MO MO - Jessica Runions, 21, Kansas City, 8 Sept 2016 #2

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:welcome3: Glad to have you join us, wish it was under better circumstances! Your theories and thoughts are just as important as anyone else's! The mods are great here! Don't be afraid to post, and if a post does get snipped, or deleted, don't take it personally. To keep things from going completely out of control as you've seen on some FB pages, there are rules here. Someone will come along and post a link to them. :welcome3:
 
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My question, assuming he is a sociopath/psychopath is what would likely be the method of hiding a body. I am actively searching when I can, but with just the burned car location as a target, I think that area is cleared. Where should I be looking and for what? Obviously a body, but what? Buried, hidden under brush, dumped in a river? Close to home, somewhere meaningful to him? What? Profile this guy as best you can and that might give me and others some guidance.

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I think he strangled her, and possibly beat her to death, depending on how enraged he was.

In Kara's case there is an outstanding rumorclue about an abandoned house he frequented back then, which was found to have graffiti consistent with other drawings or markings he has made since and separately (making it easier to attribute them to him). The belief is she was buried or stowed in the basement of that house. Unfortunately, I am not sure you will get much further than the prior PI team that searched it as they weren't able to get the floor up etc but did get a cadaver dog hit. My point is, I do think he may have put Jessica in the same place as Kara, because Kara has never been found - why risk a new spot?
In all the cases I've ever followed, the ones that aren't found for a really long time are buried or in the earth somehow (in a ravine, at the base of an impossible cliff etc). While the rumors about his cousin and their hog farm follow Ky all over SM, that would involve conspiracy and dismemberment, both of which leave a very detectable trace. No, I think he went somewhere familiar and he concealed her the best he could. I guess if I were there with you (I and I wish I could be - I think about Jessica every day and wish I could do more for her family) I would go searching the creek area out by 87th near grandpas.
 
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Snipped for brevityI think he strangled her, and possibly beat her to death, depending on how enraged he was.In Kara's case there is an outstanding rumorclue about an abandoned house he frequented back then, which was found to have graffiti consistent with other drawings or markings he has made since and separately (making it easier to attribute them to him). The belief is she was buried or stowed in the basement of that house. Unfortunately, I am not sure you will get much further than the prior PI team that searched it as they weren't able to get the floor up etc but did get a cadaver dog hit. My point is, I do think he may have put Jessica in the same place as Kara, because Kara has never been found - why risk a new spot?In all the cases I've ever followed, the ones that aren't found for a really long time are buried or in the earth somehow (in a ravine, at the base of an impossible cliff etc). While the rumors about his cousin and their hog farm follow Ky all over SM, that would involve conspiracy and dismemberment, both of which leave a very detectable trace. No, I think he went somewhere familiar and he concealed her the best he could. I guess if I were there with you (I and I wish I could be - I think about Jessica every day and wish I could do more for her family) I would go searching the creek area out by 87th near grandpas.
Do you know the address of the house you are talking about?
 
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Do you know the address of the house you are talking about?

It's on the Case Map (not the actually address but I have marked the location, the animal footprint marked as cadaver dog hit)
 
  • #366
Or maybe none of that. Maybe she thought of him as a friend and she was being nice and taking him to the party, because she's a really sweet and caring girl. Maybe he is just a piece of jealous shiit and he killed her because he can't have her.
I think that regardless of the other hows or whys behind this case and Kara's, rejection and the ultimate idea that "if I can't have you no one else will either" are central here. He may have had other motives (anger issues, anniversary of something, whatever else) but I think that it's obvious now that he has some very serious issues with rejection and abandonment that drive him to be jealous and possessive in an extreme way.
 
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I think that regardless of the other hows or whys behind this case and Kara's, rejection and the ultimate idea that "if I can't have you no one else will either" are central here. He may have had other motives (anger issues, anniversary of something, whatever else) but I think that it's obvious now that he has some very serious issues with rejection and abandonment that drive him to be jealous and possessive in an extreme way.
i agree. I just think the focus needs to be taken of Jessica's action and put on his. She didn't ask to be murdered I'm sure.
 
