MO MO - Jessica Runions, 21, Kansas City, 8 Sept 2016 #2

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  • #381
My question, assuming he is a sociopath/psychopath is what would likely be the method of hiding a body. I am actively searching when I can, but with just the burned car location as a target, I think that area is cleared. Where should I be looking and for what? Obviously a body, but what? Buried, hidden under brush, dumped in a river? Close to home, somewhere meaningful to him? What? Profile this guy as best you can and that might give me and others some guidance.
I wanted to edit my last post in response to this but it was too late. I'm linking a map that think is important in attempting to decipher where KY may have gone and the path he took between his various activities on Thursday and Friday. It includes three locations: Grandpa's house at 8735 Crescent Avenue in KCMO, Jackson Avenue in Grandview where the party took place, and Blue River Road near 95th where the car was burned. I know the case map on here has these locations, but this one has helped me narrow down those three. Longview Lake automatically jumps out at me on the map. https://goo.gl/maps/DNxHeBH5gFF2
 
  • #382
Would Indian creek be a possibility or is that too far??

Or gambol tract park!? Looks like a log of trees

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  • #383
Would Indian creek be a possibility or is that too far?? Or gambol tract park!? Looks like a log of trees Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I can't seem to find that park on any map so I can't tell you anything about it but I think that Indian Creek is a definite possibility. I looked it up and it is one of three major tributaries of the Blue River, along with Tomahawk Creek and Brush Creek. The Blue River runs through Johnson County, KS and Jackson County, Missouri. So then I mapped it with Google, and wouldn't you know...See on the map I've attached, you'll see Bannister Road running across the top. Below it, Indian Creek flowing into the Blue River. And adjacent to that, a ball park, across the street from the location of Jessica's burned car. https://goo.gl/maps/jv9edKWXFu42
 
  • #384
I always think people do things in triangle formation. So from party to car is two points. Cut that distance in half and go west or east to determine the 3rd point. Then give yourself about a 2 mile radius around that 3rd point and search those two areas. That's how I'd start.
 
  • #385
How much of Mt Olivet Cemetery is undeveloped and is it fenced?

Did this ever get answered? It got me thinking of Forrest Hill Cemetary, and I am just brainstorming here so don't chisel this in stone, but there are a ton of mosuleums in FHC that are abandoned, or have been broken into and nothe repaired. One in particular is completely open but still has a few doors on the tombs inside. I have not been to Olivet so I'm not sure if it is anywhere near the same but they are only 4 miles apart and in a not so great area. I have a picture of the mosuleum that got me thinking about this but I'm not sure how to post pictures. Anyway, probably a long shot.
 
  • #386
Did this ever get answered? It got me thinking of Forrest Hill Cemetary, and I am just brainstorming here so don't chisel this in stone, but there are a ton of mosuleums in FHC that are abandoned, or have been broken into and nothe repaired. One in particular is completely open but still has a few doors on the tombs inside. I have not been to Olivet so I'm not sure if it is anywhere near the same but they are only 4 miles apart and in a not so great area. I have a picture of the mosuleum that got me thinking about this but I'm not sure how to post pictures. Anyway, probably a long shot.
Yes, I've never been in that area personally so I can't say for sure, but Google Earth shows a good map of it and it looks very open and accessible, like anyone could go in at night and do whatever they wanted. No gates or closed off paths that I can see.
 
  • #387
Also, sorry if that was too morbid, I have just been thinking of any possible place. KY does not seem so smart that he could keep 2 different girls missing so the only thing I can think of is just a place where no one would think to look but is also not difficult to get to.
 
  • #388
Also, sorry if that was too morbid, I have just been thinking of any possible place. KY does not seem so smart that he could keep 2 different girls missing so the only thing I can think of is just a place where no one would think to look but is also not difficult to get to.
Have there been any diving teams assist in search? What if he did like Peterson and hide in water weighted down? Maybe location isn't necessarily how he has hid them but his method.

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  • #389
I am a little over 2 hours away and the news coverage has not been spectacular so I am not sure if they have searched any water.
 
