MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[JerricaBenton]

Fair enough. How did you know how much medication to give them when they were months old?

By the dosage on the bottle. Babies here do get weighed now & again, if there are concerns about weight issues.

 

[Gardenlady]

Of course he was questioned, he was allegedly at the home earlier, I'd be more upset of LE didn't question him thoroughly, to be sure that he can be ruled in or out.

We don't really know if they took DNA from anyone else. Who else would they be getting DNA from, who else was reportedly at the house earlier other than family?

I don't know. I'd guess grandparents, visitors to the home, etc. But since we can only go by what is reported in MSM here, and this teen is the only person mentioned to have had a DNA sample taken, and the only person mentioned to have been questioned besides parents, that, to me, makes it of significance. If MSM mentions someone else, I'll find that significant too.

 

[alwayslooking]

Nothing to support it except that he is the only person involved in the case to have been mentioned as having a DNA sample taken, or even questioned (besides the parents).

I'm not really scared of teens, males, or male teens, either, seeing as how I have a house full of males, a teen male son, and lots of teen males hanging around my house pretty much every weekend with my son. :twocents:

I have also raised two sons, maybe from being in LE or from my background of being a victim of childmolestation, my son's were never allowed to babysit! They are grown men and will not watch each others small children, they do not change diaper's on any kids but their own! Not because we ever thought they would hurt any child, but so noone could ever accuse them of anything! They could not be in this postion!

 

[yllek]

Something posted yesterday stuck in my head overnight and I woke up thinking about it. They said that Lisa was frequently seen sitting out front with the baby and would wave to neighbors.

Now if this is true, and someone reported seeing the baby one block over at 2:30 a.m. with a man going into a house, I would not be surprised if someone has been watching for an opportunity.

Given the news in another case, about Steve Powell spying on his neighbors with a telephoto camera, I would be asking, which houses on the street one block over have a clear view of this house, so that they can see when the lights get dimmer or brighter, or even when a car leaves the property? Were there any men who were regular joggers or dog walkers in the neighborhood, such that the family dogs would "know" them and not bark?

I agree. This is why it doesn't concern me that the parents were able to make a list of 9 - 12 people for LE. According to our verified local, the family was out in the yard a lot. This is a neighborhood with kids, teens, dogs - could be some people going by the house and casually observing or interacting with the family regularly. Anyone that stopped and talked about the kids, the house, or took a special interest, should be on the list imo. If it were me, I'd err on the side of caution and include anyone like that and risk hurting someone's feelings, rather than omit them and risk having been deceived by their friendliness when my child is missing.

 

[tlcya]

Per Capt Young in the video in response to whether parents have a lawyer

You would need to ask them I don't know that

and regarding whether communication has been by phone or face to face.

We are all at the table they are sitting down talking with us.

In regards to cel phones and whether any have been recovered

not that I am aware of

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

 

[IAM]

Ok, I am new here and this is just a collection of my thoughts. I hope I am not out of line with them. First I wam curious if baby Lisa slept with her Barney and her glow worm, why does DB have the Barney with her in each interview and why is the glow worm in the basket of toys I saw in the picture of Lisa's room? Shouldn't the investigators have them to test for any clues?
And now for some thoughts on this case:
I think everything falls more easily in place if you don't rule the father out as knowing/being a party to or perhaps doing something alone.
This would answer alot of questions about the lights being on, dog not barking,how baby Lisa could have been taken away in the early morning hours.
I just can't get over his demeanor. He shows no emotion. He stares down or through whoever he is talking to. He looks at his wife/gf in a very odd way
when she is breaking down sobbing. He doesn't console her at all. I have thought that this could perhaps be a sign of mistrust in her or maybe the LE
has told him something they know like they did with Kyron's dad, but why no emotion? I have a hard time saying the mother is faking her tears. She
would be the best actress ever, because her anguish truly shows. But, could this be anguish over an accident that she cannot reverse and fear of loosing
her other children and her life as she knows. I would like to know if Lisa's mom had a car at her disposal. I would also like to know if the father chose to work
that night and if this was a permanent shift or a one time thing. The baby being put to bed in shorts would not bother me except that the mother said she changed
her diaper and gave her a bottle and put her in clean clothes. Now I can see where you might not want to wake a sleeping baby to put her in PJ's, but if she changed
her and feed her, she was awake. Why not put her pajamas on? Also, why sleep with a 6 year old and a kitten when you have a sick baby that needs you more. Why put her
in bed fully dressed and behind closed doors? And the phones all being in same place and all gone with the baby is just too much for me to swallow. Just my thoughts. I hope
they find baby Lisa safe and sound.

 

[4BB]

<modsnip>We are all brainstorming here.

no one has been named with names, not the adults on the lists made by the parents, not the teenager who may or may nor even be a minor.