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It's on the Case Map (not the actually address but I have marked the location, the animal footprint marked as cadaver dog hit)
Thank you. I didn't realize that was on there. Looking now. :)
 
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i agree. I just think the focus needs to be taken of Jessica's action and put on his. She didn't ask to be murdered I'm sure.

you're absolutely right - for me at least, when I am considering her living arrangement or poential boyfriend woes, etc it is purely to figure out how she may have reacted to KY, whether she would have gone with him somewhere willingly, etc. She did no wrong here - we all make crappy choices in life and have a questionable friend or two at some point. From everything I've learned, she was a very kind and bright person, which sounds exactly like the kind of girl KY targets. It was HIS friends they were with, HIS intoxication and outbursts that started things going south, and his actions afterwards that set this all in motion.
 
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How much of Mt Olivet Cemetery is undeveloped and is it fenced?
 
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you're absolutely right - for me at least, when I am considering her living arrangement or poential boyfriend woes, etc it is purely to figure out how she may have reacted to KY, whether she would have gone with him somewhere willingly, etc. She did no wrong here - we all make crappy choices in life and have a questionable friend or two at some point. From everything I've learned, she was a very kind and bright person, which sounds exactly like the kind of girl KY targets. It was HIS friends they were with, HIS intoxication and outbursts that started things going south, and his actions afterwards that set this all in motion.
Well, we at least know one part of that. She picked him up for and later drove him away from the party.... willingly. By her own choice. I don't think HER motivation is relevant, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Scout87 and Vail and everybody else. There's not much happening on here due mostly I guess because the closed case file. I also am a member of one of the f.b. groups concerning J.R. I understand why this group has the limitations on content now, after spending a few days in the other group. Very different. If you take all the people, friends, enemies, relatives neighbors used to knows and friends of friends, then assumed everything said by everyone was factual and true, you would conclude that there must have been busses waiting outside the party to take all the supposed players involved to act their parts in this missing person event. They would have gone every direction imaginable working non-stop for days to accomplish everything that was done. This is not a knock on anyone, but again I've reached the conclusion that the websleuths way is not bad. It's sometimes fascinating over there, but the forest gets in the way of the trees😁. I do have a point. There seems to be some very bright and intelligent folks here. I'd like some of you to run with the sociopath and psychopath profiles and let out a little more line, if you could. I assume strangulation would be c.o.d. Just my opinion from background. My question, assuming he is a sociopath/psychopath is what would likely be the method of hiding a body. I am actively searching when I can, but with just the burned car location as a target, I think that area is cleared. Where should I be looking and for what? Obviously a body, but what? Buried, hidden under brush, dumped in a river? Close to home, somewhere meaningful to him? What? Profile this guy as best you can and that might give me and others some guidance.
Ok, I tend to ramble so I apologize in advance if this gets too wordy :) I also follow a couple of FB groups on this case. Well, actually it’s been whittled down to one due to people acting like crazy morons. These cases tend to draw the crazies out the woodwork, whether they are people who just want attention or those who want some sort of notoriety for solving the case. Just…ugh. No thank you. I don’t deal with that nonsense and like you said, they often have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees. I do think that KY has an entrenched network of people who support him, but if you start reading all that stuff it begins to sound very Texas chainsaw massacre-ish and I don’t think that’s what this case is. I think this is one guy who has very serious abandonment/rejection/jealousy issues with a shot of bipolar and ptsd topped off with antisocial personality disorder. Bad combination no matter which way you spin it. Now, to answer the second half of your post. I too think that strangulation was the method just based on his past actions with girlfriends. But where is she? I don’t think that we can necessarily just look at sociopaths or psychopaths as to how he would hide a body. Many of the notorious serial killers -- Bundy, Ridgeway, Gacy, Dahmer, etc--each had their own specific way of hiding their victims. Bundy and Ridgeway are two I can think of who were fairly similar, in fact Bundy helped LE pin down Ridgeway because their methods were so similar. A lot of these serial killers victims were hid in the woods, along the road, creek or riverbeds. Gacy buried his. These guys were also psychopaths and very skilled in what they were doing. They avoided capture for a very long time. KY on the other hand, I think is a sociopath which means he’s more spontaneous as opposed to meticulous like the psychopaths tend to be. I don’t think he plans out the when/how/where/why he’s going to kill as someone like Bundy did so it’s likely that Jessica is somewhere that he knew well and she may actually not be hidden all that well. Then again, as Kara’s been missing for so long, it’s possible she may be buried. Then again, the right areas just may not have been searched yet. Regardless, I would say that if you are going to look for Jessica you should start with places that KY might have known well. Areas around his home, or close to it…Even areas that might be thirty minutes away…If he knew it well, and there were secluded places few people knew about or frequented, it’s possible that JR might be there. Longview Lake keeps coming to mind for whatever reason, as does Brush Creek. I’ve got a list somewhere of some other places I thought should be searched. And I think that if Jessica is found, Kara will be with her. I’ll do some more research and see what I can come up with to help you but for now, I would advise places near his home. Also, places in the opposite direction of where the car was found on Blue River Road. I think it was burned in that area as a means to throw people off. But it’s also entirely possible he hid her near the Blue River. I think it’s all a matter of getting into his head, creepy as that is. If we were KY, where would we go?
 
