Found Deceased MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found*

[waldojabba]

Judgment on Dissolution
JUDGMENT AND DECREE OF DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE GRANTED. THERE IS 5 UNEMANCIPATED CHILD(REN) BORN OF THIS MARRIAGE. PETITIONER AND RESPONDENT TO SHARE JOINT LEGAL AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF THE MINOR CHILD(REN). PETITIONER IS ORDERED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT IN THE AMOUNT OF $4000.00 PER MONTH FOR THE (#) CHILD(REN) IN THIS SAID ORDER. THE COURT ORDERS THE PROVISIONS OF PARENTING PLAN PART A PERTAINING TO CUSTODY. THE COURT ORDERS THE PROVISIONS OF PARENTING PLAN PART B PERTAINING TO SUPPORT. PETITIONER IS ORDERED TO PAY RESPONDENT THE SUM OF $1000.00 PER MONTH AS AND FOR MAINTENANCE. THE PARTIES HAVE ENTERED INTO A SEPARATION AGREEMENT MARKED AS EXHIBIT 1 WHICH IS FOUND TO BE NOT UNCONSCIONABLE WITH LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE REAL PROPERTY OR PROPERTIES DIVIDED. COURT COSTS ARE TO BE PAID FROM THE COURT COST DEPOSITS PREVIOUSLY POSTED. SO ORDERED: JUDGE RENEE HARDIN-TAMMONSConsent Judgment

Great info. Do you have a link to the court site ? Thx

 

[al66pine]

Financial Position. The Judge's Order.

.... let's acknowledge that we have no clue as to the overall financial position of the Forsyth family...other than that there does appear to be some funds around them...
As for J, we don't know whether his bitcoin bonanza was closer to $1 million or $100 million.

snipped for focus @"?!? Thanks for your post and agreeing w you.
Yes, appears there are assets (more than loose change under sofa cushions ).
Yes, we don't know if the bitcoin was closer to $1 or $100 million.

My post was NOT intended to address the particular $ AMT the ct. ordered him to pay but to note a basic point about Dis/Mar proceedings generally.
If a couple cannot reach a (presumably, close-to "mutually agreeable") "division of prop & debt" themselves (or w counsel), a judge will issue an order for the division, based on the $ figures the parties provide to the court.

Some posters seemed to characterize payment amt. as inappropriate or maybe unfair. IDK, can only repeat that judges' orders are based on $ info the parties provide. Am agreeing w your comment that 'we' don't really know about the overall $ position.
imo

Welcoming correction or clarification, esp'ly by our legal professionals.

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BTW
Some posts called the payment "alimony" (referred to as "maintenance" in some MO. statutes, which I failed to mention in prior post) altho order specifically said it was "division of property & debt."

On what may be a technical point, as you & others may know, under MO. statute, they are different from one another.
In issuing a maintenance order, by statute,* a judge is to consider certain factors,* but in an order for D/P&D, a judge is to consider other factors.**

Also alimony (that term still used in that section) order may be subject to review by the court (later modification),*** whereas and a Div./Prop & Debt order is not (generally). ****

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Factors judge is to consider?
* "452.335. Maintenance order, findings required for — termination date, may be modified, when...." sbm

452.335

Maintenance order, findings required for — termination date, may be modified, when.

revisor.mo.gov

** "452.330. Disposition of property and debts, factors to be considered.

452.330

Disposition of property and debts, factors to be considered.

revisor.mo.gov

Modifying the order?
*** "452.110. Decree as to alimony only subject to review..." sbm still 'alimony' in that section.

452.110

Decree as to alimony only subject to review.

revisor.mo.gov

**** "452.330. Disposition of property and debts, factors to be considered...."sbm
"5. The court's order as it affects distribution of marital property shall be a final order not subject to modification...." sbm

452.330

Disposition of property and debts, factors to be considered.

revisor.mo.gov

 

[Lovequestions]

Great info. Do you have a link to the court site ? Thx

https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/nameSearch.do

 

[waldojabba]

https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/nameSearch.do

Thank you!

