MO - Lindsay, 8, & Samuel Porter, 7, Independence, 6 June 2004

[mindi77]

It seems to me that the only thing that is really important now is finding the children. If the mother had custody of them...and she must have had...and the dad took them and refuses to return them or tell anyone where they are then he is the one that is in the wrong. If he didn't think that she was a good mother and he had proof of that he should have taken that to court. Instead we have two missing children who are either dead by their father's hand or living with who knows who. In my opinion this father isn't thinking of what is in the best interest of his children. It can't be in their best interest if he has dumped them on whoever just so the mother can't find them. Would he have gone so far as to murder them? The phone calls sound like they are still alive somewhere but he isn't going to tell because he has such a chip on his shoulder towards LE and the mother. He sounds so juvenile.

38 years is a long time to sit in prison. This man has to be somewhat mentally imbalanced if he would rather sit in prison then to tell where his kids are. That is just bizarre to me. At this stage of the game it doesn't matter who was doing what or if the mother has been portrayed as something that she isn't. The children are missing and dad took them so the spotlight is going to stay on him. If he was any kind of a man at all he would think of his children and what HE has put them through...and he would tell someone where they are.

I totally agree....I don't care at this point if she is horrible or lied or did this or that....there are 2 kids missing. Unless you know for a fact they are alive how could you stand by this man. He could have done it the right way.

 

[MagicRose99]

Regardless of what most people think, the police aren't really stupid. Don't you think they've interviewed people about BOTH parents? If what you claim is true, then the police are aware of her behavior... If, after finding these children she is proven to be unfit, they won't give them back to her.

To me, what this man did was atrocious. That woman did not deserve to have her children stolen from her, then told that they are dead, beaten, raped, stabbed, sold, or any of the other vile things he has said since his arrest.

There is NO sympathy from me for this monster... and if he had been a friend of mine or my husband, then he'd be a dead friend now...

Of course, We feel sorry for her. No one should have their children take. It's just She isn't real honest about things. Dan didn't beat her and She was just as much involed with drugs as he was. She doesn't bother to tell anyone that she lied to the police. Or the games, She played with the restraing order. Or the men in & out of the house. It just seems that things are not being presented fairly. No one believes that Dan should be condoned for what he did. Just that all sides are fairly presented

 

[TrulyBlessed]

I agree that the most important thing is for the children to be found and returned home. Little Evil, you wrote that the story given in the press is one sided, but isn't your view of things one sided as well? You wrote that you and your husband are friends of Dan. I think that it's safe to say that you have only his side of things. Only 2 people know what really went on in their marriage and that's them. If she were so unfit, then he should have taken his proof and went to court. To take the children and hide them is wrong. He didn't leave it at that. He has said that he has killed them, sold them, etc. What kind of loving father would do that? He is not just being petty, he is being vindictive. It just proves that his motive is to hurt their Mom. The children are suffering as well. Who knows what Dan has told his children. Now he's gone and they are with who knows who. If he really and truly cared about his children, he would tell the truth.

 

[little evil]

1.) The police didn't know everything or they wouldn't have shown up my door. I don't believe the kids are dead. Dan planned this for a long time before he did it. The kids came to him & said they were being hurt. He tried to do it the right way. When that didn't work, he took the kids. Do I think it was right, no. But as a parent, I can understand. Would any of us stand by & watch are children hurt? Yes, unfortunately, we know both sides of the story because we were stuck in it. Tina quite calling when I told the police about the drugs. Do I think Dan needs to say where the kids are? Yes. Do I understand why he won't yes.

 

[natasha-cupcake]

1.) The police didn't know everything or they wouldn't have shown up my door. I don't believe the kids are dead. Dan planned this for a long time before he did it. The kids came to him & said they were being hurt. He tried to do it the right way. When that didn't work, he took the kids. Do I think it was right, no. But as a parent, I can understand. Would any of us stand by & watch are children hurt? Yes, unfortunately, we know both sides of the story because we were stuck in it. Tina quite calling when I told the police about the drugs. Do I think Dan needs to say where the kids are? Yes. Do I understand why he won't yes.