  • #390
I always think people do things in triangle formation. So from party to car is two points. Cut that distance in half and go west or east to determine the 3rd point. Then give yourself about a 2 mile radius around that 3rd point and search those two areas. That's how I'd start.
Ok, if I did this like you meant...I removed the grandfather's house and focused only on the party and the location of the car...then went halfway between. On one side is Jerry Darter Park, the other Gambil Tract Park that someone had asked about earlier but I couldn't find anywhere. Jerry Darter Park is pretty wooded but if you zoom in, and take your path up Hillcrest Rd to E 103rd St, there's a gravel looking pull-off type area. It leads toward a more secluded looking pond area that really looks like it may not have much attention paid to it as it's covered in algae. Gambil Tract Park on the other hand is very wooded and doesn't seem to have many open places, but it does look like it has a creek running through it. https://goo.gl/maps/gxfDq8EMekr
 
  • #391
Also, sorry if that was too morbid, I have just been thinking of any possible place. KY does not seem so smart that he could keep 2 different girls missing so the only thing I can think of is just a place where no one would think to look but is also not difficult to get to.
It was good thinking...I think it's time to go outside the box here like you did with the cemetery idea. So far as much as I can tell, the same areas are being searched....near the area of the car, woods near there, etc...I haven't heard of anyone searching (unless it's on their own) halfway between the party and the car, or the Longview Lake area which I think needs to be looked at, or other areas around those points. I feel like she's right under our noses, she's close, but we just have to think a little outside the box and look at areas beyond where we KNOW he went. We know for sure he was at the party, he burned the car near Bannister Rd, and went to Grandpas house. I think looking between those areas and seeing where he might have gone is the starting point now. There is some possibility that Jessica was in the back of the car while it was sitting in the grandfather's driveway until Friday afternoon, but I think it's also very possible that he placed her wherever she is between midnight when they left the party and two am when he started texting other people, I think in attempt to form an alibi. He was drunk, yes, but how that affected him beyond his temper we don't really know for sure. He could be totally functioning just very mean and agitated as a drunk. I've also said the same as you, how can a guy who seems so unorganized and not really all there, be so skilled in hiding these girls in places that no one can find. This has been one of the most frustrating cases just because of that...Where are these poor girls? Again, I feel they are close, we just haven't pinpointed the right area.
 
  • #392
It was good thinking...I think it's time to go outside the box here like you did with the cemetery idea. So far as much as I can tell, the same areas are being searched....near the area of the car, woods near there, etc...I haven't heard of anyone searching (unless it's on their own) halfway between the party and the car, or the Longview Lake area which I think needs to be looked at, or other areas around those points. I feel like she's right under our noses, she's close, but we just have to think a little outside the box and look at areas beyond where we KNOW he went. We know for sure he was at the party, he burned the car near Bannister Rd, and went to Grandpas house. I think looking between those areas and seeing where he might have gone is the starting point now. There is some possibility that Jessica was in the back of the car while it was sitting in the grandfather's driveway until Friday afternoon, but I think it's also very possible that he placed her wherever she is between midnight when they left the party and two am when he started texting other people, I think in attempt to form an alibi. He was drunk, yes, but how that affected him beyond his temper we don't really know for sure. He could be totally functioning just very mean and agitated as a drunk. I've also said the same as you, how can a guy who seems so unorganized and not really all there, be so skilled in hiding these girls in places that no one can find. This has been one of the most frustrating cases just because of that...Where are these poor girls? Again, I feel they are close, we just haven't pinpointed the right area.

I agree, I feel like they are close as well. I also feel like he has gotten away with all of this purely on dumb luck, he just happened to put evidence (or god forbid, people) somewhere that no one has happened to stumble across yet.