 

[neesaki]

At least one child was a young adult.

He sure got around.
His brother said that his fiancé was “the love of his life” (From the DM article) . But when he was married to his ex, mother of seven of his children, was she not the love of his life? I would imagine she was, at least for a number of years.

I just didn’t think too highly of that statement and honestly thought it inappropriate, considering he was married to his ex wife much longer than he even knew the fiance, and his own children are alive and do read the news!
Idk, seemed really insensitive and a bit cruel, IMO.

ETA: Yes, @Puzzles8 , brother is rather chatty isn’t he!

 

[Charlot123]

Question re Missouri requirements for doctor reporting their activities:

Is there a legal requirement for doctors to report any medical service or activity that they perform (regardless of location -- meaning outside of a hospital or office setting)?

Are they required to report any 'suspicious' activity or injury that they become aware of?

Seems there should be...and be available to LE.

Darn if you do and darn if you don’t, but I suspect, Hippocratic oath overrides. Your main goal is to help the patient. If the question is very complex, or ethics is involved, one could ask advice from the malpractice insurance company or even consult with a colleague on “a case”, not mentioning the name.

On the other hand, if there are gangs in the Ozarks, least of all would they be interested in killing one of the few ER doctors, because, give or take, who will they go to after the next shootout? JMO.

My next question would be, what if good Dr. failed to report the result of anyone’s criminal activity, but the victim was a minor, a vulnerable adult or a young woman? That is a very different situation.

 

[al66pine]

Ct. Order: Pay... "Until Death of Husband" Any Family Law practitioners around?

…. Really wonder what the first wife is really going through right now.
SUM OF $15,000.00 PER MONTH COMMENCING MAY 15, 2023 AND THE 15TH OF EACH MONTH THEREAFTER UNTIL FURTHER ORDER OF THIS COURT OR UNTIL THE REMARRIAGE OF WIFE OR DEATH OF HUSBAND.

Snipped for focus @nhmemorymaker Your underscored phrase--- "until death of husband" is a good point, if your point is --- seems like his former wife got "short-changed" in a manner of speaking because she may have received only one month's payment (or possibly none), because of that provision.

Court orders for a spouse 1 to --- make payments (however characterized) to spouse 2 until-spouse-2-remarries --- are not uncommon. Ditto, pay until further-order-of-court.
IDK about until-husband’s-death clause. Is it standard choice in Word template for prop. division order?
Did her atty argue against or object to the until-husband’s-death clause?

IOW HOW or WHY was that clause inserted in the Div/Prop & Debt order?
Calling any and all Family Law practitioners to weigh in. And others too.

I wonder if she held a life ins. policy on his life, to hedge against a verrry unlikely death at his age and general circumstance, a policy w that would pay $ comparable to the $ he was obligated to pay while alive.
Would the Dis/Mar. prompt a wife to buy a L. Ins policy? Would atty advise a soon-to-be former wife to buy such a policy?

Welcoming correction or clarification, esp’ly from our legal professionals.

NOT saying or even suggesting his former wife did anything nefarious. With Dr. F’s tragic death, regardless of its manner, seems she may have been “short-changed” financially due to circumstances beyond her control. She must be going thru a lot now.

And those children, left without their Father. Sad. Sad. Sad.

Imo.

 

[Teche]

He sure got around.
His brother said that his fiancé was “the love of his life” (From the DM article) . But when he was married to his ex, mother of seven of his children, was she not the love of his life? I would imagine she was, at least for a number of years.

I just didn’t think too highly of that statement and honestly thought it inappropriate, considering he was married to his ex wife much longer than he even knew the fiance, and his own children are alive and do read the news!
Idk, seemed really insensitive and a bit cruel, IMO.