Understand?! Are you kidding? I don't give a damn what the mother's history is, this man KIDNAPPED those children and probably MURDERED them. At best, he is inflicting horrendous psychological trauma on the children by separating them from, not only their mother, but from everything they know and love. At worst, he is a cold blooded murderer of innocents. There is nothing else to understand.

I find it chilling that you would attempt to justify the crimes he's committed.

 

[dottierainbow]

I totally agree. I wonder why your username is little evil.

Understand?! Are you kidding? I don't give a damn what the mother's history is, this man KIDNAPPED those children and probably MURDERED them. At best, he is inflicting horrendous psychological trauma on the children by separating them from, not only their mother, but from everything they know and love. At worst, he is a cold blooded murderer of innocents. There is nothing else to understand.

I find it chilling that you would attempt to justify the crimes he's committed.

 

[wondering22]

Independence authorities are still looking for eight-year-old Lindsay and seven-year-old Samuel Porter.
Searchers found clothing over the weekend packed by the children's mother. The clothing was found in Trenton, near the area deputies arrested their father Daniel Porter, Thursday.
He was supposed to take the kids back to his estranged wife, last Sunday but never did.
Porter told police his kids were in Oklahoma City, but would not say exactly where. http://www.kshb.com/kshb/home/article/0,1925,KSHB_9410_2955958,00.html

Kids clothing is located, but no kids.

And apparently LEOs believe that the children are still alive, right?

I'm wondering if LEOs checked all private schools where uniforms are required, and any secretive religious cults where specific forms of clothing are required to be worn by the members.

This is an absolutely appalling tragedy, and that so-called father should be absolutely ashamed of himself. How disgusting.

I hope the innocent youngsters will be found and that they recuperate from this horrible experience... simply yanked away from their own mother and no contact with their dad.

The man must be insane.

 

[little evil]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.

 

[little evil]

My user name is little evil because my grandson likes to call me that if you must know. I have never wished harm on a child. Those kids aren't going to be found by a bunch of whinning. It's going to take cool heads & insight into how he thinks. You believe that prayer is the answer, then let God be the judge. I'm simplely say the is more to this than at first glance. Not once have I said Dan was right. But if understanding how he thinks gets the kids back. Then it's all to the good.

 

[mindi77]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.

I don't see how you find it chilling that we would all assume they are dead, have you read some of the stories on this site? I would not say that the mother was brave if the same questions were out there. If this where the other way around and she had taken them and we didn't know if they were alive I would feel the exact same way. But I imagine you would be more concerned then. They said if he said where they children were he would get out, and I guess if he had to serve the time then that is his own fault. Like somone else said earlier that you have no clue to what really went on in their house when they were married and when they separated. And why didn't Dr.Phil's show bring up all this stuff....ie her messing with drugs.....

the women he had on the other day that had her kids taken by her husband was asked questions about her past, car accidents, mental illness. That could have been brought up then espically by his friend that was on there but I don't recall hearing that. Either way there are 2 kids missing...so if he did this for the sake of the children....and they are alive. how is he going to feel if when they become adults they return to there mother and hate him for what he did. While he has spent there childhood in prison. Also what if they are found safe and alive with no help from him then she gets them back and he still has to serve his time and she is as bad as you say and now he wouldn't be there to protect them. So I think if he truly did it for the right reasons then he should bargin for no time if he tells where they are and does everything the legal way..


I understand he is your friend but look at it as if it were your kids and your husband had done that because he felt you were horrible.

 

[natasha-cupcake]

I find it chilling that you would assume their dead. If a mother hid her children because they were being harmed everyone would say how brave she is, what a good mother. But a father does the same & he's a monster. Let's say Dan's right about what was going on. He brings them back & then what? He's got to do his time. The kids can't go with his family. So, They go into the system? That's better? It's an awful, awful, thing anyway you look at it.

Give me a break. DCF investigations are very easy to initiate. If these children were being harmed, Mr. Porter had plenty of legal avenues to pursue. This is clearly a smear campaign on the children's mother and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetrating it.