I believe, if I felt that police were devoting too much effort in trying to wrongly accuse me of a crime, and they weren't devoting enough effort in finding my daughter otherwise...I would certainly remove myself from that equation. Im not answering your questions as I have nothing else to tell, no go look somewhere else please and HURRY.

 

[annalia]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 October 2011 #8


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO MO - Amber Alert: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 October 2011 #8

Aren't those posts confirming that that is the house, not that the boy sitting on the step is the boy in question? :waitasec:

 

[Cher352]

I remember there being a video posted that showed the same group as in the photo. The threads are moving so fast I probably couldn't find it, but if it's from the same time which it looked like it was, the video didn't show that it was confontational or heated, a few of them were laughing in it and seemed relaxed.

Here is a video showing close-ups not sure if that is the one you are talking about, starts at about the 2:15 mark.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-steve-young-kcpd-lisa-irwin-update-20111008,0,6871031.story

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

The fact that the missing flyer says she weighs 30 lbs is a bit disturbing to me. IMO, there is no way that baby girl weighs 30 pounds. JMHO of course.

That is what the NCMEC has on their poster. Not too mention they have it wrong. They have she was last seen at 4am and that she had purple PANTS on. (sigh)

 

[Kimster]

Hello IAM! Welcome to Websleuths! And thank you for your thoughts on this case!

:welcome: :wagon:

 

[Just K]

Ah okay. I missed that. Wow. Poor kid if he has nothing to do with what happened to Lisa.

The local/WS member was very careful not to say that the person on the steps is the teen in question. The member only verified that the house in the picture had been of some unmentioned type of interest to the WS member. The member also stated the location and proximity of that house but was very careful about mentioning specific people at the house. Only said it was not abandoned and that there were "issues" at that house.

 

[dovebar]

I agree that I find the father more disturbing in his behavior than the mother, for all the reasons listed above. Maybe it's his personality, maybe he doesn't know what to do or doesn't believe her. But in all photos and interviews, I've found her more convincing than him.

 

[momtective]

Aren't those posts confirming that that is the house, not that the boy sitting on the step is the boy in question? :waitasec:

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[Shelby1]

Aren't those posts confirming that that is the house, not that the boy sitting on the step is the boy in question? :waitasec:

I thought that was the question? The local verified that's the house that the teen in question lives.

 

[tlcya]

Welcome Iam Good first post. Thanks for joining us. Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts.

 

[keeponsearching]

Has it been mention if they used baby monitors?

 

[Chris_Texas]

Nothing to support it except that he is the only person involved in the case to have been mentioned as having a DNA sample taken, or even questioned (besides the parents).

I'm not really scared of teens, males, or male teens, either, seeing as how I have a house full of males, a teen male son, and lots of teen males hanging around my house pretty much every weekend with my son. :twocents:

If I understand the information we have available everyone the parents listed as possible suspects have been questioned and theoretically cleared (for now, obviously). We know this kid had DNA drawn, but this doesn't mean anything in terms of guilt or even suspicion of guilt -- the crime scene guys would want his DNA to help them identify samples. They likely secured DNA from everyone who has visited the home and was willing to provide a sample. Right now they are looking for DNA that they cannot identify.

Consider what we (think we) know. Do you really believe this kid walked in the unlocked front door of the home (how did he know it was unlocked?), turned on the lights (because why would he want to be sneaky right?), grabbed a few cellphones and maybe make a call on one (probably updating his twitter account: "lulz breaking into the neighbors house now lulz!"), maybe paused to grab some milk (the jerk probably drank it straight from the bottle!), then for no particular reason he decides to kidnap and murder a kid (if the teen did it the infant is dead, right?). Does this scenario make even the slightest bit of sense?

To me it does not. To me it sounds ridiculous. Your mileage may vary.

 

[SyraKelly]

Good Morning Peeps..I am hoping for a good day and Lisa comes home!
I have been thinking about the father and what he thought and saw when he got home that night.
you all know,being women-we are very emotional,esp-when it comes to our children..now I don't know if the mother had anything to do with this..but I am going to put this out there.IF and that is a big IF the mother did something to Lisa whether it was accidentally or on purpose-she would be hysterical and crying for probably hrs-her eyes would probably be red and swollen from all the crying and her mind would be racing..men can tell when women have been crying..my question is this-Did the father notice his wife's face when he came in and said Lisa is missing. Some of the pics we have seen of them together show they are close to one other,but some show him not real emotional towards her..I don't how to post real well what I am trying to say..but does anyone understand what I am trying to say?

 

[Ginny]

Fair enough. How did you know how much medication to give them when they were months old? In my experience, here in the US, many parents track their child's development by height and weight when they are under a year. But as you point out, it does not necessarily mean everyone does. It probably is just a result of trying to get a missing poster out ASAP. Thanks JB.

Hi everyone! I haven't posted anything since the Casey Anthony case was new. Since then, I've been blessed with two beautiful daughters. My pediatrician gives dosage charts that is based on the child's weight.