ETA: Yes, @Puzzles8 , brother is rather chatty isn’t he!

Words like these can be so painful to children.

 

[Lovequestions]

He sure got around.
His brother said that his fiancé was “the love of his life” (From the DM article) . But when he was married to his ex, mother of seven of his children, was she not the love of his life? I would imagine she was, at least for a number of years.

I just didn’t think too highly of that statement and honestly thought it inappropriate, considering he was married to his ex wife much longer than he even knew the fiance, and his own children are alive and do read the news!
Idk, seemed really insensitive and a bit cruel, IMO.

ETA: Yes, @Puzzles8 , brother is rather chatty isn’t he!

He had a baby under a year old with his previous girlfriend . I don’t know how he had time for all his activities and his family too.

 

[Lovequestions]

The Great Physical Bitcoin Robbery

How do you steal bitcoin, when it's on a coin?

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[Lovequestions]

The Great Physical Bitcoin Robbery

How do you steal bitcoin, when it's on a coin?

www.vice.com

I think you will all find this interesting!

 

[al66pine]

June 2019. First Dis/Mar. May 2023, Second.

Judgment on Dissolution
JUDGMENT AND DECREE OF DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE GRANTED. THERE IS 5 UNEMANCIPATED CHILD(REN) BORN OF THIS MARRIAGE. PETITIONER AND RESPONDENT TO SHARE JOINT LEGAL AND PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF THE MINOR CHILD(REN). PETITIONER IS ORDERED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT IN THE AMOUNT OF $4000.00 PER MONTH FOR THE (#) CHILD(REN) IN THIS SAID ORDER. THE COURT ORDERS THE PROVISIONS OF PARENTING PLAN PART A PERTAINING TO CUSTODY. THE COURT ORDERS THE PROVISIONS OF PARENTING PLAN PART B PERTAINING TO SUPPORT. PETITIONER IS ORDERED TO PAY RESPONDENT THE SUM OF $1000.00 PER MONTH AS AND FOR MAINTENANCE. THE PARTIES HAVE ENTERED INTO A SEPARATION AGREEMENT MARKED AS EXHIBIT 1 WHICH IS FOUND TO BE NOT UNCONSCIONABLE WITH LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE REAL PROPERTY OR PROPERTIES DIVIDED. COURT COSTS ARE TO BE PAID FROM THE COURT COST DEPOSITS PREVIOUSLY POSTED. SO ORDERED: JUDGE RENEE HARDIN-TAMMONSConsent Judgment

snipped for focus. @Lovequestions Thanks for your post w judgment info.

In this first proceeding in 2019,* judge ordered husband to pay wife ($1000/ mo.) a lower amt. than judge in second case in 2023 ($15,000/mo.). Also Child Support of $4000/mo, for 5 children.
First case judge specified $ was for "maintenance" not as "Division of Property & Debt" the judge in second case ordered. Also ChSup of $3999/mo, for 7 children.

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* https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/case...mber=19SL-DR02153&inputVO.courtId=CT21#docket (2019)
** ^ https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/case...mber=22LW-DR00074&inputVO.courtId=CT39#docket (2023)

 

[neesaki]

I‘ve been reading around a little, and all I can say is this case may be a lot more complex than I thought! JMO

 

[bestill]

I think you will all find this interesting!

Wow, that was 2017. If his body had not been found I would be on the disappearance train steaming down the track!

 

[bestill]

My thought on the "love of his life" statement may have been to endear someone to the fiancé. I do wonder what she knows and how much she knows. JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

EXCLUSIVE: Brother of ER doctor found dead in Ozarks lake slams claims he was living in RV because he couldn't afford $19,000-a-month alimony for eight children - and says he kept pregnant fiancée a secret out of respect during his divorce​

snip

And so the RV was situated in the parking lot of the hospital where he would be on duty - he would go there just to rest, catch rest where he could, because he would sometimes work, you know, 9, 10, 12 hours in a row.