I was reading along where people are saying he could be a socio/psychopath and that he has stated he has bipolar disorder. I found this [h=2]Differential Diagnosis[/h][FONT=&quot]There are diagnostic rule-outs for the clinician to consider, In the DSM -5, disorders such as[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, as well as substance abuse disorders should be considered. Even very violent offenders may not be sociopaths, but sociopathy may be considered on a continuum, rather than a dichotomy of present or absent.

here: http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Antisocial-Personality-Disorder-DSM--5-301.7-(F60.2)

I don't know what he is but he comes off as obsessive and narcissistic. I hate that every murdering lunatic says they have bipolar disorder, it seems like the go to excuse for all of them, however I have a hard time reconciling his obsessive "love" with a sociopath. I thought that they usually only formed emotional bonds when they were gaining something from the person (money, housing, etc) but I could be confusing that with psychopathy. His pictures remind me of every emo kid in high school and that terrifies me because he probably does come off as damaged but harmless to people who have not seen him have a temper flare. Anyway, I am just rambling out loud. I have been pouring over this for so long with no one to talk it over with! [/FONT]
 
  • #393
I agree, I feel like they are close as well. I also feel like he has gotten away with all of this purely on dumb luck, he just happened to put evidence (or god forbid, people) somewhere that no one has happened to stumble across yet. I was reading along where people are saying he could be a socio/psychopath and that he has stated he has bipolar disorder. I found this [h=2]Differential Diagnosis[/h][FONT=&quot]There are diagnostic rule-outs for the clinician to consider, In the DSM -5, disorders such as[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, as well as substance abuse disorders should be considered. Even very violent offenders may not be sociopaths, but sociopathy may be considered on a continuum, rather than a dichotomy of present or absent. here: http://www.theravive.com/therapedia/Antisocial-Personality-Disorder-DSM--5-301.7-(F60.2) I don't know what he is but he comes off as obsessive and narcissistic. I hate that every murdering lunatic says they have bipolar disorder, it seems like the go to excuse for all of them, however I have a hard time reconciling his obsessive "love" with a sociopath. I thought that they usually only formed emotional bonds when they were gaining something from the person (money, housing, etc) but I could be confusing that with psychopathy. His pictures remind me of every emo kid in high school and that terrifies me because he probably does come off as damaged but harmless to people who have not seen him have a temper flare. Anyway, I am just rambling out loud. I have been pouring over this for so long with no one to talk it over with! [/FONT]
I agree, a lot of what he's gotten away with isn't because he's some kind of super-skilled genius. It's pure dumb luck, but then again I also think he may be smarter than what he's been given credit for. He's somehow been able to perplex everyone for a very long time, which is probably part of why he slipped up this time. He probably figured if he could get away with it before why not a second time. There are a lot of things to consider with him. I tend to think he's a sociopath just based on my own researching out of curiosity and what I've known before this, but I've also considered it may be something along the lines of borderline personality or narcissistic personality disorder. I'm not set in stone with one particular idea. I wish I had more time to really sit down and profile him a little bit better. I'd read a couple nights ago about the differential diagnosis...my problem when I start researching things is that I'll read something within that research that sparks my curiosity and then I'm off on something most likely entirely unrelated to what I started trying to find :) I'm easily distracted, so I will have to look more into that to know really what you're talking about. I've also read a few things where some psychologists believe that we should just stop referring to people as narcissists, sociopaths, borderline personalities, etc, that they are all essentially psychopaths. So...ugh. If the psychologists can't agree how is anyone supposed to know lol. He definitely does come across as obsessive and it's pretty obvious to me that he's got a high opinion of himself. I think I've said it in this thread, but the video where he's being transported back to Jackson County and the reporter comments on his face...his demeanor completely changes...He starts off seeming kind of soft-spoken and trying to be nice. Then the guy insults his face and throughout the rest of the questioning he's flippant and smart-mouthing back at the guy. Which, I'd think a really smart person might try to at least pretend to be upset that his friend was missing or possibly murdered. If he wanted to appear innocent, I'd think that's what he'd do but he was so focused on that perceived insult about his face...So, I'd say narcissism definitely plays a part. I'd have to research more on all this though to know all the different clinical definitions and such. I hope this all makes some sort of sense. It is nice to be able to come here and have someone to talk this over with like you said...I'm not sure why but this case has caught my interest unlike any other has in a long time and no one I know really seems interested in it.
 