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His attitude in the one video getting into the police car reminded me of Peterson....Stacey still hasn't been found either! Wondering if KY had access to a barrel? Any neighbor missing a water barrel? Is there any area that is the 'local dump'? An area of woods that locals tend to throw mattresses, tires, etc instead of taking to the landfill? Speaking of landfills, any local businesses that would have a large dumpster? Unless he knew the schedule of when they are dumped, risky to put her in a dumpster, but it's happened in cases before. Sadly I feel she probably was in the trunk of her own vehicle while it was at his Grandpa's. Wouldn't surprise me to find out he drove her vehicle to work that day, with her still in it! If the :rumor: are true, and he was told to leave work, he probably wasn't there long and coworkers wouldn't have noticed anything. The only thing, if he didn't put her somewhere soon after death, rigor mortis would occur and depending on the environment and temps, decomposition would start occurring. The odors would not be pleasant.
He reminded me of Peterson too in that video. I think though that Peterson was more meticulous and thought out his crimes, but that smug attitude was definitely the same. Creepy. I tend to think that whatever he did with her, he did it very soon in the early hours of Friday morning, though I've also considered that Jessica may have been in the back of that car until he moved it on Friday afternoon after 3. He was texting someone else by around two am though, I think looking for an alibi. I haven't noticed anything like a local dump, I've used Google Earth quite a bit with this case just trying to find areas that she might be but I haven't seen anything like that. I can look again though, I wasn't specifically looking for that before so it's possible I overlooked it.
 
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This is such a horrible case. It makes me so angry. Isn't there a team, something like Texas Equnox, may have the name wrong, who at the request of anyone involved in the case, will bring out their search expertise?
 
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I think they have helped find several missing people and they've been involved in some pretty high profile cases as well, Caylee Anthony for example. Have they ever done any searches for Kara? She's listed on their site as a missing person case, but I can't find anything definitive on whether or not they were ever called in. Maybe they could be helpful in finding Jessica?
 
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I don't think Jessica is anywhere near Kara.
 
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I believe family or LE have to request Texas Equusearch's assistance, if I remember correctly, and there are other specifics too like have specific perimeters to search in or an idea pinpointed where to look. It's been a while so don't quote me but it's a good thought if family sees your suggestion maybe they can ask for their assistance.

I think they have helped find several missing people and they've been involved in some pretty high profile cases as well, Caylee Anthony for example. Have they ever done any searches for Kara? She's listed on their site as a missing person case, but I can't find anything definitive on whether or not they were ever called in. Maybe they could be helpful in finding Jessica?
 
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Being completely drunk out of your mind will also dialate your pupils until all you see is pupil, and no iris eye color. I've seen that first hand and it's freaky.
I've seen that too, it is freaky. Also if I remember right, some of the medication seen on the floor in the photos of the trailer where KY was arrested were antihistamines or some kind of allergy medicine, which can also dilate the pupils.
 
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