'And even during that those periods where he was not, theoretically on duty, he could be called in and so he had to get sleep break code, so he had that RV, but he also had other homes and buildings.'

Forsyth had seven kids with his wife and one more with a different mother. They range in ages from one year old to about 25, according to Richard.

His divorce was finalized last month and he was ordered to pay about $19,000 a month in alimony and child support, with many online commentators theorizing his death may be connected to the payments.

Brother of doctor found dead in Ozarks speaks out over alimony claims

The brother of a doctor who was found dead in the Ozarks has slammed suggestions that he had been living in an RV because he couldn't afford $19,000-a-month alimony for his eight children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'd read elsewhere that John has a young child with a different mother, plus the baby on the way with his fiance. Good to see all of his children are being acknowledged.

And yet this same brother stated weeks ago money was not a problem.

So what’s the real story?

Moo

 

[?!?]

I think you will all find this interesting!

See post #133 above....

 

[Charlot123]

Ct. Order: Pay... "Until Death of Husband" Any Family Law practitioners around?

Snipped for focus @nhmemorymaker Your underscored phrase--- "until death of husband" is a good point, if your point is --- seems like his former wife got "short-changed" in a manner of speaking because she may have received only one month's payment (or possibly none), because of that provision.

Court orders for a spouse 1 to --- make payments (however characterized) to spouse 2 until-spouse-2-remarries --- are not uncommon. Ditto, pay until further-order-of-court.
IDK about until-husband’s-death clause. Is it standard choice in Word template for prop. division order?
Did her atty argue against or object to the until-husband’s-death clause?

IOW HOW or WHY was that clause inserted in the Div/Prop & Debt order?
Calling any and all Family Law practitioners to weigh in. And others too.

I wonder if she held a life ins. policy on his life, to hedge against a verrry unlikely death at his age and general circumstance, a policy w that would pay $ comparable to the $ he was obligated to pay while alive.
Would the Dis/Mar. prompt a wife to buy a L. Ins policy? Would atty advise a soon-to-be former wife to buy such a policy?

Welcoming correction or clarification, esp’ly from our legal professionals.

NOT saying or even suggesting his former wife did anything nefarious. With Dr. F’s tragic death, regardless of its manner, seems she may have been “short-changed” financially due to circumstances beyond her control. She must be going thru a lot now.

And those children, left without their Father. Sad. Sad. Sad.

Imo.

The ex-wife, and I would like to extend human compassion to her, seems she has been through a lot and is going through a lot, emotionally… but logically, she and her kids stand to lose the most, financially, with Dr. F’s death. Not to say that, invested father or not, he had a lot of kids to raise, help to and be the role model for. That family is firmly crossed off my list.

Then there is a question of the will. After the divorce and with the financial agreement, alimony, child support, division of property, Dr. F is still not a poor man, unless he accidentally, maniacally, made a bad investment. (Can happen, btw, from what I can see him making out of his life - JMO - he might be of the kind to go through several bankruptcies and becoming rich again. He is just that kind of a personality, JMO.)

But he probably had a will. Suddenly this question, who was his money bequeathed to, becomes very interesting.

Also, life insurance, once or several. They make one go via medical exam with the purchase of new insurance. Anything of sorts done recently?

Lastly, I don’t quite dismiss the chance of the suicide. Only admitting suicide probably means loss of life insurance payments… or not? Or does it depend on how long ago was it purchased?

 

[Charlot123]

Wow, that was 2017. If his body had not been found I would be on the disappearance train steaming down the track!

Was it his body? Did they do DNA testing?

 

[neesaki]

I think you will all find this interesting!

Holy cow! Just like his father said, they made some enemies alright.

For this reason, Forsyth said that Alitin will only be giving out refunds for the next month, which is sure to anger any customers left out.
"We have a limited window of time in which we can do this, but we want to do our best," Forsyth said. "We're trying to defend our good name as well."