 

[little evil]

no, he hasn't been my friend. Tina & Dan were my husband's friends for over 15 years. I've known them for 7 years. The Dr. Phil Show was a joke. And I like Dr. Phil. The lady on the show could barely articulate anything. Dan and Tina move in a drug circle. Do you really believe that those kind of people are going to cought up any real info. My husband did because I told him the truth better be told or I would leave him. I would almost bet I was the only sober person around. If you've ever seen what meth can do, it's truly appalling. Yes, I know the reality of missing children. But if we don't have hope, than what's left? I f people spent more time trying to help the police, than wishing ill on the father, maybe they would home. God's got Dan covered. He'll take care of that in good time As far DSF, Miss thing couldn't have had an investigestion done on herself or she'd know that they are a bigger joke than Dr. Phil. And She should be ashamed running her mouth about what she doesn't know. Sounds like she's got issues with men. I'm not smearing anyone, I'm telling the truth. Who is she to try to say what I've seen & heared in my life. From her first post, she was overemtional. That's not going to get those kids home and running her mouth to me isn't going to change that

 

[natasha-cupcake]

no, he hasn't been my friend. Tina & Dan were my husband's friends for over 15 years. I've known them for 7 years. The Dr. Phil Show was a joke. And I like Dr. Phil. The lady on the show could barely articulate anything. Dan and Tina move in a drug circle. Do you really believe that those kind of people are going to cought up any real info. My husband did because I told him the truth better be told or I would leave him. I would almost bet I was the only sober person around. If you've ever seen what meth can do, it's truly appalling. Yes, I know the reality of missing children. But if we don't have hope, than what's left? I f people spent more time trying to help the police, than wishing ill on the father, maybe they would home. God's got Dan covered. He'll take care of that in good time As far DSF, Miss thing couldn't have had an investigestion done on herself or she'd know that they are a bigger joke than Dr. Phil. And She should be ashamed running her mouth about what she doesn't know. Sounds like she's got issues with men. I'm not smearing anyone, I'm telling the truth. Who is she to try to say what I've seen & heared in my life. From her first post, she was overemtional. That's not going to get those kids home and running her mouth to me isn't going to change that

My issues are with kidnappers and murderers, dear--not men in general.

 

[wondering22]

My issues are with kidnappers and murderers, dear--not men in general.

I'd not heard anything about meth use before; is this a rumor, or something already well known to the LEOs?

 

[natasha-cupcake]

I'd not heard anything about meth use before; is this a rumor, or something already well known to the LEOs?

I know nothing of this, Wondering22 (love that nickname, by the way!). Little Evil posted those allegations, not me.

 

[MagicRose99]

IMO, all this "new info" is to stir up trouble. Many accusations and suppositions this person has tossed out there with no proof to back up the claims. Give me proof of what you're saying... otherwise, why should I believe you?

The kids need to be brought home, one way or another... no excuse passes muster here...

 

[TrulyBlessed]

Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

 

[MagicRose99]

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Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

 

[blueclouds]

I have NO DOUBT these children are dead. Sadly and truely.

and WTF??? Dr. Phil doesn't do his homework? Someone has explaining to do.

 

[CW]

Maybe I'm wrong , but if there was first hand knowledge of drug use by the parents, why didn't someone report it? CPS can make someone's life hell. If they were really drug abusers, and so called "friends" were aware of the children being harmed, shouldn't they have stepped up? Why would someone sit back while one drug abusing parent took the kids from another drug abusing parent and "understand" what that parent did? Does the friendship make him the lesser of 2 evils? I am a mother of 2 children and I work in child care. I am required by law to report any signs of abuse and I have no problem doing so. If I were neglectful in any way with my children, I have 5 people who are close to me, including my Mom, who would turn me in without blinking an eye. I hate to hear people say negative things about a parent's treatment of a child, yet have not made an effort to prevent it. If both parents are neglectful, then neither one should have the children. If the Mom was at fault, he should have gone to court to prove it.Now Dan is being a martyr by sitting in jail rather then telling anyone where his children are? Please! If he really was concerned with the welfare of his children and not so busy trying to stick it to their Mom, he would have done things the right way...or did the meth fry his brain?

And yes, if it were a woman who ran I would be saying the same thing. IF there is physical or sexual abuse involved, and you have exhausted all avenues available to you, then by all means run. The most important thing is the safety and welfare of the children. To take the children as one upmanship is wrong. Now the kids are who knows where, without their Mom or Dad, and who knows what they are going through or how they feel?

You are 110% correct....