragedy that happened. Why would MB start out provoking Officer Wilson?
1. Police officer - black males are taught to be careful around police officers, MB's father himself said on Anderson Cooper that he had many conversations with MB about how to deal with police officers, b/c of MB's size and stature (PO's would think he is older than he actually was).
2. He had stolen merchandise - why would he want to provoke OW and risk being caught with the stolen merchandise?

IDK, it just doesn't add up to me.
JMO.

I am trying to understand why MB would be blocking traffic by walking down the middle of the street and then refusing to get on the sidewalk when LE asked him to. And all this happened within 10 minutes of the video of MB strong armed robbery of the store.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

BBM

I agree. Maybe it will turn out, in the end, that legally Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. But what about morally? I still think that OW provoked MB, in the least, verbally. As I said in another post, we don't know what it's like to be a Black male (unless you are one). We don't know what it would feel like to be "spoken down" to, if that is what happened. Of course, OW is not going to say, yes, I spoke down to him because he's a Black (maybe that's what was in his mind).


LOL the part about Bieber!

JMO.

In my opinion, no one no matter what color his or her skin is, is ever justified in showing disrespect to LE.

 

[DebinGA]

A theme running through certain posts seems to be that we shouldn't be making inferences or connecting-dots using yet unproven bits of information. For instance, the several quotes from Brown family lawyer Daryl Parks re what occurred between MB and DW "at the car" shouldn't be given any weight because they haven't been proven in a court of law? I don't know why others are here, but I enjoy the "sleuthing" aspect of solving a mystery by tying together and discarding bit of information with others as things roll along. If all we're allowed to do is post and read links, but draw no conclusions together about them, I don't see the point ... or the fun.