  • #394
Is grandpa's home on the case map? Wonder how much land he owes. I would start searching there if I was local and got permission. What about the river he threw the kitties into?
 
  • #395
Is grandpa's home on the case map? Wonder how much land he owes. I would start searching there if I was local and got permission. What about the river he threw the kitties into?

I have an RV in a park in Warsaw. I'm not a map guy but if a map was done from grampa's house in KC to where he was arrested, I believe Truman Dam and Lake is on the way.

JMO
 
  • #396
Is grandpa's home on the case map? Wonder how much land he owes. I would start searching there if I was local and got permission. What about the river he threw the kitties into?
I believe the home is on the case map...8735 Crescent Ave, KCMO accroding to news articles and the search warrant that's out there. It's a residential/developed area, there's some farm land around that area but I don't think grandpa owns any...but there's no knowing unless you wanted to dig through deeds records and such online to know how much land he might own somewhere else. Now, the arrest for the kittens took place around 99th and Locust, which Locust was also the location of the apartment complex where KY lived with his girlfriend who took out a restraining order against him for strangling her. I looked it up, and Indian Creek runs right through there, which I also answered someone else on here about the location of Indian Creek...It's a tributary and runs off the Blue River right across form the location of the burned car. http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...se-claims-that-kylr-yust-killed-three-kittens Location of Indian Creek in connection to the abused/killed kittens charges: https://goo.gl/maps/65dC47NouBm
 
  • #397
Is grandpa's home on the case map? Wonder how much land he owes. I would start searching there if I was local and got permission. What about the river he threw the kitties into?

Yes. They are both on the case map.
 
  • #398
I believe the home is on the case map...8735 Crescent Ave, KCMO accroding to news articles and the search warrant that's out there. It's a residential/developed area, there's some farm land around that area but I don't think grandpa owns any...but there's no knowing unless you wanted to dig through deeds records and such online to know how much land he might own somewhere else. Now, the arrest for the kittens took place around 99th and Locust, which Locust was also the location of the apartment complex where KY lived with his girlfriend who took out a restraining order against him for strangling her. I looked it up, and Indian Creek runs right through there, which I also answered someone else on here about the location of Indian Creek...It's a tributary and runs off the Blue River right across form the location of the burned car. http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...se-claims-that-kylr-yust-killed-three-kittens Location of Indian Creek in connection to the abused/killed kittens charges: https://goo.gl/maps/65dC47NouBm

Thank you! Wish that ex could tell us where he threw the kitties in the river at. Very interesting location of Indian Creek indeed. On your map link, I see that pond as well bottom left behind E. 101st and I zoomed in very close. The pond looks to be hidden behind those trees with no entrance, however, on zooming you can see what appears to be a driveway coming off E. 101st into the pond with no houses visible and imagery states 2016.
 
  • #399
I really don't think KY is a person that would put two bodies in the same area. I think he'd keep them VERY far apart.
 
  • #400
Ok, if I did this like you meant...I removed the grandfather's house and focused only on the party and the location of the car...then went halfway between. On one side is Jerry Darter Park, the other Gambil Tract Park that someone had asked about earlier but I couldn't find anywhere. Jerry Darter Park is pretty wooded but if you zoom in, and take your path up Hillcrest Rd to E 103rd St, there's a gravel looking pull-off type area. It leads toward a more secluded looking pond area that really looks like it may not have much attention paid to it as it's covered in algae. Gambil Tract Park on the other hand is very wooded and doesn't seem to have many open places, but it does look like it has a creek running through it. https://goo.gl/maps/gxfDq8EMekr
Thanks for indulging me. I haven't had the chance to map out this theory so I'm glad you did.

I also wanted to give my other theory but I arrived at work and had to stop writing.

That is, wherever the car was found, go about that far away from it (compared to the party) in other drivable directions and see what's there (like spider legs). He might only go 1/2 as far in the exact opposite direction, however.

Just some thoughts.
 
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